FC/OT: Why can’t the NCAA enforce its eligibility rules?

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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.
 
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Bvillebaron

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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.
Agree on all fronts. NCAA is its own worst enemy. On the other hand, I’m curious as to how the court had jurisdiction. What little I saw about the ruling it seems the Court disagreed with the NCAA on whether he met the criteria for a physical injury to warrant another year. I don’t think any court has plenary jurisdiction over that type of issue and could only rule otherwise if it found an abuse of discretion which is a high standard to meet (assuming jurisdiction in the first place).
 

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Think both. Maybe a fix is to allow teams to draft a player in college so they have their rights upon graduation (think they do that for baseball?).
Sort of. MLB teams retain exclusive rights to players they draft up until about one week before the following year's draft, which takes place 2-3 weeks after that year's college baseball season ends. So it can work, but there is no guarantee. If, for some reason, the player doesn't sign, team is screwed.

That said, nothing prevents pro leagues from amending their draft rules to allow for "futures." That they haven't is an indicator of the likelihood that they will.
 

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The moment that the NCAA was forced to allow athletes to earn financial compensation tied to them being eligible and playing, their ability to unilaterally enforce this stuff was doomed.

This now more closely resembles employment law because of the financial and trade issues at play. A major part of the Chambliss argument was the loss of millions as a result of the NCAA’s decision (along with medical documentation issues).

A collective bargaining agreement of some kind feels inevitable. Let the players formally adopt the role they are effectively already playing. Draft a labor agreement that governs all of this stuff and remove the scattershot legal cases that are bleeding the system to death right now.

Yes, universities that have been tax-exempt will have IRS issues to navigate. But that may also accelerate a needed evolution in big time, big money athletics. I don’t pretend to know that answer, but things need to change for major college football to survive.
 

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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.
I think the simple answer is the NCAA has no real authority to enforce much of anything. Don't like an NCAA decision? Grab your lawyers and head to court. Judges are the real authority.
 

Midnighter

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The moment that the NCAA was forced to allow athletes to earn financial compensation tied to them being eligible and playing, their ability to unilaterally enforce this stuff was doomed.

This now more closely resembles employment law because of the financial and trade issues at play. A major part of the Chambliss argument was the loss of millions as a result of the NCAA’s decision (along with medical documentation issues).

A collective bargaining agreement of some kind feels inevitable. Let the players formally adopt the role they are effectively already playing. Draft a labor agreement that governs all of this stuff and remove the scattershot legal cases that are bleeding the system to death right now.

Yes, universities that have been tax-exempt will have IRS issues to navigate. But that may also accelerate a needed evolution in big time, big money athletics. I don’t pretend to know that answer, but things need to change for major college football to survive.

But, is there a way to avoid 'opt outs' of something like a collective bargaining agreement? Problem now is players have all the power; why give it up?
 
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The moment that the NCAA was forced to allow athletes to earn financial compensation tied to them being eligible and playing, their ability to unilaterally enforce this stuff was doomed.

This now more closely resembles employment law because of the financial and trade issues at play. A major part of the Chambliss argument was the loss of millions as a result of the NCAA’s decision (along with medical documentation issues).

A collective bargaining agreement of some kind feels inevitable. Let the players formally adopt the role they are effectively already playing. Draft a labor agreement that governs all of this stuff and remove the scattershot legal cases that are bleeding the system to death right now.

Yes, universities that have been tax-exempt will have IRS issues to navigate. But that may also accelerate a needed evolution in big time, big money athletics. I don’t pretend to know that answer, but things need to change for major college football to survive.
FWIW:

No one forced the teams/programs to create the current pay-for-play system.

What they WERE compelled to do (VERY much "Cliff's Noted"):

1) Not limit educational benefits (The "Alston" SCOTUS case)
College sports leadership's response was to pay all the athletes a chunk of money (around $6,000 per year IIRC) in exchange for an agreement from both sides to call it a day.
Bad move.

