Sure to the first. To the second, I would think we would know who is causing trouble because they are the ones causing the trouble and are captured. But sure.
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I don’t know a single person that’s anti any vaccine but Covid.
We don’t know the damn number genius. Why don’t you tell me the accurate account of illegal immigrants in America. We only know the numbers floated by the government. Those were anywhere from 10-30 million.
I don't want to derail this thread but I'm not going to sit back and allow you to lie through your teeth about this exchange like you do with everything else.
- Holding people accountable for their crimes, especially ones as egregious as Trump committed, is not "lawfare." It would have been judicial malpractice to not try and prosecute because you can't allow high crimes like these to go unpunished or become normalized.
- Smith DID NOT wiretap or track anyone, he received non-content, after the fact, toll records(metadata showing who was called, when and for how long). No judge had ever ruled that non-content 3rd party records are protected by the speech and debate clause. Plus, the subpoenas were secured with the concurrence of the Justice Department's Public Integrity Section. This is a common practice and not a violation just because that Texas douche said so.
- LMAO at your description of Smith when he has displayed the utmost integrity with a calm and forceful defense of the Trump prosecutions. They didn't lay a glove on him.
- He left no doubt that if the voters hadn't put Trump back in office, he would almost certainly have been convicted of multiple federal felonies.
- Just like you, the Republicans completely skirted talk of the actual crimes Trump committed, instead focusing on irrelevant accusations regarding the investigative process in an effort to appease Daddy King and show the appearance that they were going after the Special Counsel, because they knew it wasn't in their best interest to remind the country about Trump's conspiracy to overturn the election.
- I would advise you to watch the entirety of the hearings and the testimony Smith gave to the House Judiciary Committee before jumping to conclusions based on the partisan tweets that your dark algorithm feeds you.
I wasn't the one using a number every single day. But everywhere I can find 20mm is at the high end of most estimates for number of undocumented here period, so all of those having entered under Biden is a little far fetched. Sorry for thinking your hyperbole is ridiculous. There was a report put out by the GOP after 3 years of the administration that said 6.7mm. No idea if that was encounters or people released (encounters aren't all released, no matter what you want to say about open borders, AND people are very often counted more than once). When people have to make up or inflate their numbers to try to make their point (not like a rounding error, double), sort of makes everything else they say irrelevant.
I think you should do some research instead of fear mongering.
I've done plenty of research, thank you. Anti vaxxers are putting every child at unnecessary risk in the state of South carolina and it's despicable
the problem is the supreme court has given rights to people in the country illegally. Just look at the case of the 5 year old boy. His father filed for asylum. At that instant he has the right to stay in the US...from ai
- Migrants in the U.S. have the legal right to request asylum if they fear persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or social group, regardless of their manner of entry. Key rights include due process, protection from being returned to danger (non-refoulement), authorization to work while pending, and inclusion of spouse/children
even more:
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Core Rights of Asylum Seekers in the USA
- Right to Seek Asylum: Any person physically present in the U.S. or at a port of entry may apply for asylum, regardless of their country of origin or legal status.
- Protection from Removal (Non-Refoulement): Asylum seekers have the right not to be returned to a country where their life or freedom would be threatened.
- Due Process: Individuals are entitled to a fair hearing, the right to present evidence, and the right to legal counsel (at no expense to the government).
- Authorization to Work: Asylum seekers can apply for a work permit (Employment Authorization Document) while their application is pending, typically after a waiting period.
- Family Inclusion: Applicants can include a spouse and unmarried children under 21 who are present in the U.S. on their application.
- Protection Pending Review: Filing an application allows individuals to remain in the U.S. while their case is decided by USCIS or an immigration judge.
couple of thoughts...the 20 million...nobody knows if that's too low, too high or just right. Isn't that part of the problem if we don't know how many are here, we don't know who is here.
the concept that there are fewer homicides among undocumented people misses the concept that if the undocumented people weren't here, there would be zero homicides by undocumented people. It's similar but not exact to the gun argument...we have homicides using guns..the argument that if we had control on guns we wouldn't have homicides..
