i get it and have some sympathy for the principle that if you're the king, you have to be dethroned. and if you're a really strong king, you shouldn't get penalized for keeping the peace if the challengers don't show up. But what makes this a harder case is that the "pretender" to the throne (sorry, but i gotta keep the metaphor going) has a pretty darned good track record in his own country too.
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Well I know some guys were in the 800s and that's the only way I could think of how they got that high. 13 match ups average 62. And you can challenge within 15 points.
Cael said they haven't seen the points my guess is someone had just not him. Levi is within 11 of Minto
The Princeton kid Martino, the week before PS and Rutgers, pinned #8 CJ Composto.
Martino got Ivy League wrestler of the week, I understand Ivy League.
The next week I watched Martino wrestle Scooter and Olivieri. I then made one post that said Olivieri is tough, I stand by that, don’t care what he is ranked, based on what I saw.
Blaze should
Not be number 1. Don’t understand how everyone was fired up about that but then Levi revealed at number 2 the sky is falling. Both seeds are wrong.
That’s where the common sense comes in. Returning undefeated champs should have some consideration. He can only wrestle the person across the circle from him and he just keeps winning. Let Blaze knock the champ out of #1 when the time comes. #1 stays #1 until they aren’t via a loss.
No, it shouldn't. The seeds are for this year only. Blaze has had a better year than Byrd and deserves the better seed.
You are forgetting the part where Levi beat him ... There is no hth w/ Blaze .. that's huge
That may be the worst BigTen seeds for Iowa since pre Gable.
I disagree. Previous year should be part of the seeding. It helps the guy that is getting dodged or missed sometime early in season with injury.
Byrd should have been the 1 seed.
WHY can’t they publish the points?? To everyone? They have the computer output, they should publish the points and how many points each wrestler earned in each category, for example HTH. They have all the numbers, why not put them out there? Be transparent.
That is blue and white glasses. If you are in lynch camp you are outraged as we are about Levi.
the coaches all got together and agreed on a formula. No where in the formula does it give points for last year’s results. They agreed previous year has no influence, so Illinois has no argument for Byrd, none at all.
Im all in on last year not counting except when an undefeated champ is involved. That’s the only time. Only.
Previous year is embedded within coaches rank. Anything more than that punishes freshmen and guys who shirted or were injured last year.
And why do we try to help guys who missed time with injury early in the season? Especially in B10 seeding, where very few conference matches occur before January.
"Scores in the 800s" means that B10 did not follow the NCAA seeding process of conducting a round robin of simulated matches, using the criteria to score each sim match.
I suspect some of these issues would be corrected by following that process.
Can't be too hard to implement -- NCAA has been doing this for many years, and for 33 per weight.
There’s a huge difference between the situation concerning Byrd and Levi
Well, the #4 seed is Montanona who Levi teched in February, so who are the other guys in the top half of 174 that scare you?
Let me explain my post. My comment was not about the dynamics of what was done this year by the guidelines in place. It was about what should have been considered when setting up the system. The previous year should be used in some manner in the equation. The Byrd seeding confirms my view. A undefeated returning National Champ who wrestled a most of thr season should not be seeded below a true freshman.
A footnote;
I personally think that Blaze beats Byrd.
I think the previous year should be more part of the formula than the coaches rank dirivative. I look at the freshman and shirts as being an unknown commodity when competing for the first time in the Bigs and NCAAs. The vet has proven himself in that setting.
Just my thought.
I am sure every team has at least 1 gripe. Purdue has undefeated Blaze below caliendo.
Heck ya. so pumped to see a rematch with Brock hardy
I see PIAA seeding and want no part of the "prestige points" mess. Understood that college would never scale that up to 50%. Still, last year is irrelevant. Using non-conference results would be more applicable.
Next year should everybody except Kasak get credit for this year because he shirted?
The freshmen will have had a year of demonstrated performance. By March they're not a mystery.
That said, I have no issue with the coaches using their discretion to bump Byrd to the 1.
Disagree. When zero weight is given for a specific factor, then it gets zero weight.
All other factors are given various weights, and we don’t know how they will add up ahead of time. This is where the give and take occurs.
I get it, and I'd probably be pissed if it was the other way around, but I still say no. Or come out and admit that's why.
I’m fine not changing any of the seeds for this year. Doesn’t mean I think they are correct but I would rather have a system than not. For next year, fix the issue raised in Levi seed - a wrestler shouldn’t be penalized for having others duck him. I have confidence in our guys. Call stalling as it should be and all our guys will be fine. Big 10 is just practice.
I’m counting on a week of raging debates, only for Friday to come and be told about all the hotly disputed seeds, “yeah that wasn’t discussed as the gap was more than 15.” Oh, the humanity!
Ferrari wrestling a dead Hogan would still probably be 1-1 after regulation.
Some people like buying Blue Chips and some people like IPOs. I'm a blue chip guy.
As far as the PIAA comparison, Prestige points should be only used for the last year of competition for the wrestler, not based on career placement. Same thing with Kasak, his 2025 would be used .
Speaking of Kasak, I think his younger brother had a bad moment over weekend at Junior High tournament.
I won't elaborate.
Assuming no upsets
Levi's path if he remains #2 ... Riddle, Kennedy, Minto
Levi's path if he gets #1 ... Brauman, Karchla/Mantanona, Minto
Levi will be the Big Ten Champ either way.
Levi's path if he remains #2 ... Riddle, Kennedy, Minto
Levi's path if he gets #1 ... Brauman, Karchla/Mantanona, Minto
Levi will be the Big Ten Champ either way.
After listening to Cael's presser I get the impression that this is what happened. The coaches got together and agreed that seeding this tourney is a huge time-suck, they are all super busy getting ready for this tourney and NCAAs, and there must be an easier/faster way to knock out this task that spares them the lost time and beatdown squabbles with other coaches.
Someone came along and said, "have I got an algorithm for you." That someone promised that their system could do the seeding quickly and painlessly, that the outcome would be fair, objective, and produce a result that would be consistent with what the coaches would have done anyway, AND as a failsafe, they would build in an opportunity for the coaches to object Friday night and make tweaks if necessary.
Having now seen the deliverables, I suspect many coaches believe this is not what they signed up for.
Someone came along and said, "have I got an algorithm for you." That someone promised that their system could do the seeding quickly and painlessly, that the outcome would be fair, objective, and produce a result that would be consistent with what the coaches would have done anyway, AND as a failsafe, they would build in an opportunity for the coaches to object Friday night and make tweaks if necessary.
Having now seen the deliverables, I suspect many coaches believe this is not what they signed up for.