2) Provide, if they chose to, "revenue sharing payments" - the current $21 million-ish limit - to athletes.
Most of the big boys immediately decided to do that - to the full amount - and distribute that primarily to Football and men's BB players. That was entirely of their (the programs) own volition. They didn't have to, but they did.
(Personally, I think consistent and controlled revenue sharing makes sense - given the way the sports have evolved over time. And they were free to do so in any manageable system of their design. But doing so was their call.)


MOST impactfully - and what really created the massive FUBAR - they (the programs) then chose to open the gigantic Pandora's Box - initiating bidding wars of NIL (which, of course, really had nothing to do with "N" "I" and "L" - just straight out bidding wars for players), co-opting with "collectives" and all sorts of craziness.
They did that. They chose to do that.
Why? It seems pretty clear: due to massive egos and microscopic common sense.


And now it is what it is.
 
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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.

The Paternos finished off what little power the NCAA had and that azz Emmert.
 

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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.
Random judges have too much power over everything.
 
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They rule Chambliss is ineligible for a sixth year and Ole Miss immediately challenges and wins in a favorable (read: Ole Miss alum judge) court ruling. I get the NCAA is largely responsible for this mess but what is the point of any NCAA rules if a judge can just overrule? Same for pros returning to college to get NIL money. This sport is so stupid.

Has nothing to do with the NCAA - has to do with the fact that the Courts have ruled several times that CFB is a form of Interstate Commerce and the NCAA has not been granted an Anti-Trust Exemption - arbitrarily limiting eligibility is therefore a violation of the Sherman Act (i.e., the seminal Federal Antitrust Act).
 

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Has nothing to do with the NCAA - has to do with the fact that the Courts have ruled several times that CFB is a form of Interstate Commerce and the NCAA has not been granted an Anti-Trust Exemption - arbitrarily limiting eligibility is therefore a violation of the Sherman Act (i.e., the seminal Federal Antitrust Act).
as the NCAA is an instrumentally of the colleges with oversight by the schools, the anti-trust finding essentially means the NCAA cannot enforce any rule that the Presidents approved around eligibility - i.e. academic standards, enrolled students, etc. A school can clearly do this on their own as they are not part of the a/t finding by courts.

when the NCAA was formed a century ago the anti-trust laws and case law were not what they are today. as such there was not any need to create anti-trust immunity. additionally, our courts and judges have evolved in case law to be pseudo legislators so a lot of power.

hard to see the players creating a union and a CBA. best chance is schools decide to establish player contracts under pay to play.
 
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Bvillebaron

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Has nothing to do with the NCAA - has to do with the fact that the Courts have ruled several times that CFB is a form of Interstate Commerce and the NCAA has not been granted an Anti-Trust Exemption - arbitrarily limiting eligibility is therefore a violation of the Sherman Act (i.e., the seminal Federal Antitrust Act).
It’s my understanding that even though the NCAA does not have an Anti-Trust exemption, plaintiffs still have to prove that the challenged action was an unreasonable restriction on free trade. If the NCAA has no rule making authority, then why are athletes limited to 4 years of eligibility unless they redshirt or can prove a physical injury warranting extra year(s) of eligibility. Haven’t seen a link to the decision but it’s my understanding the court found that Chambliss met the NCAA’s criteria for an extra year of eligibility. Unless the court found that the NCAA’s decision that he did not meet that criteria because it was arbitrary and an abuse of discretion courts don’t get to substitute their determinations on factual findings. Notice how the court did not find that limiting the number of years of eligibility violated the Sherman Act but that the NCAA incorrectly decided whether Chambliss met the NCAA’s criteria for an extra year of eligibility.
 

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But, is there a way to avoid 'opt outs' of something like a collective bargaining agreement? Problem now is players have all the power; why give it up?
I assume that if the players unionize, then they have to ratify and abide by any CBA.

If the schools include reasonable opt-out and xfer governance in the CBA, then the players must generally abide by it. We’ll see the occasional challenge and as a poster above noted, the lack of an antitrust exemption could complicate litigation over time.