I don't know if this is true or not but indulge me. In Japan, if a visitor gets in a car accident they're automatically at fault because the accident wouldn't have happened if they weren't there. Does this seem reasonable to you?
Sure. If no one is here, the number is zero. But if that is the argument, there should be no need to twist things and vilify people. For the 20mm, agreed no one knows, but I am not regularly using a number as if it is the truth. And a lot of really smart people, on both sides of the arguments come up with estimates based on the best information available. And the total range varies a good bit. And 20mm in one four year term doesn't fit a single one. So if you're going to use a number as a fact (collective you, not you personally), it should at least be based on something.
What timing you have. Check this out.
A little primer on “asylum”:
1. There are no “asylum seekers” on the Southern Border. “Asylum” is limited to individuals fleeing extremely narrow categories of state persecution (eg high-ranking Soviet defectors during the Cold War) — none of the groups illegally crossing the border fit that criteria. No one in Mexico or Ecuador or Honduras etc live in nations where there is any state persecution of any protected class. It’s all fake, all the way down.
2. All non-Mexican illegals have transited through additional countries on the way to America where there are no forms of state persecution, thereby further disproving any hypothetical claim
3. As yet further proof the claims are fake, aliens turn down the opportunity to avoid this fabricated persecution by being safely resettled in another nation
4. Illegal aliens receive free and functionally unlimited legal services. When facing deportation, they and their lawyers (as a matter of course) automatically file fake asylum applications. It’s a multibillion dollar fraudulent industry. It’s gross, unethical, and deeply immoral. Everyone involved in this system understands and knows these claims are false. Adjudicating these knowingly false claims is a full-time job for thousands of people.
5. Federal law requires illegal aliens to be detained pending a hearing for their (fake) asylum claim. These are not prisons. They are not being punished. No one is being sentenced. Civil detention and removal is not part of the Article III justice system (in fact, Congress stripped Article III of jurisdiction over civil immigration procedure). The goal of the US government is to send aliens home immediately (they get cash and a free plane ticket) with the fewest days in custody as logistically possible. Any delay is caused by the fake asylum claim.
6. When the fake asylum claim is heard on the “non-detained” docket the illegal aliens rarely show for their hearings. Those few who do show stay in the country regardless after losing (unless placed into detention). Removal orders are ignored as a matter of course. If and when absconders are eventually found (at great time and expense) they still have to be detained to actually effectuate the removal. At this point in time their lawyers will file a motion to reopen their asylum claim or otherwise appeal the finding and seek release again. Regardless, no removal of any alien anywhere can occur unless in a detained setting. If the alien has children they are, by law, supposed to stay in a family residential center (that costs more per night than a high-end hotel, and includes full medical, dental, scholastic and other services).
7. Biden officials did not even bother with the pretext of performing intake interviews for the millions and millions and millions they released into the US. The aliens were simply released on sight, no questions asked, with court dates years away, in the hope and expectation that by the time their fake asylum claims were adjudicated and rejected years later, Democrats would be able to scream that these illegals have now lived here for X years and they and their children must be allowed to stay at our permanent expense. No one in the prior Administration responsible for these decisions actually believed the or now this has anything to do with asylum. To them, it is just useful propaganda in service of infinite mass migration.
Fair enough. Call it 10 million, that’s agreeable seemingly. I’ve posted the statistics numerous times. CIS says 54% of homes with immigrant head of household are on some taxpayer subsidy - and that 54% includes legal and naturalized residents as well as illegals. Why in the hell as a nation would we want to take in 10 million people that at best 5,400,000 end up on welfare when it takes 3 working people paying taxes to provide for one person on average that gets a taxpayer subsidy. No one can answer that because it’s national suicide. These arent people that will contribute generally (not doctors and policeman). The only countries doing this psychotic stuff are the ones in Europe, and it’s collapsing. Something like 35 people a day in the UK are being arrested for social media posts related to immigrants. It’s complete insanity.
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The immigrant detention center in Dilley, Texas, which gained notoriety last week for holding Minnesota resident 5-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos and his father, is now the site of an active measles outbreak. At least two detainees have confirmed infections, according to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
Where did you copy this from? There are lots of other countries, including from South America and Central America where asylum is granted.
