It seems that the consensus is that Oklahoma State is the new rival…

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I was watching a dual meet involving 2 other B1G10 schools on B1G10+ last weekend and the student announcer kept referring to each mat return as a takedown. It drove me out of my mind.
That sure sounds like something the illegal back-fisters would say. One of the funniest comments from them was when they claimed that one of the Nebby wrestlers led the team in escapes.
 
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One factor that has gone unmentioned. What happens when Iowa finally hires a coach outside the Gable tree who is not a student of the 80’s caveman coaching?

That means one more school with great tradition and resources with a quality modern coach competing for wrestlers. Do that and Iowa is very attractive to the deep talent pool across the Midwest.

That will be a bigger problem for Taylor than Cael.
 

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One factor that has gone unmentioned. What happens when Iowa finally hires a coach outside the Gable tree who is not a student of the 80’s caveman coaching?

That means one more school with great tradition and resources with a quality modern coach competing for wrestlers. Do that and Iowa is very attractive to the deep talent pool across the Midwest.

That will be a bigger problem for Taylor than Cael.
Shhh, don't tell MSU. He'll tell you in no uncertain terms that the Brands are God's gift to wrestling coaching, and the only reasons that Iowa isn't dominating like PSU are that Iowa has ethics and is bound by rules and Slumlord Bob is only a millionaire and not a billionaire.
 

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That sure sounds like something the illegal back-fisters would say. One of the funniest comments from them was when they claimed that one of the Nebby wrestlers led the team in escapes.
Yeah you really only want one opportunity per match!
 

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But they made great dragsters when those original engines got trashed and replaced with a small block Chevy V8 engine.
I had a friend and fellow classmate who had a Vega Station Wagon. He bored out the aluminum heads and put metal inserts / sleeves in and took it to the drag track. People laughed but he consistently hit low 12s and they stopped laughing. He wrote letters and Two years later Chevy did the exact same thing to their Vegas......it solved the oil problem, but it was too late to change public opinion. There are some solid late model Vegas with no oil leaking problems. My other close friend had an early Vega. It ran great but he had a case of oil in the back to deal with the leakage. His was pretty severe but he loved the car....both power and gas mileage. :)
 

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Cael knows DT is the guy that has a chance to beat you guys.

So much so that he made sure to get Rocco and Jayden James. Both were a done deal to okiest until Cael swooped in. He didn't need them (Ryder, Henckel), but made dang sure DT didn't get them.
 
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Cael knows DT is the guy that has a chance to beat you guys.

So much so that he made sure to get Rocco and Jayden James. Both were a done deal to okiest until Cael swooped in. He didn't need them (Ryder, Henckel), but made dang sure DT didn't get them.
James was going to VT.
 

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Ok State fans are getting a little uppity and annoying. Probably riding high from Jax but you would think they would be more realistic

they have no shot the next two years, none

If Blaze and can beat Jax (he has) and Mirasola can beat Ross (he has) we would shut them out in a dual. In some weight classes we might have two guys that could beat their starter

2028-29 is when it might get interesting but even though there’s so much to happen between now and then
 
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Ok State fans are getting a little uppity and annoying. Probably riding high from Jax but you would think they would be more realistic

they have no shot the next two years, none

If Blaze and can beat Jax (he has) and Mirasola can beat Ross (he has) we would shut them out in a dual. In some weight classes we might have two guys that could beat their starter

2028-29 is when it might get interesting but even though there’s so much to happen between now and then
Hasn't duke beat robideau is the past?
 

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Ok State fans are getting a little uppity and annoying. Probably riding high from Jax but you would think they would be more realistic

they have no shot the next two years, none

If Blaze and can beat Jax (he has) and Mirasola can beat Ross (he has) we would shut them out in a dual. In some weight classes we might have two guys that could beat their starter

2028-29 is when it might get interesting but even though there’s so much to happen between now and then
I believe Penn State will be favored the next two years if things go chalk, but a lot can happen and after that who knows. Buckeyes and VTech aren't going away either. Good times. That said I like the potential Penn state lineup 3 years out.
 

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I believe Penn State will be favored the next two years if things go chalk, but a lot can happen and after that who knows. Buckeyes and VTech aren't going away either. Good times. That said I like the potential Penn state lineup 3 years out.
They aren’t but the more the merrier as far as I’m concerned. Keep talent spread out and that’s to PSU’s advantage. We don’t want two horse race.

Assuming Ono has two years, for anyone to beat PSU next year or 27-28 will have to have best team in history. And no one will have it.

Three years will have Sidun Burnett Desmond Blaze Shepherd Duke James Cunningham and the Mirasolas

Very hard to predict what will happen to some people such as Desmond and Henckel who might be great but might not crack the lineup. What about Connor Mirasola?
 

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They aren’t but the more the merrier as far as I’m concerned. Keep talent spread out and that’s to PSU’s advantage. We don’t want two horse race.