But having a CBA in place seems to reign in most of the problems right now.
 
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I assume that if the players unionize, then they have to ratify and abide by any CBA.

If the schools include reasonable opt-out and xfer governance in the CBA, then the players must generally abide by it. We’ll see the occasional challenge and as a poster above noted, the lack of an antitrust exemption could complicate litigation over time.

But having a CBA in place seems to reign in most of the problems right now.
A lot of these college players now take a financial hit when they go to the NFL. Because this garbage may start to hurt talent procurement by the NFL, you may see that most powerful sports league start to apply pressure on Congress to enact legislation to reign in this Wild West, and don’t underestimate the power that they now wield. Also, if the NFL now perceives college football as a competing pro league, I wouldn’t be surprised if they begin to schedule Friday and Saturday night games during September, October and November.
 
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A lot of these college players now take a financial hit when they go to the NFL. Because this garbage may start to hurt talent procurement by the NFL, you may see that most powerful sports league start to apply pressure on Congress to enact legislation to reign in this Wild West, and don’t underestimate the power that they now wield. Also, if the NFL now perceives college football as a competing pro league, I wouldn’t be surprised if they begin to schedule Friday and Saturday night games during September, October and November.
CFB provides a HUGE service to the NFL. A developmental league that allows the NFL to then pick and choose (the draft) and field a top quality product. This is provided at no or little cost to the NFL. A simple solution would be to have an age cutoff for college sports. say 24.
 
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CFB provides a HUGE service to the NFL. A developmental league that allows the NFL to then pick and choose (the draft) and field a top quality product. This is provided at no or little cost to the NFL. A simple solution would be to have an age cutoff for college sports. say 24.
Well, something needs to be done, because you’re starting to get many instances in which players are manipulating or totally violating the rules so that they can play college football as a steady job for upwards of sometimes seven years or more; they now are as much students as the maintenance people are at these schools. And like other posters said, the NCAA basically is powerless because you have corrupt judges adjudicating these cases who often are conflicted because of their own fandom and, as we’ve seen, often make rulings that are not supported by precedent and then need to be appealed, often to the Supreme Court.
 

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Well, something needs to be done, because you’re starting to get many instances in which players are manipulating or totally violating the rules so that they can play college football as a steady job for upwards of sometimes seven years or more; they now are as much students as the maintenance people are at these schools. And like other posters said, the NCAA basically is powerless because you have corrupt judges adjudicating these cases who often are conflicted because of their own fandom and, as we’ve seen, often make rulings that are not supported by precedent and then need to be appealed, often to the Supreme Court.
It’s an old legal tactic. Get an injunction and then delay/appeal for years until it no longer matters.

Chambliss will be long gone by the time any appeal is settled. The NCAA knows that.
 
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CFB provides a HUGE service to the NFL. A developmental league that allows the NFL to then pick and choose (the draft) and field a top quality product. This is provided at no or little cost to the NFL. A simple solution would be to have an age cutoff for college sports. say 24.
Mark Madden has a column on the Pitt Trib web site now about how the NFL may start to schedule regular Saturday games in the fall to compete with college football because they now consider it to be a direct competing professional league. He also states in that article that the judge who ruled Chambliss eligible has a law degree from Ole Miss, so why did he not recuse himself for a conflict; these judges, both federal and state, many of whom are unelected, basically now are governing this country rather than interpreting existing laws?
 
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Thank you much, Bvill..
Glad you enjoyed, three more yrs and yes, I'll have 'cognitive impairment' and need help.
Yes and you are desperately hoping that Mommy doesn’t take your binky and blankey away and kick you out of your safe space before the end of those three years.
 

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Yes and you are desperately hoping that Mommy doesn’t take your binky and blankey away and kick you out of your safe space before the end of those three years.
Mommy died 6-yrs ago Christmas morning, 5:am-age 94 wise a$$, I'm on my own. 😥
Hey, I'm not the one who called your cult stupid,
IIRC it was the Leader of the Free World, Mark Carney, that called MAGA Supporters ‘Stupid’.