In what Matrix is Minto over Haines??
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How is Levi not #1 didn't he beat minto.
184 is an awful outcome for Rocco. McNelly has a cake walk to the finals
I don’t agree at all. Blaze being at 1 is huge. Davino and Byrd battling it out is a great draw. Davis has a tough one but that was expected. Dukes is tough because Cannon shouldn’t be at the 7. We will see if that changes. Truly the only one that makes no sense is Levi. He beat Minto and is undefeated. How is he seeded lower?
McEnelly, Allred, and Mantanona, respectively.
Buckeye site a poster said Cannon is 16 points behind. Can't challenge if true. Haines will be 1.
Honestly, I don't think the guys care that much.
The tough draw is wrestling against PSU.
Well, that was fun. Some interesting results from a numbers-based system. Learned that there can be challenges, which many thought beforehand but now is confirmed. I always wanted to be a fly on the wall at the coaches meeting, but never like this year.
Before I post this, just want to say I love Shane Sparks. Once upon a time the jury was still out for me but no longer, not for many a year in fact. I had the good fortune of spending time with him at Penn State years ago after a dual, and caught up with him for quality time at an airport (pictures can prove it!). He's been an amazing ambassador for the sport, is more knowledgeable than anyone I know regarding college wrestling and his cocaine Shane (affectionately) style has grown on me big time. Then today at the end of the BTN seeding show he went off on an amazing rant about the 2026 Big Ten Wrestling Championship. It should be used by BTN as an ad for the conference tournament!
Before I post this, just want to say I love Shane Sparks. Once upon a time the jury was still out for me but no longer, not for many a year in fact. I had the good fortune of spending time with him at Penn State years ago after a dual, and caught up with him for quality time at an airport (pictures can prove it!). He's been an amazing ambassador for the sport, is more knowledgeable than anyone I know regarding college wrestling and his cocaine Shane (affectionately) style has grown on me big time. Then today at the end of the BTN seeding show he went off on an amazing rant about the 2026 Big Ten Wrestling Championship. It should be used by BTN as an ad for the conference tournament!
Rocco facing Ferrari in the second round sux at face value, though I doubt Ferrari is at 100% and likely forfeits down to consis.
Levi as a 2 and Minto as the one is criminal. Pretty sure that seeding was written in pencil and will be the first seeding changed once we challenge it.
Pleasantly surprised to see Mirasola get the 4. I think he’s got a chance to make/win the finals. He was right there with all these guys.
Levi as a 2 and Minto as the one is criminal. Pretty sure that seeding was written in pencil and will be the first seeding changed once we challenge it.
Pleasantly surprised to see Mirasola get the 4. I think he’s got a chance to make/win the finals. He was right there with all these guys.
Could you provide a link please? Does the poster have access to the B1G scoring or did he make up his own based on the released criteria?
157 and 184 are the 2 I don’t like. Ferrari at the 8 means a tough road for Rocco. They are really penalizing the guys who sat out. Both Ferrari and Cannon got hit pretty hard which I’m ok with
Message is clear with some of these. You don't wrestle, your seed takes a hit. Cannot say I disagree.
At 165, Caliendo is 2 and J. Blaze is 3. Blaze beat Caliendo H2H. Not really much difference being 2 or 3 since they are on the bottom half and theoretically should meet in the semifinals and are separated from 1.
Pure number systems aren’t the answer. Coaches will hopefully make some changes.
Pure number systems aren’t the answer. Coaches will hopefully make some changes.
An interesting note:
Iowa only has 1 wrestler with a top-2 seed -- Mikey Caliendo @ 165. And if he's within 15 points in the formula, Purdue can challenge Caliendo's #2 seed, as Joey Blaze beat him in head-to-head and also had a good season.
141 is the only weight class where Iowa has a wrestler seeded above a PSU guy.
Iowa's seeds:
125: #8
133: #5
141: #4
149: #8
157: #10
165: #2
174: #3
184: #8
197: #13
285: #10
Iowa only has 1 wrestler with a top-2 seed -- Mikey Caliendo @ 165. And if he's within 15 points in the formula, Purdue can challenge Caliendo's #2 seed, as Joey Blaze beat him in head-to-head and also had a good season.
141 is the only weight class where Iowa has a wrestler seeded above a PSU guy.
