The pressure is what makes the environment unbelievably challenging. Doesn’t matter that it’s not a true road game or whatever.
Official gameday thread- Duke vs Unc
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I think you are overthinking due to tonight tough lose. Maybe sleep on it before you throw in the towel. Still a lot of season left buddy.
I think there should be some concern as far as our shooting. We have absolutely no consistency. Couple games ago, Nik made 3 three's and tonight he looked terrible and barely saw the floor after the airball three. Then tonight Sarr had a great game but was 0-10 from three the last few games. Evans isn't what we thought he was going to be this year as far as shooting the three and don't even talk about Harris who we thought was going to be somewhat of a knock down shooter.
Our defense will keep us in games but we need someone other than Boozer.
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We turn into 2020 Virginia in close games. Until coach Scheyer releases some control, this will continue to happen. We’ve decided that PG isn’t a priority and it’s cost us since he’s been the guy. Imo, top 3 coach in college basketball, but his flaws have cost us a natty and it’ll continue to cost us vs other great teams on par with us.
pl. Im a State fan and I watched tje game. The officiating was atrocipois/ They were not going to call a foul on UNC but the did on DUKE, UNC had 1 foul in the 2md half. Thats what kept them in the game. I think it was some funny business gping on. Track their games . They always shoot twice as many free throws as their opponent/ Duke played a great game, but its hare to play 5 on 8!
If UNC brings the same offcciating they had tonight, will be about the same
Well, I'm a state Fan VU, and I think the Blue Devils were getting screwed in 2nd by the officials, only calling 1 personell foul on callina. Thats jus dirty wrong
Here's a picture of Duke rushing the court against Virginia Tech, and a video of Duke rushing the court against UNC.
The racist in your avatar would be proud of the way you attempt to deflect instead of admitting you were wrong.
Duke literally rushed the court against Virginia Tech.
Or the hypocrisy of being on a forum in which you are not a fan. Cheats won’t do sh*t in the tournament and you know deep down Duke is and has been in a much better spot than UNC with Jon as opposed to Hubert.
no need for you to be here.
Theo Pinson laughed about it and claimed he punched people. He said that it is free licks. Classless. If true, he should be banned from games and charged with assault, along with anyone else who pulled this junk.
Our offense scored less than 70 points against Boston College and UNC in the same week. Boozer literally has no consistent help. Hopefully we did not peak after those Louisville because if so, we are looking at early exit in March.
Evans was actually better last year in limited minutes.
Evans was actually better last year in limited minutes.
Ooops I’m sorry I offended you. 21 years ago Duke rushed the court… 21 years lol over a half court shot.
as for the other comment- that tells me enough about you
There is no hypocrisy from me. I literally admitted in my posts the very thing you claim im being hypocritical about. Maybe you didn’t comprehend it. It’s just a bball game my man. It isn’t cancer or personal tragedy.
you come here right after your team beats Duke with .4 seconds left- you clearly came to get a rise. If you want to be here to talk basketball that’s fine but showing up when and how you did isn’t going to give you a good reception here.
Everyone is praising Sarr. Yeah, the box score says he has a good scoring game, but I think he only scored 2 or 3 in the 2nd half. When you add in Evans having a bad shooting night, Foster scoring 9, and our bigs being non existent in the 2nd half, the writing was on the wall for a loss. Boozer also played soft on D for a while, as it was mentioned by a court side reporter that Jon got onto him for that.
We are also mad about the officiating. I think we have some leg to stand on, but we still should have won.
On offense, everyone not named Cam has to be better. Let’s hope the team is as mad as we are.
We are also mad about the officiating. I think we have some leg to stand on, but we still should have won.
On offense, everyone not named Cam has to be better. Let’s hope the team is as mad as we are.
That wasn’t my intent although I did expect there to be some negative posts. Was able to actually have a civil discussion but I get your point. I will take my leave. If Duke wins in Durham I would welcome you to IC.
I said UNC would win and they did by two but here’s more of my reason why !
UNC got Dukes entire frontcourt in foul trouble in the first half. Wilson’s jumper was unstoppable like I mention on the premium board it was cause for concern because sorry to say , Boozer is not the best defender.