Assuming Ono has two years, for anyone to beat PSU next year or 27-28 will have to have best team in history. And no one will have it.

Three years will have Sidun Burnett Desmond Blaze Shepherd Duke James Cunningham and the Mirasolas

Very hard to predict what will happen to some people such as Desmond and Henckel who might be great but might not crack the lineup. What about Connor Mirasola?
I'm Ok with the talent spreading out. With NIL and the scholarship limits it was inevitable. Most forget about Connor. He has a bright future. I'm just glad it's Cael juggling this talent. He really is incredible at it.
 

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They aren’t but the more the merrier as far as I’m concerned. Keep talent spread out and that’s to PSU’s advantage. We don’t want two horse race.

Assuming Ono has two years, for anyone to beat PSU next year or 27-28 will have to have best team in history. And no one will have it.

Three years will have Sidun Burnett Desmond Blaze Shepherd Duke James Cunningham and the Mirasolas

Very hard to predict what will happen to some people such as Desmond and Henckel who might be great but might not crack the lineup. What about Connor Mirasola?
Henckel will get in the lineup before Cunningham
 

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Henckel will get in the lineup before Cunningham
Possibly, I just had Cunningham here for the duration regardless because of his father

But while I know Henckel is a talent and easy to just slot him into the vacant 174 next year but there are hurdles to that. One is that there are three guys Kasak, Duke, and Messenbrink and only two weight classes 157 and 165.

Wouldn’t also count out Jayden James. He’s an ultra talent who might not want to red shirt and with threat of portal might be allowed chance to wrestle off. It’s likely he redshirts but currently all over the trends are these guys are wrestling.
 

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Ok State fans are getting a little uppity and annoying. Probably riding high from Jax but you would think they would be more realistic

they have no shot the next two years, none

If Blaze and can beat Jax (he has) and Mirasola can beat Ross (he has) we would shut them out in a dual. In some weight classes we might have two guys that could beat their starter

2028-29 is when it might get interesting but even though there’s so much to happen between now and then

Vega
 

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Possibly, I just had Cunningham here for the duration regardless because of his father

But while I know Henckel is a talent and easy to just slot him into the vacant 174 next year but there are hurdles to that. One is that there are three guys Kasak, Duke, and Messenbrink and only two weight classes 157 and 165.

Wouldn’t also count out Jayden James. He’s an ultra talent who might not want to red shirt and with threat of portal might be allowed chance to wrestle off. It’s likely he redshirts but currently all over the trends are these guys are wrestling.
Just being a little ticky tak. If James wanted to wrestle off he would be allowed to wrestle off. I am not familiar with many who wanted to wrestle who weren't allowed to give it a go.
Even in 2015 (the punt year) Nico had to be convinced to redshirt, he wasn't told to do so.
 

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Ok State fans are getting a little uppity and annoying. Probably riding high from Jax but you would think they would be more realistic

they have no shot the next two years, none
Love the energy, but hyperbolic statements like this are too homertastic for me. In combat sports almost anyone has a chance to pull the upset on a given night.

Well, except for that chump Gable Steveson “fought” last week in Mexico’s version of the UFC.
 
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Love the energy, but hyperbolic statements like this are too homertastic for me. In combat sports almost anyone has a chance to pull the upset on a given night.

Well, except for that chump Gable Steveson “fought” last week in Mexico’s version of the UFC.
In a single match, absolutely but in a full team tournament I can’t see anyone coming close to PSU the next 2 years. These are historically great teams. So many things would have to go wrong for PSU and other teams would have to have the tournament of their lives. Is it possible? Sure. Not likely at all though
 

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In a single match, absolutely but in a full team tournament I can’t see anyone coming close to PSU the next 2 years. These are historically great teams. So many things would have to go wrong for PSU and other teams would have to have the tournament of their lives. Is it possible? Sure. Not likely at all though
That I agree with. It’s the zero percent chance claims that are unrealistic.

I’ve seen too many examples of upsets of an unbeatable team, wrestler, player, etc, to guzzle that flavor of koolaid. Illness, injury, personal or team turmoil, or just having an off night/weekend sometimes put their thumb on the scale when least expected.
 
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That I agree with. It’s the zero percent chance claims that are unrealistic.

I’ve seen too many examples of upsets of an unbeatable team, wrestler, player, etc, to guzzle that flavor of koolaid. Illness, injury, personal or team turmoil, or just having an off night/weekend sometimes put their thumb on the scale when least expected.
In my opinion my post was properly phrased given that they think they are at least 50% to win where at best they are 1/100

when you are projected to be 80 or so points ahead of a team that’s massive. There would have to be stuff like Rocco Welsh losing his first two and Zack Ryder pinning everyone and that might be a 35 point swing, need another one or two of those

call into Flo and ask them who will win the team title this year and next for “non Homer” take
 
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