Iowa's seeds:
125: #8
133: #5
141: #4
149: #8
157: #10
165: #2
174: #3
184: #8
197: #13
285: #10
Thank you! Complete with correct name spellings and everything. Man, whoever did the bracket graphics for the broadcast…
PJ vs Cannon that early sucks but I'd say it sucks more for the Bucknut.. He is coming back from injury, apparently requiring minor surgery.. I'm sure he would have preferred a couple easier matches to get deeper into the tourney before running into another hammer.. PJ just needs to come out and wrestle his match.. Not gas.. and I think he gets thru that match with a win.. Look .. to win the B!G tourney you are going to have to win some tough matches.. early/late.. does it really matter?
Penn State wrestling has six No. 1 Big Ten preseeds; where is each Nittany Lion seeded for now?
Penn State wrestling has six No. 1 wrestlers in the Big Ten Championship preseeds. Here's where each Nittany Lion is ranked.
Shane Sparks is an amazing ambassador for collegiate wrestling generally and an even greater cheerleader for the Big Ten.
I think Duke will win comfortably. Cannon is banged up, same with Ferrari at 184. Looking forward to Ferrari dropping to 2 knees and lose 2-1 on stall call.
It sure would be nice to see the actual math from the algorithm. Most make sense based on the provided criteria but I can't see how they figured Minto ahead of Levi
Head to Head vs. the Field (25 points) Levi wins that, he's 5-0, Minto is 7-3. Does Minto get credit for the 3 guys that ducked Levi?
Common opponents Record (25 points) Levi won head to head. Minto's other losses were to Kharchla and Kennedy, both ducked Levi.
Conference Dual Record (20 points) Levi was 8-0, Minto 6-2
Quality Matches (10 points) Does not say Quality Wins, that's got to be an error right. Maybe Minto takes this one.
RPI (10 points) Minto wins, is it 10-0 or a split like 7-3?
Conference allocation (5 points) This one is even, both get 5.
Head to Head vs. the Field (25 points) Levi wins that, he's 5-0, Minto is 7-3. Does Minto get credit for the 3 guys that ducked Levi?
Common opponents Record (25 points) Levi won head to head. Minto's other losses were to Kharchla and Kennedy, both ducked Levi.
Conference Dual Record (20 points) Levi was 8-0, Minto 6-2
Quality Matches (10 points) Does not say Quality Wins, that's got to be an error right. Maybe Minto takes this one.
RPI (10 points) Minto wins, is it 10-0 or a split like 7-3?
Conference allocation (5 points) This one is even, both get 5.
Olivieri has only wrestled/beat 1 top 25 guy.
Levi won the head to head, wrestled every match, was undefeated, Minto has 4 losses, 2 in Big10 duals and Levi threw him 20 feet through the air. How in the world does Minto mathematically earn more seeding points than Levi. They truly did use wrestlestat, didn't they?
Looks like Levi got penalized for Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, and Rutger sending backups to face him.
IDK how else it could've happened. This was egregious. The formula really crapped the bed here.
But what's the solution? Punishing those 4 teams for sending backups is fine, but punishing Levi for it is stupid. And there is now a perverse incentive for ducking.
Plus we don't know if that seed was within the challenge threshold. Probably better long-term if it isn't, otherwise B10 will hide behind that and we'll get more dreck next year.
IDK how else it could've happened. This was egregious. The formula really crapped the bed here.
But what's the solution? Punishing those 4 teams for sending backups is fine, but punishing Levi for it is stupid. And there is now a perverse incentive for ducking.
Plus we don't know if that seed was within the challenge threshold. Probably better long-term if it isn't, otherwise B10 will hide behind that and we'll get more dreck next year.
Penn State coach Cael Sanderson is not a fan of the Big Ten preseeds.
"There needs to be, like, a common sense application, and so we got to figure that out," he said Monday.
Watch his full news conference here from @ThomasFrankCarr:
"There needs to be, like, a common sense application, and so we got to figure that out," he said Monday.
Watch his full news conference here from @ThomasFrankCarr:
Minto can keep the 1 if Blaze can keep his 1
Thanks for the reply. I went back to listen again, Shane said "if he is within 15 points he can challenge" He never said he was 16 back.
And as usual with all the byes, there will be wringing of hands, panic, and gnashing of teeth when PSU falls behind early. When I coached high school this often happened to us and I would have parents all upset but they relaxed in the later rounds, LOL. For a few years, one was able to turndown a seed and just jump in the draw (only 8 were seeded in a 32 or 64 man bracket.) I had to do that a few times too. The old saying is "if you are good enough, your seed doesn't matter." ... I have faith in our guys!
Pearl clutching over 184/157 is silly.
we are the 1 and you get what you earn. Either in qtrs or the finals.
bigs while a wonderful tournament remains just regional qualifier to the big dance