Where was Evans shot and the shots Sarr made no one was barely covering him luckily they went in . No one , including him kept an eye on Trimble that last play and allowed him to get wide open for the three. That as a whole is on the team for poor communication on defense.
davis’s second half game plan is what Scheyer would have done if the tide was turned. Go right at Dukes bigs with Vessar . Getting big Pat to foul out gave them the leg up needed to get him going .
in all I do think the foul calls on the second half were telling and you can say they give the benefit of the doubt to the more aggressive team but if that’s true by the amount called on Duke I would say we weren’t being aggressive enough.
they stormed the court Duke was up by ten . You don’t want teams storming the court simply WIN! On the road . Hope this wakes everyone not named Cameron or Brown up and a second and third scorer emerges.
UNC got Dukes entire frontcourt in foul trouble in the first half. Wilson’s jumper was unstoppable like I mention on the premium board it was cause for concern because sorry to say , Boozer is not the best defender.
Where was Evans shot and the shots Sarr made no one was barely covering him luckily they went in . No one , including him kept an eye on Trimble that last play and allowed him to get wide open for the three. That as a whole is on the team for poor communication on defense.
davis’s second half game plan is what Scheyer would have done if the tide was turned. Go right at Dukes bigs with Vessar . Getting big Pat to foul out gave them the leg up needed to get him going .
in all I do think the foul calls on the second half were telling and you can say they give the benefit of the doubt to the more aggressive team but if that’s true by the amount called on Duke I would say we weren’t being aggressive enough.
they stormed the court Duke was up by ten . You don’t want teams storming the court simply WIN! On the road . Hope this wakes everyone not named Cameron or Brown up and a second and third scorer emerges.
Don’t be petty and block them. That’s what they do over at THR….oh wait. They don’t have that anymore.
Im a UNC fan that went to the game. I enjoy trying to talk basketball and it’s impossible on twitter because it’s a cesspool
honest takeaways
-Scheyer has his growing pains but he coaches a very disciplined team. I honestly think this is the least talented duke team since maybe 2013, but there are rarely any lapses on defense, no one plays out of control and they dont take bad shots. Boozer had a few turnovers trying to make the tougher pass out of a double team but you rarely see many unforced turnovers. My frustration with Hubert is that I feel like his teams don’t play with the same discipline.
-Playing against Boozer is as frustrating as Duke fans probably felt playing against Hansbrough. Both are not very athletic or towering over everyone put the patience they have in the paint and the pump fakes and footwork seem impossible to defend
-Both teams have very average guardplay and it’s why both teams IMO will need a very favorable draw to make the Elite 8. Imperative in March to have a guard that can break down the defense and get in the lane. While I thought both teams executed well on offense they both struggled to score outside of post entries and catch and shoot kick out plays
-Styles determine fights and even though I would say Duke has a slightly better team the result was not surprising. I think this year UNC matches up much better against Duke. Last year UNC simply looked overmatched against Duke’s size and length starting 2 6 foot guards and a 6’8 center and I think this is a similar size difference to a lesser degree. You could tell Evans was bothered having a 6’10 Stevenson guarding him on the perimeter and Foster struggled to beat Trimble off the dribble. I think the first half was more of a result of UNC simply having lapses on defense and missing easy shots. To Duke’s credit they did a good job keeping the ball away from Veesar in the paint, but I felt going in that Duke’s lack of size and depth down low would be a problem and it was expected that Veesar and Wilson would get PN and Brown in foul trouble. I can certainly see Duke winning the ACC and going further than UNC in the tournament. However I do believe because of the matchups UNC would probably beat Duke 7 times if they played 10 times
-I think the officiating was awful in the first half. Alot of questionable calls both ways. It was surprising to see UNC only get whistled once in the 2nd half (and that was a very questionable one they called on Trimble) but I actually appreciated that the refs seemed to let them play and swallow the whistle. They probably could have called more fouls on UNC in the 2nd half but I also think Boozer was very fortunate to not foul out by the 10 minute mark. There was a sequence where UNC went inside 3 or 4 times in a row and scored through contact and the refs let it go. While the result would indicate UNC stole one, I think it was more of a testament to Scheyer outcoaching Hubert until the last 3 minutes. I think last night would have been a mismatch if the coaches switched sides
honest takeaways
-Scheyer has his growing pains but he coaches a very disciplined team. I honestly think this is the least talented duke team since maybe 2013, but there are rarely any lapses on defense, no one plays out of control and they dont take bad shots. Boozer had a few turnovers trying to make the tougher pass out of a double team but you rarely see many unforced turnovers. My frustration with Hubert is that I feel like his teams don’t play with the same discipline.
