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Just a thought. Since there doesn't seem to be a brain trust available (other than Roar) who can be trusted and is available to seed the Big10 wrestling tournament with some sort of objective integrity why not make the Big10 schedule a complete round robin and seed them based on records with a criteria to break ties.
In reality, much of this mess was caused by the coaches that allow the ducking in the first place.
Because that would eat far too many of the max allowable 16 competition dates for every team.
That in turn would suppress NCAA seeds for B10 qualifiers, since Quality Wins (and possibly RPI) would be low relative to the field.
I like that wrestlers who ducked are penalized harshly, but not the guys (like Levi) who were the recipients of the duckers.
Seeding is easier to fix than the ducking.
Making duals great comes at a cost.
Some of these coaches want to be supremely paid club coaches and just be teachers of wrestling. They aren’t maximizing their abilities/resources to be ambassadors for their program or the sport.
Overtime and loooong timeouts when a wrestling match is following it on BTN.
It has been suggested that it is the math. The math was fine. The formula which is used to let the math be the math is; absolutely, completely and moronically designed.
The formula is no doubtedly designed in a manner someone believed was darn near genius, but is really just silly stuff with overthought. The two most important measurables should have been conference W-L record and conference competitions. If a kid competed in every competition and has the best record, there doesn't need to be any additional measurements. He is first seed.
If there is a tie in records, HTH should be the tie breaker.
Don't want a true round Robin, fine. Rank the wrestlers based on conference records. If you miss a match, for seeding purposes it is a loss. Everybody then gets ranked on a 8 match record. Ties are broken based on HTH, add criteria steps below HTH for breaking ties.
The Kyle Snyder concern about blowing up a bracket is more an exception than the rule. Make it simple and straightforward. This has proven ridiculous.
I was thinking similarly this morning. Break the Big 10 portion of the criteria into three parts; H2H, conference dual win percentage, number of wins in conference duals (to penalize ducking). This component should be 70-80% of the total. Rest comprises overall competition; coaches rank, RPI, number of quality wins, and maybe conference allocation. I’ll let someone more knowledgeable assign the weighting
I think at the coaches meeting Cael should volunteer all PSU guys be seeded 14th, in order to score the most points at the B10 tournament ever. The finals would take place around noon on Saturday and fans could head home early if they wanted too as well as ruining the whole 2 days for the B10. Karma for this seeding mess baby!
My wife actually went to a different floor in our house when I was watching the preseeds because she couldn't stand to listen to him, LOL. His schtick reminds me of that MMA commentator/interviewer that calls himself "The Schmo."
Agree, but the seeding "punishment" should not unduly penalize the top seeded guys in the bracket. That's the dumbest aspect of seeding Cannon at #7 and Ferrari at #8. Same logic applies for seeding Starocci at #9 in the 2024 NCAA tourney. As stated by another poster, put the "punished" guys at the #6 seed to at least reduce impact to the top seeds, algorithm be damned.
ExactlyI was thinking similarly this morning. Break the Big 10 portion of the criteria into three parts; H2H, conference dual win percentage, number of wins in conference duals (to penalize ducking). This component should be 70-80% of the total. Rest comprises overall competition; coaches rank, RPI, number of quality wins, and maybe conference allocation. I’ll let someone more knowledgeable assign the weighting
The goal of the big ten is to get their best wrestlers to nationals with the best seeds. Also this should be graded on life time accomplishment and present year both in the mix.
Those are the ones I’m thinking of. The others aren’t material to the consy. 6 and 11 would be the best placements and I agree. Ferrari isn’t dropping that far but cannon should go to the 6.
Yep I read elsewhere that Haines was within 11 of Minto. 829 to 818. Nobody else said that
. Cael said he hadn't seen them yet and I knew 
So, this is all left to the coaches to sort out the night before the 2nd biggest tournament of the year when they’ve got nothing better to do. That suggests to me that not much if anything is likely to get fixed.Just wondering how Friday coaches meeting works.?
I assume that each team probably gets a few challenges regarding wrestler placement of their own wrestlers. Do they start at a specific weight and if coaches have issues ,they present points of issue. After listening a neutral coach(es)adjust.??
Above is just a guess by me. I would think the decision should be done by a 3rd party (Willie) but I don't think that is the situation.
Maybe that’s what Cael was alluding to yesterday when he said something like, “I don’t know if there’s even time for the coaches to fix the seeding.”
What is the B12 seeding process, that gave Isaac Dean the 7 seed for going 5-1 in conference duals and 7-2 conference overall?
The problem with most of these ranking systems is that you often double or triple up on a single criteria. You really have to be careful when using multiple algorithms.
It is like going to the combine and giving Randy Moss double credit for his 40 time. You already knew coming to the combine that he was fast and guys couldn't cover him. So why give him more points for a good 40 time.
It is like going to the combine and giving Randy Moss double credit for his 40 time. You already knew coming to the combine that he was fast and guys couldn't cover him. So why give him more points for a good 40 time.
Many (me, too) think it’s common sense to have Levi as 1. Others see it just as obvious and fair to have Byrd, a no-duck returning champ as 1. At times, maybe the “sense” is only common to the group sharing the view? And maybe seeding will never be perfect when trying to punish an Angelo or Cannon for lighter conference activity without disrupting the activity’s ultimate goal: The fairest path through a tournament for wrestlers of all skill levels.
Starting block drama aside, the second-best tournament of the year is upon us, this one in the Lion’s den!
Starting block drama aside, the second-best tournament of the year is upon us, this one in the Lion’s den!
Problem with lifetime achievements is figs at Oklahoma state this year and last year as well.
SIAP, I haven’t read the entire thread.
I’m attending the Sunday session with my son. I was really hoping to see a Duke v Cannon final. By having them square off in the quarters, they’re diminishing the drama in the finals. Sigh
I’m attending the Sunday session with my son. I was really hoping to see a Duke v Cannon final. By having them square off in the quarters, they’re diminishing the drama in the finals. Sigh
Could you share where you read this? We're all interested in seeing the numbers.Yep I read elsewhere that Haines was within 11 of Minto. 829 to 818. Nobody else said that
He was saying I read things elsewhere and claim them as my own . And I was stating what I knew that wasn't written anywhere prior to me saying it. No big deal just another
whos trying to make friends on the board by poking fun at me. And the #s are not publicHave you seen the actual numbers or not? If so please share. Public or not, if you've got them, let's see them.He was saying I read things elsewhere and claim them as my own . And I was stating what I knew that wasn't written anywhere prior to me saying it. No big deal just another
That is just a theoretical example. Past ncaa champ, can't even make the lineup.
How would I know minto is 829 and Levi 818. I'm not gonna share them sorry. Its how you guarantee yourself never seeing anything again
. Imagine by now others have seen them and can share if they choose. I try to provide as much information as I can.You don’t think it is possible she used that as an excuse to get a break from being around you.
If you know so much can you help out with some financial advice /stock tips or is this top level insight and knowledge you have only on useless stuff.Yep I read elsewhere that Haines was within 11 of Minto. 829 to 818. Nobody else said that
Just an FYI... I don't poke fun at anyone to make friends, I just have issues that will not be solved on bulletin boards.He was saying I read things elsewhere and claim them as my own . And I was stating what I knew that wasn't written anywhere prior to me saying it. No big deal just another
My opinion is wrestling information on a wrestling forum isn't useless
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