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Just HOW BAD was Franklin and O'Brien's coaching at the QB position?

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Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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How come the nfl teams can't fix most of their own qbs? Who is coaching them?
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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The Franklin Derangement Syndrome is real.
Drew has had personal QB coaches for a while. I will admit it will be interesting to see what he can do in the NFL. I think he will surprise.
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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Sometimes you can’t even lead a horse to water. Do you think that PSU’s coaches didn’t notice the same lack of fundamentals as most of us amateur coaches noticed and didn’t try to correct them? I don’t believe that. Allar just had a natural ceiling that he never could exceed. He also was incapable of making lesser offensive players better. In the end, despite some tantalizing physical attributes, he was just a mediocre Big 10 qb and nothing more.
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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I do believe the dynamic duo of O’Brien and Franklin ruined Allar’s development.

However, there is a huge assumption being made that all of Allar‘s shortcomings are physical.

I don’t think Allar’s has the killer mentality needed to get to the next level. He is too risk averse.
 
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Blair10 said:
I do believe the dynamic duo of O’Brien and Franklin ruined Allar’s development.

However, there is a huge assumption being made that all of Allar‘s shortcomings are physical.

I don’t think Allar’s has the killer mentality needed to get to the next level. He is too risk averse.
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He wasn't allowed to take risks under Franklin which is why he was averse to it.
Also, every time he did force a throw everyone complained so he can't win
 
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Blair10 said:
I do believe the dynamic duo of O’Brien and Franklin ruined Allar’s development.

However, there is a huge assumption being made that all of Allar‘s shortcomings are physical.

I don’t think Allar’s has the killer mentality needed to get to the next level. He is too risk averse.
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I think his lack of mental toughness was evident on too many occasions. I appreciate what he gave to the program and the fact that he was the qb for a lot of wins, but PSU won most of those games often in spite of him rather than because of him, with the rare exception such as the USC game.
 
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KingLando said:
He wasn't allowed to take risks under Franklin which is why he was averse to it.
Also, every time he did force a throw everyone complained so he can't win
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Based on when PSU needed him to be a little more risky, how did that end up? I’m thinking of INTs at the end of both Oregon games and the ND game, and even the ridiculous Int in the end zone against Northwestern this past season. If PSU had turned him loose even more, his Ints would’ve been much higher, and it’s questionable whether his td totals would’ve been much higher.
 
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dcf4psu said:
Where does O'Brien fit in to all this or am I missing something?
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He doesn’t. Some in the fanbase feel better if they trash him and Franklin.

Edit: I also didn’t realize that he meant Danny O’Brien. Perhaps the OP should put that in the title.
 
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LB99 said:
He doesn’t. Some in the fanbase feel better if they trash him and Franklin.

Edit: I also didn’t realize that he meant Danny O’Brien. Perhaps the OP should put that in the title.
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I'm not trashing anyone. The NFL coachess certainly are. Take it up with them in the draft.
 
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Based on when PSU needed him to be a little more risky, how did that end up? I’m thinking of INTs at the end of both Oregon games and the ND game, and even the ridiculous Int in the end zone against Northwestern this past season. If PSU had turned him loose even more, his Ints would’ve been much higher, and it’s questionable whether his td totals would’ve been much higher.
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The interception at the end of the Oregon game wasn't him taking a risk--he executed correctly and the WR failed
The pick at the end of the ND game was a poor decision--and he was put in a poor spot by Frankin's idiotic decision not to simply go to OT. We didn't have WRs capable to getting open.
The pick against NW happens to all QBs--it was a bad read and throw.
Now you're changing your argument with the last sentence.
The reality is, as this post shows, you're being unrealistic and just dislike him. That's your problem
 
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KingLando said:
The interception at the end of the Oregon game wasn't him taking a risk--he executed correctly and the WR failed
The pick at the end of the ND game was a poor decision--and he was put in a poor spot by Frankin's idiotic decision not to simply go to OT. We didn't have WRs capable to getting open.
The pick against NW happens to all QBs--it was a bad read and throw.
Now you're changing your argument with the last sentence.
The reality is, as this post shows, you're being unrealistic and just dislike him. That's your problem
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You are changing the argument too. You went from bad qb play to bad wr play and bad coaching decisions.

Ps. Were the wrs going to get better in ot?
 
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rigi19040 said:
You are changing the argument too. You went from bad qb play to bad wr play and bad coaching decisions.

Ps. Were the wrs going to get better in ot?
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This response makes no sense. The WRs weren't going to get better which is why that's on Franklin for not going to OT. He put the team (and Drew) in position to lose. The other poster complaining about the pick against Oregon proves my point; any play that wasn't safe Allar got blamed for even when he executed the play so it's not that he was averse to risk--it's was play-calling. The pick against Northwestern had nothing to do with anything--it was all the could come up with. Bad throw/happens to all QBs
 
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Efejle said:
I'm not trashing anyone. The NFL coachess certainly are. Take it up with them in the draft.
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First off, you are misleading with the O’Brien title. Secondly, the NFL coaches also once referred to Anthony Morelli as “the most undercoached QB prospect they had seen”. Morelli was long before the Franklin era.
 