-Playing against Boozer is as frustrating as Duke fans probably felt playing against Hansbrough. Both are not very athletic or towering over everyone put the patience they have in the paint and the pump fakes and footwork seem impossible to defend
-Both teams have very average guardplay and it’s why both teams IMO will need a very favorable draw to make the Elite 8. Imperative in March to have a guard that can break down the defense and get in the lane. While I thought both teams executed well on offense they both struggled to score outside of post entries and catch and shoot kick out plays
-Styles determine fights and even though I would say Duke has a slightly better team the result was not surprising. I think this year UNC matches up much better against Duke. Last year UNC simply looked overmatched against Duke’s size and length starting 2 6 foot guards and a 6’8 center and I think this is a similar size difference to a lesser degree. You could tell Evans was bothered having a 6’10 Stevenson guarding him on the perimeter and Foster struggled to beat Trimble off the dribble. I think the first half was more of a result of UNC simply having lapses on defense and missing easy shots. To Duke’s credit they did a good job keeping the ball away from Veesar in the paint, but I felt going in that Duke’s lack of size and depth down low would be a problem and it was expected that Veesar and Wilson would get PN and Brown in foul trouble. I can certainly see Duke winning the ACC and going further than UNC in the tournament. However I do believe because of the matchups UNC would probably beat Duke 7 times if they played 10 times
-I think the officiating was awful in the first half. Alot of questionable calls both ways. It was surprising to see UNC only get whistled once in the 2nd half (and that was a very questionable one they called on Trimble) but I actually appreciated that the refs seemed to let them play and swallow the whistle. They probably could have called more fouls on UNC in the 2nd half but I also think Boozer was very fortunate to not foul out by the 10 minute mark. There was a sequence where UNC went inside 3 or 4 times in a row and scored through contact and the refs let it go. While the result would indicate UNC stole one, I think it was more of a testament to Scheyer outcoaching Hubert until the last 3 minutes. I think last night would have been a mismatch if the coaches switched sides
“Unc would probably beat Duke 7 out of 10 times”. In Chapel Hill with those refs maybe.
On a neutral court maybe 3 out of 10.
“Scored through contact”. lol. Brown and Cam played super soft the entire half due to all the fouls. After Patrick picked up his fourth, it got worse. Delusional comment.
“Lack of size and depth down low”. It sure looks like that when all your bigs are in foul trouble and the opposing team picks up one foul the entire second half.
That said, the Heels hit some big shots down the stretch and it’s good for the rivalry that things don’t get too one sided.
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Quit with the anti-Hubert ****. Nobody’s trying to hear that ****.
As for Boozer's last shot he usually makes that. But UNC's length was better than most teams we played. Someone needed to set a screen so he got the ball around the foul line. Starting that far out never seems to end well for us in late game situations. He did get fouled; but on the road unless you get knocked to the ground you will not get that call at the end of the game. Oh well. We're still 21-2 and a one seed. But lose a few more and we could drop to a 2. Frustrating to lose a 7 point lead with 2 and a half minutes to go. But losses happen. For Duke to cut down the nets we have to execute better in the last two minutes of these close games.
What are 2 6’9 guys that arent particularly athletic or long supposed to down low against a 7’1 center with a high release? Duke doesnt have a Mark Williams or Maluch rim defender this year and it’s why I have been confident in UNC’s chances in the Duke games all season regardless of how both teams seasons were going. If I was a Duke fan Id be ecstatic with how the season has gone so far considering how flawed their roster is compared to normal seasons. Again credit that to how disciplined they play on defense and how they execute on offense. Boozer is the likely NPOY favorite but he’s not the man amongst boys like Flagg or Zion that no one else in the country has an answer for
You didn’t make any of these comments before the game. It’s easy to come in and gloat after a win, and say I knew this and I knew that. Stop trolling.
No one is trolling. I think my opinions are very objective. I can acknowledge Duke is a better team this year but UNC matches up well with them. Its been true on the other side in numerous years. Duke won 2 of 3 the last time UNC won the national title. The next year Duke had a better team but UNC took 2 of 3 because they happened to match up better
theres a sentiment the rivalry has lost some mystique in the portal/NIL era because you don’t have the Redicks and Hansbroughs anymore but I personally think it’s made the rivalry have more parity year to year because the rosters are different each year and the matchups of styles change. Duke would control the rivalry until Jay Williams and Battier graduated just like UNC would until Hansbrough did. Today it really just comes down to matchups each year to year
There’s nothing that says Duke is the hands down better team this year. You also said this is the least talented Duke team since 2013. What about Duke in 14’, 16’, 21’ and 24’?
