Cael Sanderson releases a cookie: Cael's Cookie

WaffleShopper said:

Just tried one before my workout later this afternoon. It’s pretty good! It’s better than most mass produced cookies like Keebler or Chips Ahoy although I’m not really a fan of those anyway. If you’re comparing it to your favorite homemade cookie it might be a 6/10 and not worth the price but for workout fuel it’s probably 9/10.

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1. You need to beware of the duplicity of calling an ingredient "organic." Saying that the cookie contains organic cane and coconut sugar is tantamount to saying our rat poison is organic.

lionlover said:

Personally, even for workout food, I would choose something different. Aside from the the sugar bomb attributes, there are other negatives with this product:

1. You need to beware of the duplicity of calling an ingredient "organic." Saying that the cookie contains organic cane and coconut sugar is tantamount to saying our rat poison is organic.

If you want a truly healthy sugar, you should be eating Allulose or Monk Fruit for the best no carb alternative. If you want some carbs, use unsulphured black strap molasses or buckwheat honey in moderation. But for
xrist sakes, ditch the cane sugar whether it's organic or not.

2. The "organic kamut flour" should be skipped regardless of its moniker as an "ancient grain." Yes Kamut flour is
a better option than Robin Hood flour, but its a lesser of two evils scenario. They are both wheat products that
contain "lectins." Lectins can lead to a leaky gut and are inflammatory. Go with flours like Millet or Sorghum.
They have zero lectins.

3. The organic almond butter also has lectins in it, but the organic coconut oil does not. I am neutral on the palm
shortening. Palm shortening is much more stable than palm oil.

4. The last one is a little tricky. Flax seed is a super food, but it oxidizes very rapidly. Since I am not aware of their flax processing, I am always leery of this product outside of my control.

5. Just some food for thought...

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lionlover said:

Personally, even for workout food, I would choose something different. Aside from the the sugar bomb attributes, there are other negatives with this product:

1. You need to beware of the duplicity of calling an ingredient "organic." Saying that the cookie contains organic cane and coconut sugar is tantamount to saying our rat poison is organic.

If you want a truly healthy sugar, you should be eating Allulose or Monk Fruit for the best no carb alternative. If you want some carbs, use unsulphured black strap molasses or buckwheat honey in moderation. But for
xrist sakes, ditch the cane sugar whether it's organic or not.

2. The "organic kamut flour" should be skipped regardless of its moniker as an "ancient grain." Yes Kamut flour is
a better option than Robin Hood flour, but its a lesser of two evils scenario. They are both wheat products that
contain "lectins." Lectins can lead to a leaky gut and are inflammatory. Go with flours like Millet or Sorghum.
They have zero lectins.

3. The organic almond butter also has lectins in it, but the organic coconut oil does not. I am neutral on the palm
shortening. Palm shortening is much more stable than palm oil.

4. The last one is a little tricky. Flax seed is a super food, but it oxidizes very rapidly. Since I am not aware of their flax processing, I am always leery of this product outside of my control.

5. Just some food for thought...

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JoeBagobagels said:

I'm 62 years old and I work out regularly and every day I'll have a decent size bowl of vanilla ice cream, Turkey Hill all natural with added berries on top.

So far I haven't died.

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JoeBagobagels said:

I'm 62 years old and I work out regularly and every day I'll have a decent size bowl of vanilla ice cream, Turkey Hill all natural with added berries on top.

So far I haven't died.

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JoeBagobagels said:

I'm 62 years old and I work out regularly and every day I'll have a decent size bowl of vanilla ice cream, Turkey Hill all natural with added berries on top.

So far I haven't died.

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lionlover said:

Personally, even for workout food, I would choose something different. Aside from the the sugar bomb attributes, there are other negatives with this product:

1. You need to beware of the duplicity of calling an ingredient "organic." Saying that the cookie contains organic cane and coconut sugar is tantamount to saying our rat poison is organic.

If you want a truly healthy sugar, you should be eating Allulose or Monk Fruit for the best no carb alternative. If you want some carbs, use unsulphured black strap molasses or buckwheat honey in moderation. But for
xrist sakes, ditch the cane sugar whether it's organic or not.