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KingLando said:
He wasn't allowed to take risks under Franklin which is why he was averse to it.
Also, every time he did force a throw everyone complained so he can't win
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You wanted more risk.
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The interception at the end of the Oregon game wasn't him taking a risk--he executed correctly and the WR failed
The pick at the end of the ND game was a poor decision--and he was put in a poor spot by Frankin's idiotic decision not to simply go to OT. We didn't have WRs capable to getting open.
The pick against NW happens to all QBs--it was a bad read and throw.
Now you're changing your argument with the last sentence.
The reality is, as this post shows, you're being unrealistic and just dislike him. That's your problem
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You want less risk.

Make up your mind
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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lol. He was told this time and time again and his mental game isn’t there. If someone takes him in 2nd or 3rd round then they are crazy
 
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KingLando said:
The interception at the end of the Oregon game wasn't him taking a risk--he executed correctly and the WR failed
The pick at the end of the ND game was a poor decision--and he was put in a poor spot by Frankin's idiotic decision not to simply go to OT. We didn't have WRs capable to getting open.
The pick against NW happens to all QBs--it was a bad read and throw.
Now you're changing your argument with the last sentence.
The reality is, as this post shows, you're being unrealistic and just dislike him. That's your problem
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What about the awful pass he threw to the running back? Had Notre Dame on the ropes and he misses a wide open touchdown.

Anyway he is gone. Hope he has a successful pro career.
 
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I think O'Brien did a good job with Hack. Hack went down hill when Franklin got him.
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Hack's downfall was having to QB behind an offensive line that was the worst unit on the team. O'Brien didn't recruit offensive lineman and Franklin inherited a team without enough scholarship lineman to field a unit and had to convert defensive lineman.

Franklin got criticized for Hack's downfall but much of that was tied to running for his life and getting sacked over and over again.
 
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razpsu said:
lol. He was told this time and time again and his mental game isn’t there. If someone takes him in 2nd or 3rd round then they are crazy
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In the 3rd round, the Steelers take -- Drew Allar...............QB................Penn State...................
 
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BigBopper85 said:
Hack's downfall was having to QB behind an offensive line that was the worst unit on the team. O'Brien didn't recruit offensive lineman and Franklin inherited a team without enough scholarship lineman to field a unit and had to convert defensive lineman.

Franklin got criticized for Hack's downfall but much of that was tied to running for his life and getting sacked over and over again.
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In defense of O’Brien, it was a pick your poison world for PSU during the sanctions.
 
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Efejle said:
Forgive me for not having the link, but Dehjan Kocacevic from the Steelers podcast show was talking with NFL scouts about Drew Allar. Apparently according to the scouts that have been scouting Allar, the reason he misses so many easy throws so often was because his lower body was completely disjointed with his upper body when setting to throw. The NFL scouts alluded to being able to fix it rather easily with their coaching staffs. All indications are that Allar should be a second day pick up with many teams actually in line for the pick. They seem to agree that the problems are an easy fix and that Allar had either no coaching, or high school level coaching at Penn State.

Just wow. Feels like vindication does it not?
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Wow, I heard the same thing about Hack….how did the NFL coaches do with him?
 
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If the issue with Drew is/was mechanics, then it is fair, IMO, to also scrutinize Maendler, his personal QB coach (who also coaches Grunk and Falzone). I am more of a baseball guy and I can tell you it is becoming increasingly difficult to coach pitchers and hitters who have their own personal coach. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but if these guys go to the same coach for years, they presumably believe in that guy and that is who they are going to listen to. At some point, the team coaches, in this case PSU, almost have to defer to the personal QB coach or there is no way the relationships are going to work out.
 
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My buddy kept telling me, "The scouts" love this and that and it's all-PSU's fault, at the end of the day the kid probably just isn't as good as any of us thought he would/could be, it happens. The Josh Allen comparison is so lazy though, tall white kid with decent arm and athletic ability and they all expect him to be the same player, lol.
 
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Ceasar said:
If the issue with Drew is/was mechanics, then it is fair, IMO, to also scrutinize Maendler, his personal QB coach (who also coaches Grunk and Falzone). I am more of a baseball guy and I can tell you it is becoming increasingly difficult to coach pitchers and hitters who have their own personal coach. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but if these guys go to the same coach for years, they presumably believe in that guy and that is who they are going to listen to. At some point, the team coaches, in this case PSU, almost have to defer to the personal QB coach or there is no way the relationships are going to work out.
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Or maybe he was coached well by both the PSU coaches and his personal coach but just failed to apply the coaching that he received when he actually played; sometimes the player is to blame rather than the coaches. Like I said, it was apparent to all of us that he had poor mechanics on a lot of his throws, and I'm sure that the coaches noticed it and tried to correct it. If you ever analyzed his play, in almost every game, his mechanics would drift from excellent to poor from quarter to quarter. So, maybe the coaches actually coached him well but he just couldn't apply that coaching in a full game.
 
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steelman65 said:
What about the awful pass he threw to the running back? Had Notre Dame on the ropes and he misses a wide open touchdown.

Anyway he is gone. Hope he has a successful pro career.
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All QBs make bad throws. You get that right?
 
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BigBopper85 said:
Hack's downfall was having to QB behind an offensive line that was the worst unit on the team. O'Brien didn't recruit offensive lineman and Franklin inherited a team without enough scholarship lineman to field a unit and had to convert defensive lineman.

Franklin got criticized for Hack's downfall but much of that was tied to running for his life and getting sacked over and over again.
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Hack’s downfall was not having Alan Robinson around for the rest of his college career. There’s a reason he never saw the field as a professional.
 
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