Live updates: Big Ten wrestling preseeds release on BTN

Cali_Nittany1

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So for all of the bitching by people, only 9 positions were flipped, and only 3 in the top 3 seeds

Seems like the algorithm wasn't that bad, and adding a true H2H would have fixed most of the issues (as well as not double counting a few of the criteria) . We'll see what they do next year

Or was the intent to get everyone talking and excited about this, as it has been in the wrestling news since released. If it came out like this, there would have been only 15 minutes of discussion about the seeds.

As @Coastal2 cited, the 15 point limit prohibited other changes that should have been made. For example Ferrari at 8 and Cannon at 7 are ridiculous. (Edit: Imho, both should've been 6 seeds to not unnecessarily punish the 1/2 seeds.) Yes, the algorithm is that bad and needs serious updating if they want to continue to use it next sesson.
 
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NoSoup4U

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Cael should figure out wrestling a tougher OOC schedule, and attend national duals is how the big boy coaches handle things. No need to reseed.
Manning should figure out how to win an actual dual against an actual opponent. {did you win nationals?} nobody remembers 2nd place much less 4th .... yikes

maybe he should also stand up for some law an order and not roster indicted felons?

maybe it just all a misunderstanding?
 

HugoHugo

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Corby was not stating a fact, it was a possibility.
Uh Huh Yes GIF
 

Rmg975

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As @Coastal2 cited, the 15 point limit prohibited other changes that should have been made. For example Ferrari at 8 and Cannon at 7 are ridiculous. (Edit: Imho, both should've been 6 seeds to not unnecessarily punish the 1/2 seeds.) Yes, the algorithm is that bad and needs serious updating if they want to continue to use it next sesson.
Also, I think Willie and Basch as well as FRL mentioned the "within 15 points" is really small when the point totals being discussed were in the hundreds.
 
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Wrestleknownothing

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Also, I think Willie and Basch as well as FRL mentioned the "within 15 points" is really small when the point totals being discussed were in the hundreds.
Without seeing the actual numbers it is impossible to say, but I wonder if that is true. Yes, 15 is a much smaller percentage of 1300 than 100, but there is also an offset impact in the 1300 that does not exist in the 100. For example, on the 100 point scale it looks like Levi Haines was much more than 15 points behind Chris Minto, but once you bring in the other 12 wrestler comparisons the gap closed to a rumored 12 points.
 

STL_Lion

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Actually it seems pretty good for a first time use of a non QA/QC result (I'm assuming this wasn't checked before it was released). Hope that the changes discussed will be implemented for next year, and that will fix everything except for the exceptions (very good wrestlers that are injured and miss much of the season).
Your comment that this wasn't checked before it was released is key.
It was a big mistake not to run the program against the final seeding for the last 3 or 4 years. This would have identified logic errors (or weak/missing points in the algorithm) and would have identified a need for weighted H2H.
I also agree with a previous poster who said there should be scoring penalty for wrestlers/teams that obviously ducked...as Kennedy ducked Levi.
 

Kingslayer

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As @Coastal2 cited, the 15 point limit prohibited other changes that should have been made. For example Ferrari at 8 and Cannon at 7 are ridiculous. (Edit: Imho, both should've been 6 seeds to not unnecessarily punish the 1/2 seeds.) Yes, the algorithm is that bad and needs serious updating if they want to continue to use it next sesson.
Yep , and ours guys get punished for this mess.
 
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Dogwelder

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You realize by dropping from 1/2 to 7/8 that they have to wrestle a match prior to meeting a fresh Duke/Rocco, right?!?!
Actually, the first round of the day is a great round for a 1-seed to get upset. I wonder if there are statistics on this: do more 1-seeds get upset in their first round or their second round? We would think second, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were first, or at least if there are more first-round upsets than “expected”, in some sense.
 
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We should see changes after the Coaches meeting this afternoon. Really Cael is the 1 Who should be Speaking Up Since we are the Host. Hopefully people are getting the Word to Him. Will see around 4:00 or 5:00.
Being the host carries absolutely no more weight than anyone else.
 
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Wrestleknownothing

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It is. I don’t have numbers, but memory says rarely were any preseeds and final seeds different.
Same here. Never tracked it before, but it seems like 1 or no changes was the norm.

Another way to think of it is with 9 changes involving 18 wrestlers that is 13% of the field moving around in spite of rules limiting the amount of movement.
 

Hotshoe

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We should see changes after the Coaches meeting this afternoon. Really Cael is the 1 Who should be Speaking Up Since we are the Host. Hopefully people are getting the Word to Him. Will see around 4:00 or 5:00.
Just stop the nonsense. Cael will voice his opinion. The site location not only has no influence, nor should it ever.
 
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The problem with raised platforms is that there are no Blaise Alexander signs for our wrestlers to throw opponents through. 🧐
The best aspect of raised platforms is that you can hear the bodies of PSU victims when they are slammed to the mat. My wife watches with more interest when there are raised platforms. We have powerful bass speakers to enhance the experience.
 

a_mshaffer

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would have been fine by me for Marcus to have the 2nd seed... tougher road imo at #1. Also - PJ.... doesn't get a break!
 

PSUer89

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Except it is not just an opinion.
In you OPINION , wrestlers should skip world championships to wrestle in a November tournament, with many teams they already meet in the regular season. PSU also wrestled the top teams in the toughest conference. The reason their schedule isn’t stronger is because they can’t wrestle themselves.
 

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Without seeing the actual numbers it is impossible to say, but I wonder if that is true. Yes, 15 is a much smaller percentage of 1300 than 100, but there is also an offset impact in the 1300 that does not exist in the 100. For example, on the 100 point scale it looks like Levi Haines was much more than 15 points behind Chris Minto, but once you bring in the other 12 wrestler comparisons the gap closed to a rumored 12 points.

Not sure how but this post just all messed up here is my REPLY

I agree the 15 # was way to small. At NCAA we hear 2-4 points so that # at 1300 is 26-52 so they definitely blew that. Cannon and Feldman were within that range to challenge but not within 15
 
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Corby2

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If it had happened he would have insinuated his inside knowledge, again.
No I wouldn't have . That was a guess and when I posted 3/4 not bad I already knew the changes and did I say yep I know what happened? No I didn't I have a great idea put me on ignore
 

Scam likely

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So for all of the bitching by people, only 9 positions were flipped, and only 3 in the top 3 seeds

Seems like the algorithm wasn't that bad, and adding a true H2H would have fixed most of the issues (as well as not double counting a few of the criteria) . We'll see what they do next year

Or was the intent to get everyone talking and excited about this, as it has been in the wrestling news since released. If it came out like this, there would have been only 15 minutes of discussion about the seeds.
Pj's Duke begs to differ he has to beat the 3 best wrestlers to win it.
 
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