New age of college ball is terrible with no real roster continuity.
Your timing with these takes is what I’m objecting to.
You're never going to win an argument on another team's board. I gave up talking Duke hoops on Rupp Rafters long ago. Our guards didn't outplay their guards and that was our advantage on paper.
Ugh. What a miserable game. Oh, well. Hats off to them for their grit. The way Veesaar played in the tourney against us last season, I knew he was going to be trouble. And the hype around Caleb Wilson is well deserved.
I was hoping they'd get a tech for the 1st court-storming, setting up something like last season's lane violation. Considering what an ugly scene that was in college basketball's marquee game of the year, and the assaults alleged to have happened afterward, maybe this will be the final straw for the NCAA to get serious about court-storming. Who knows. I won't hold my breath.
Pat's 5th foul was so dumb. Dame played well. Our frontcourt can't handle foul trouble.
I was hoping they'd get a tech for the 1st court-storming, setting up something like last season's lane violation. Considering what an ugly scene that was in college basketball's marquee game of the year, and the assaults alleged to have happened afterward, maybe this will be the final straw for the NCAA to get serious about court-storming. Who knows. I won't hold my breath.
Pat's 5th foul was so dumb. Dame played well. Our frontcourt can't handle foul trouble.
Trimble is the best guard on either team this year. And I promise that was my opinion even before last night. So I can’t say our guards are better on paper than theirs.
I would disagree simply looking at their seasons. Duke has 2 losses this year both away from home and those teams are currently ranked 13th and 14th in the country. The same weekend UNC got swept by the NorCal teams Duke beat them by a combined 45 points. I know Trimble didnt play but we were dominated by Michigan State while Duke beat them on the road. I would argue Duke’s win against Florida is a better win than UNC’s at UVa. I think Arizona is the clear team to beat at this point with Houston UCONN and Michigan also being juggernauts but Duke this season has pretty much taken care of business in games they should win. Ill never complain about being 19-4 and beating Kansas, Kentucky and Duke in the same year but losing to Stanford and Cal were inexusable. And SMU damn near dropped 100 on us
Tough loss, not was I was expecting.....well at least not the last 5 mins. Duke's last three losses (UNC, TT, Houston) all have a common theme; a double digit second half lead squandered. Yes, I am aware all three games had different circumstances, but the outcome was the same, single possession losses where we had control of the game.
In general, I like that this squad seems pretty grounded, even keeled. Emotions don't flare. But IMHO we are lacking the killer instinct, the consistency to put teams away in the second half, that one player to be tougher than the rest when things get tight.
Clearly this team has some vulnerabilities; weak guard play, inconsistent shooting, lack of depth in the front court, etc. Still we are 20-2, atop the ACC, and still in the hunt for a 1 seed. A single possession loss to a top 15 ranked team on the road isn't a big deal. The fact that it was against UNC makes it sting a little, but big picture, Duke is in a good position to control our own destiny. Let's finish the regular season strong and take it to UNC in Durham!
After that, it's tourney time. Win and advance!
In general, I like that this squad seems pretty grounded, even keeled. Emotions don't flare. But IMHO we are lacking the killer instinct, the consistency to put teams away in the second half, that one player to be tougher than the rest when things get tight.
Clearly this team has some vulnerabilities; weak guard play, inconsistent shooting, lack of depth in the front court, etc. Still we are 20-2, atop the ACC, and still in the hunt for a 1 seed. A single possession loss to a top 15 ranked team on the road isn't a big deal. The fact that it was against UNC makes it sting a little, but big picture, Duke is in a good position to control our own destiny. Let's finish the regular season strong and take it to UNC in Durham!
After that, it's tourney time. Win and advance!
You really didn’t answer anything with this post. Only Arizona (undefeated) and Michigan (putting ungodly beatdowns on teams), have separated themselves from everybody else. Duke hasn’t done anything to prove they are a favorite against other quality competition.
You even said this is the least talented Duke team in a long long time. How can they be that and also “hands down” better than other quality teams? Makes no sense.
Duke hasn’t done anything to prove it???? We’ve lost 2 games and played one of the toughest non conference schedules in the nation. Step off the ledge this is a ridiculously bad take