Just HOW BAD was Franklin and O'Brien's coaching at the QB position?
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What a lot of people don't want to admit is that Clifford was a better qb than Aller, and wasn't an inflated five star just because he had physical attributes.
Drew is hitting the NFL draft the right year - really no can't miss types out there and with his measurables he will get picked in the second round late I bet - maybe higher. Not bad and he already has made a good amount of money so he will do fine either way things go for him.
Simple......Bill OB took McGloin and he won top walk-on player then had Hack looking like a first round draft pick.
Franklin took Hack and made him look terrible, did little with Clifford, and made Allar look worse than he was. We won't get into the Ta Quan Roberson fiasco. Clifford had numerous OC systems to learn and didn’t have a true QB coach till Danny O an anylist was made QB coach. We shall see how VaTech QBs develop.
Franklin took Hack and made him look terrible, did little with Clifford, and made Allar look worse than he was. We won't get into the Ta Quan Roberson fiasco. Clifford had numerous OC systems to learn and didn’t have a true QB coach till Danny O an anylist was made QB coach. We shall see how VaTech QBs develop.
Didn't Clifford throw for the most yards in PSU history and also had two 11 win seasons?
Did Harrison Wallace just magically learn to get open once he went to Ole Miss? Did we not have the undisputed best tight end in the country? The receiver excuses for Allar are comical.
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Poor Hack. Must have had awful offensive lines with the Jets too. And with the USFL competitor minor league where he lost his job...their lline must have sucked too. Bad luck!
Hackenberg was drafted by he Jets. They are the worst NFL team in QB development
Yeah I'm looking for the good throws. Can't remember him making very many. He missed open receivers all night against Notre Dame.
Hackenberg NEVER looked like a 1st rounder. He was a 7-5 QB who you glorified since he committed during sanctions. You were happy to have a team and overlooked his flaws. He was ranked near the bottom of the B10 in passing with Obrien. Tell me a game where he looked like a 1st rounder. His claim to fame was a jump ball to AROB.
And as bad as the Jets were, they still couldn't put Hack on the field for even one play.
We all know the coaching was atrocious. You don't need to be a football cevant to see that. We had the wrong OC who had the wrong system for him so there's another problem. Finally I think the intangibles with Drew were not very good such as leadership and mental toughness.
He was so bad in that ND game. Compare that to the QBs in the semis this year. Moore had a terrible game vs IU but Mendoza, Beck and Chambliss were all excellent. Even with Beck throwing that final pick his overall performance in the semis and final game was so much better than what Allar did vs ND.
I took what the OP meant was that Smith said open it up and throw vertically instead of being forced to throw so many horizontal or short throws
Why play for OT? You have 40 seconds and two time outs plus a veteran "5 star" QB who should be capable of leading the team 40 yards for a game winning FG. The only reason not to do it was he was so bad all game and you think he will throw a pick, which he did. You can blame that on Franklin but don't ignore the elephant in the room that Allar totally underperformed in that game. Then he comes back in 2025 and has no improvement!
I guess it could be but I didn't read it that way and certainly didn't see it play out that way. If anything Terry "meddled" (thankfully) and told AK to knock off all the goofy **** and just play football. Also the first 2-3 games they played Grunk was not asked to do anything. Weather though might have impacted that game at MSU.
Bottom line is we needed the change in regime's and I'm looking forward to see what the new one brings in. Especially the WR coach and OC.
I'm sure this kid has had his own personal QB coach forever. And why was Grunk so accurate?
There may have been a little of that, but he had no good WRs. And the O Line wasn't anything special.
There may have been a little of that, but he had no good WRs. And the O Line wasn't anything special.
Ehhh. From the games I saw and his stats they weren't all that different and that was with an HC and OC that knew what a passing game is.
Lol at you can't remember good throws
He was awful against ND. Which is even more why the play calling at the end was horrific
This goes back to they typical overreaction our fan base always has. He has a bad game...never made a good throw in his career.
Did you watch the game?
Allar did underperform that game. The WRs had no ability to create separation. ND's defense was elite. Our strength was the run game. Not going to OT there made zero sense.
You forgot McSorley…where he took a safety and made him into an NFL QB. He also did a lot with Clifford. Then you had Levis and Stevens who went on to start immediately at SEC schools….not like they had to sit a year and learn how to play under the superior SEC coaching.
Nope. You make it sound like they totally shut us down all game. Anyway, the bigger point is Allar was terrible all game.
Allar always looked emotionally and physically immature for what he was asked to do and James always looked like he didn’t expect the defense to adjust. If drew went to another school with a different coach and had two more years to play, he probably figures it out.
What are you talking about? I agree with you that "Allar did underperform that game" to which you then say, "the bigger point is Allar was terrible all game" which proves my point.
ND shut down our pass game but we were able to run on them which is why you play for OT. You come out in OT and feed Singleton and Allen and rely on the defense that held Love in check and had 2 picks.
Why are you trying to push the ball downfield when only Warren was a threat and, to your point, your QB was struggling?
You're making my argument for me.
First Allar was terrible so we agree on that. Second you have 40 seconds and two TOs so you can run and we did with Singleton for 13 yards to the 28 on the first play. You go to some high percentage throws, dump off to Singleton, run Kaytron, scheme Warren open... but at least try. You don't turtle up. Just nothing risky over the middle but of course that is that we do. You could even take a deep shot so if it is picked ND is buried in their end. Epic fail by Franklin, Kotelnicki and Allar.
That's not what we did though nor was Kotelnicki someone Frankljn should have trusted. Allar ran the plays designed and tried to make a play. That's what happens late in games when you put QBs in bad spots. That isn't just a BGJ criticism. That's true on many coaches
We saw McDermott make the asinine decision to try to get in FG range before the half with an elite QB which cost them 3 points and debatablely the game.
If Allar had been lighting it up you might take a risk but not with how he was playing and the fact OT would have favored us.
After we ran for 13 yards there was still close to 40 seconds and two TOs. Be smart and see what you can get. Tell Allar no forces but he made a mistake. In hindsight I wish we would have sat on it but us winning in OT was a toss up. Remember it was BGJ.
He was significantly more productive and explosive at Auburn.again...
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Somehow the same coach who let McSorely and Clifford play backyard ball was completely stifling to Hackenberg and Allar. Yawn. At some point, for a multi-year starter, it’s on them.
Anyone who’s watched football can tell that Hackenberg and Allar just weren’t instinctive players. Nothing any coach can do is going to make them “feel” the game the way a high level QB would.
But the physical traits are tantalizing and Allar will get drafted based on potential. Hopefully he figures it out and makes the most of his chance.
Anyone who’s watched football can tell that Hackenberg and Allar just weren’t instinctive players. Nothing any coach can do is going to make them “feel” the game the way a high level QB would.
But the physical traits are tantalizing and Allar will get drafted based on potential. Hopefully he figures it out and makes the most of his chance.
And BGJ made a mistake by trying to push the ball downfield in that situation. QBs make mistakes in those situations. Even the best. You add to that our lack or weapons, horrible play calling and a QB struggling you keep it on the ground. If you break a run great but you play for OT.
It is what it is but blaming Allar is like people who blame the goalie in hockey for everything. Allar played poorly. He rarely turned the ball over in his career (check the int rate) but was put in a position to fail. When that happens players typically do just that.