B1G Tournament Info & Discussion

Kiddagger311

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Think we got a lot of favorable first round matchups… it’s not crazy that RU wins 9/10 first round matchups… I think the toughest match will be Davis(7) v Olivieri(10)
 

Wrestleknownothing

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I have questions:

H2H (vs. the field) is what is known as an oxymoron.

  • It is either H2H (involving two parties confronting each other)
  • Or, it is vs. the field (versus all other competitors).

It looks like it is not a "head to head" measure, but a "vs. the field" measure as several have pointed out.

Then the question becomes what was the intent of the people who outsourced this to wrestlestat? Did they intend this to be a "head to head" measure? Or did they intend this to be a "vs. the field" measure?

Given that there are other measures that encapsulate a "vs. the field" measure (common opponent, dual record) it seems they meant this as a true "head to head" measure. If that is the case, why was it not implemented that way?

It feels like a requirement was poorly communicated, then it was poorly executed, then it was poorly QAed, or not QAed at all.
 

Corby2

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I have questions:

H2H (vs. the field) is what is known as an oxymoron.

  • It is either H2H (involving two parties confronting each other)
  • Or, it is vs. the field (versus all other competitors).

It looks like it is not a "head to head" measure, but a "vs. the field" measure as several have pointed out.

Then the question becomes what was the intent of the people who outsourced this to wrestlestat? Did they intend this to be a "head to head" measure? Or did they intend this to be a "vs. the field" measure?

Given that there are other measures that encapsulate a "vs. the field" measure (common opponent, dual record) it seems they meant this as a true "head to head" measure. If that is the case, why was it not implemented that way?

It feels like a requirement was poorly communicated, then it was poorly executed, then it was poorly QAed, or not QAed at all.
I think they may have took everyone and done a head to head and added all the totals for each guy together cause some guys are in the 800s
 

Wrestleknownothing

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I think they may have took everyone and done a head to head and added all the totals for each guy together cause some guys are in the 800s
I do not understand what that means. Can you give me an example? Or point me to where I can see the totals?
 

Corby2

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I do not understand what that means. Can you give me an example? Or point me to where I can see the totals?
I can't give you the totals they're not public. But I know some of them . And the #s are low 800s for some. 14 teams . 13 match ups 62 points per average gets you to 800s. That's the only way to get to a # that high
 

Wrestleknownothing

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I can't give you the totals they're not public. But I know some of them . And the #s are low 800s for some. 14 teams . 13 match ups 62 points per average gets you to 800s. That's the only way to get to a # that high
When you say low 800's what number is that referring to?
Same for 62 points, what is that referring to?
 

Corby2

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When you say low 800's what number is that referring to?
Same for 62 points, what is that referring to?
I know minto is 829 and Levi 818. The only way to achieve #s that high would be to have everyone match up with everyone and take those scores and add them up. 62 would represent the average one would need to score of the 100 in each match up to achieve a score in the 800s
 

Kiddagger311

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Like the new seeding system.. reward the wrestlers competing during the season and this will have dual meets matter a little bit, in regards to the seeding.

The algorithm isn’t perfect but I like how, if it’s within 15 pts, the coaches can finalized the blatant errors… such as Minto getting #1 over Haines.
 
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Bobbynieds

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I think B10 should seed the wresters who qualified for a NCAA slot first....the wrestlers who did not have a qualifying spot will get seeded after the qualifying wrestlers.


If B10 has 10 auto bids for 125, Iowa's Dean Peterson (who did not qualify a berth for the B10) highest seed he could be is 11th.
Give MORE weight to wrestling 15 matches a year.

Does that make sense?
 

Wrestleknownothing

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This formula:


That isn't a complete formula. It is a list of things lacking detail. See my post above about the contradiction in terms that is H2H (vs. The field). Head-to-head is a one-to-one measure. Vs. The field is a one-to-many measure.

No one can say for sure, but anecdotal evidence is they used a one-to-many measure which means there is no head-to-head component. This is how you can have multiple situations where the wrestler who won the head-to-head matchup is below the one who lost.

So there are three, overlapping one-to-many measures, this one, conference record, and common opponent record, but no head-to-head measure. Seems a mistake or a miscommunication.
 

Barrellroll

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I’m sure some of the seeds will change. On balance, I really like our seeds and would be fine if no changes.
 

Kiddagger311

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I’m sure some of the seeds will change. On balance, I really like our seeds and would be fine if no changes.
Agreed, loving our seeds, every first round match is winnable. Idk how White got #4 but won’t complain about that lol.

The clear ones they need to change is to flip flop Haines and Minto and Blaze and Caliendo. Otherwise, don’t mind the algorithm giving wrestlers that missed matches such as, Peterson, Joey O, Angelo,Kueter lowered seeds. Did Bailey not miss many matches tho.. not sure how he got #4 when comparing to others that missed matches. Just want it to be consistent.
 

Leonard23

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@obrats any details you can share on the formula, etc.? Not sure he made it over with the site switch, but maybe someone that knows him can reach out to have him post. Thanks
 

NJwrestling26

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@obrats any details you can share on the formula, etc.? Not sure he made it over with the site switch, but maybe someone that knows him can reach out to have him post. Thanks
This is straight from the big ten network graphic they showed

Head to Head vs the field -25 Points
Common Opponents Record -25 points
Conference Dual Record- 20 points
Quality Matches- 10 points
RPI (NCAA) -10 points
coaches ranking-5 points
conference allocation-5 points

then whoever ends up with the most points gets the highest seed and if your wrestler finishes within 15 points of someone ahead of them the coaches can challenge and argue things like head to head wins . I saw an interview that Cael did and they are going to scrap or greatly alter this seeding system next year
 

Leonard23

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This is straight from the big ten network graphic they showed

Head to Head vs the field -25 Points
Common Opponents Record -25 points
Conference Dual Record- 20 points
Quality Matches- 10 points
RPI (NCAA) -10 points
coaches ranking-5 points
conference allocation-5 points

then whoever ends up with the most points gets the highest seed and if your wrestler finishes within 15 points of someone ahead of them the coaches can challenge and argue things like head to head wins . I saw an interview that Cael did and they are going to scrap or greatly alter this seeding system next year
Yes, I posted that. Now can you show us how it's calculated to get 800 or so points, as corby mentioned?
 

Corby2

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Yes, I posted that. Now can you show us how it's calculated to get 800 or so points, as corby mentioned?
They took all the guys and did a round robin and then took those totals and added them up is all I can think of . Each guy would be compared against the 13 others.
 

LETSGORU91

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From the best guy on the team to the only one that didn’t earn a qualifying spot is pretty wild.. hope Shawver can end his sr year on a positive note.
I was going to post that a few days ago. That's crazy. I'm hoping Dylan can harness his 2024 inner beast. I'd like to see the return of aggressive Dylan on his feet, getting his single leg duck unders and fireman's carries to push the pace.
 

Leonard23

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I was going to post that a few days ago. That's crazy. I'm hoping Dylan can harness his 2024 inner beast. I'd like to see the return of aggressive Dylan on his feet, getting his single leg duck unders and fireman's carries to push the pace.
I can see him placing top 8 and qualifying if he's more aggressive and offensive on his feet. Would he get a wild card if he places 9th?
 

mandfense

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I believe Smith (6 to 5), White (4 to 5) and Pinto (10 to 11) were the only ones who changed from pre-seeds.