2. The "organic kamut flour" should be skipped regardless of its moniker as an "ancient grain." Yes Kamut flour is
a better option than Robin Hood flour, but its a lesser of two evils scenario. They are both wheat products that
contain "lectins." Lectins can lead to a leaky gut and are inflammatory. Go with flours like Millet or Sorghum.
They have zero lectins.

3. The organic almond butter also has lectins in it, but the organic coconut oil does not. I am neutral on the palm
shortening. Palm shortening is much more stable than palm oil.

4. The last one is a little tricky. Flax seed is a super food, but it oxidizes very rapidly. Since I am not aware of their flax processing, I am always leery of this product outside of my control.

5. Just some food for thought...

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one8alpha said:

Damn, I dont think he was touting it some superfood. Its high calorie and full of quick energy. Digests easy. I wonder what that would be good for.

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Nitlion1986 said:

Ice cream and berries, can't go wrong with that combination.

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HOA242n! said:

I do clinical research on this stuff for a living, along with treating/educating patients with metabolic dysfunction. I've lived enough life to realize that most people don't care (like, at all) and it's none of my business unless I am treating them or it impacts me in some other way. I'm not buying any Cael's cookies, even if I have a long training ride or hike. I'm glad others are enjoying them.

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one8alpha said:

Damn, I dont think he was touting it some superfood. Its high calorie and full of quick energy. Digests easy. I wonder what that would be good for.

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lionlover said:

Actually...berries are a great food if eaten in moderation of course. They are lower in sugar, loaded with fiber and polyphenols.

Here's the downside: Any time you combine animal milk product to the fruit, you prevent the majority of those polyphenols from being absorbed into the body.

Essentially, the animal fat forms a barrier around the polyphenols that prevents them from being absorbed.

The workaround is to eat non animal dairy when combining it with berries. This will allow your body to absorb the polyphenols.

You may not give a **** about the polyphenols. If so, just continue to do your thing. But, if you were eating the berries for their antioxidant benefits, just know that you aren't getting the full benefit by combining it with animal dairy.

@JoeBagobagels

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LostInTransition said:

Who's the genius that decided to call this frankenfood "non animal dairy?" By definition, dairy is an animal product.

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HOA242n! said:

I do clinical research on this stuff for a living, along with treating/educating patients with metabolic dysfunction. I've lived enough life to realize that most people don't care (like, at all) and it's none of my business unless I am treating them or it impacts me in some other way. I'm not buying any Cael's cookies, even if I have a long training ride or hike. I'm glad others are enjoying them.

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lionlover said:

Actually...berries are a great food if eaten in moderation of course. They are lower in sugar, loaded with fiber and polyphenols.

Here's the downside: Any time you combine animal milk product to the fruit, you prevent the majority of those polyphenols from being absorbed into the body.

Essentially, the animal fat forms a barrier around the polyphenols that prevents them from being absorbed.

The workaround is to eat non animal dairy when combining it with berries. This will allow your body to absorb the polyphenols.

You may not give a **** about the polyphenols. If so, just continue to do your thing. But, if you were eating the berries for their antioxidant benefits, just know that you aren't getting the full benefit by combining it with animal dairy.

@JoeBagobagels

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Split Shot said:

Have you ever tried TH All Natural with Maple syrup on it? Not as healthy as berries, but very good.

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Nitlion1986 said:

Ice cream and berries, can't go wrong with that combination.

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trufan said:

Ice cream is very high in fat, and berries are covered in toxic pesticides.
Always remember....nothing is good for you

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Nitlion1986 said:

My berries are not covered with toxic pesticides.
The ice cream is either the creamery or Meyer dairy ice cream, all with too much fat.

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JoeBagobagels said:

I'm 62 years old and I work out regularly and every day I'll have a decent size bowl of vanilla ice cream, Turkey Hill all natural with added berries on top.

So far I haven't died.

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psumac said:

give it time...

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lionlover said:

Actually...berries are a great food if eaten in moderation of course. They are lower in sugar, loaded with fiber and polyphenols.

Here's the downside: Any time you combine animal milk product to the fruit, you prevent the majority of those polyphenols from being absorbed into the body.

Essentially, the animal fat forms a barrier around the polyphenols that prevents them from being absorbed.

The workaround is to eat non animal dairy when combining it with berries. This will allow your body to absorb the polyphenols.