This is riddled with falsehoods.
10 million is still way too high by about double but when has the truth mattered to you?
Your numbers are not correct. There is a report that 59% of homes with undocumented immigrants as head of household use a taxpayer subsidy.
That is not documented immigrants or naturalized citizens. You seem quite confused by the entire subject and per usual wind yourself up into hysteria.
Also think about the upward mobility for someone who does not have legal status in the country.
Lastly, immigrants aren’t the reason you are so unhappy with the country/economy/your life. It’s an easy scapegoat for yourself to blame someone other than the real issue.
He's unhappy that he pays 50% in taxes. Just ask him about it.
I'm not sure why that's relevant. If they weren't there, the accident wouldn't have happen. Right?
Let's pretend for a moment that their legal status matters. Is it ok to murder an illegal immigrant because if the immigrant wasn't there, that bullet would have just flown off into the distance?
I’m not sure how you correlate wanting my taxes to go to Americans as unhappy. It’s really just a matter of understanding we don’t have an endless supply of money and these people aren’t contributing. It’s about conserving our way of life for our children.
As for the numbers. Well, here they are, straight from google. I guess take that up with them. Because you sir, are wrong. Dead WRONG.
Household-level data (most common way reported, from 2022–2024 SIPP analyses):
• About 54% of immigrant-headed households (including naturalized citizens) used at least one major welfare program, compared to 39% of U.S.-born households (CIS analysis of 2022 data).
• For non-citizen-headed households (legal and illegal), the rate was around 59%.
• For illegal immigrant-headed households specifically, estimates are around 59–60% using at least one program (often via citizen children, EITC/CTC cash refunds, food programs, or Medicaid for kids).
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of course, I agree. if the number is 20 million then it must include people for a lot more than 4 years. here's my thing...I'm all for legal immigration...and we need(Ed) more than we we letting in. And, since we have so many here, we should create some system for vetting so that we can let some stay. In spite of the legalities of people being here, we should adopt some of the policies supported by both parties - pay a fine, pay back taxes etc., then give them Visa, work permits....make everything legal. It makes no sense, to me at least, to deport a family that has been here illegally for 20 years, has raised a family, has a job etc. There are plenty of undocumented people who don't meet those characteristics to deport.
in the case of the murderers, rapists....I know in my case, I never considered that every illegal migrant fell into those categories. That's ridiculous. But, Trump was right when he said that those kinds of people were coming. He was either purposely or erroneously categorizing every migrant that way. He has a way of doing that.....
Stephen Miller not knowing the rules of asylum is incredibly apropos for someone as stupid and evil as he is.
I don't disagree the system is f'ed up...and I think just about everyone (but not all) would agree it's f'd up. Just for example, there is some kind of a "law" that migrants escaping persecution are supposed to request asylum in the first country they enter. Well we know that's not happening. but here's the thing WE DON'T ENFORCE the rules/laws. We use the Flaw theory of selective enforcement. That's what's sort of crazy...one administration turns the other way, and the next tries to go backward to enforce what wasn't.
We are constrained by ruling of the supreme court. We are demanding that ICE follow the laws, but we (some of us) ignore the other side of the issue, I.e., that migrants follow the rules. We have become a "wishy washy" society that picks and chooses what laws to follow depending on which party is in power..JMO
We need, and have needed for 30 years, an immigration policy that benefits the USA and satisfies our ingrained humanitarian culture.
that will be good if they have the measles and carry it back to Mn
Better than relying on my wife to tell me how to think and provide for me cuck. I always wondered why your positions match 50 year old single cat ladies.
I have it on good authority from our resident measles expert @tigres88 that this outbreak is from dumb, white, redneck Americans in Spartanburg County, not illegals from the third world. Please edit your post.
your hypotheticals are really really good...
here's my answers....it's relevant only in that if the country's laws allow the visitor, then he's allowed to be there..in the case I presented the visitor wasn't supposed/allowed to be there. another side of your question is that if the japanese driver had a doctors appointment he wouldn't be there and the accident wouldn't have happened either.
In the second case, if he wasn't there, then he couldn't have been murdered. But he was there and it's never OK to murder someone.