You may not give a **** about the polyphenols. If so, just continue to do your thing. But, if you were eating the berries for their antioxidant benefits, just know that you aren't getting the full benefit by combining it with animal dairy.

@JoeBagobagels

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lionlover said:

Personally, even for workout food, I would choose something different. Aside from the the sugar bomb attributes, there are other negatives with this product:

1. You need to beware of the duplicity of calling an ingredient "organic." Saying that the cookie contains organic cane and coconut sugar is tantamount to saying our rat poison is organic.

If you want a truly healthy sugar, you should be eating Allulose or Monk Fruit for the best no carb alternative. If you want some carbs, use unsulphured black strap molasses or buckwheat honey in moderation. But for
xrist sakes, ditch the cane sugar whether it's organic or not.

2. The "organic kamut flour" should be skipped regardless of its moniker as an "ancient grain." Yes Kamut flour is
a better option than Robin Hood flour, but its a lesser of two evils scenario. They are both wheat products that
contain "lectins." Lectins can lead to a leaky gut and are inflammatory. Go with flours like Millet or Sorghum.
They have zero lectins.

3. The organic almond butter also has lectins in it, but the organic coconut oil does not. I am neutral on the palm
shortening. Palm shortening is much more stable than palm oil.

4. The last one is a little tricky. Flax seed is a super food, but it oxidizes very rapidly. Since I am not aware of their flax processing, I am always leery of this product outside of my control.

5. Just some food for thought...

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Nitlion1986 said:

My berries are not covered with toxic pesticides.
The ice cream is either the creamery or Meyer dairy ice cream, all with too much fat.

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Split Shot said:

Have you ever tried TH All Natural with Maple syrup on it? Not as healthy as berries, but very good.

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lionlover said:

Actually...berries are a great food if eaten in moderation of course. They are lower in sugar, loaded with fiber and polyphenols.

Here's the downside: Any time you combine animal milk product to the fruit, you prevent the majority of those polyphenols from being absorbed into the body.

Essentially, the animal fat forms a barrier around the polyphenols that prevents them from being absorbed.

The workaround is to eat non animal dairy when combining it with berries. This will allow your body to absorb the polyphenols.

You may not give a **** about the polyphenols. If so, just continue to do your thing. But, if you were eating the berries for their antioxidant benefits, just know that you aren't getting the full benefit by combining it with animal dairy.

@JoeBagobagels

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trufan said:

Ice cream is very high in fat, and berries are covered in toxic pesticides.
Always remember....nothing is good for you

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truth-and-reason said:

most people should worry much more about their sugar/carbohydrate intake than fat intake. As we age, generally the share of calories should increase for protein and decrease for carbohydrates. Strength training will work wonders on your body and all of the sub-systems within it. Good rule of thumb for processed foods like this - look for at least a 50/50 balance of grams of sugar to grams of protein but much better would be a 2:1 ratio or better with protein being the higher number.

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JoeBagobagels said:

Mt grandmother died at 93 and cooked with lard, she however did not drink or smoke. My dad smoked and died and 83. His aunt, my grandmother's sister died at 100. Both didn't work out, they just didn't get too fat and ate moderately. Apple pie , chicken or beef pot pie, sticky buns were a common thing for us. And fresh vegetables and home raised meat.

My fat grandmother died at 87. Her husband died at 67 but he worked in the mines and smoked. Most of my family live long lives unless they smoked. So I have the genetics and don't get too fat while staying active. I'll eat pizza, steak, and some snacks but control my calories overall. So I'm not very worried about things since I'm not on any meds for anything at this time.

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lionlover said:

Actually...berries are a great food if eaten in moderation of course. They are lower in sugar, loaded with fiber and polyphenols.

Here's the downside: Any time you combine animal milk product to the fruit, you prevent the majority of those polyphenols from being absorbed into the body.

Essentially, the animal fat forms a barrier around the polyphenols that prevents them from being absorbed.

The workaround is to eat non animal dairy when combining it with berries. This will allow your body to absorb the polyphenols.

You may not give a **** about the polyphenols. If so, just continue to do your thing. But, if you were eating the berries for their antioxidant benefits, just know that you aren't getting the full benefit by combining it with animal dairy.

@JoeBagobagels

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JoeBagobagels said:

Mt grandmother died at 93 and cooked with lard, she however did not drink or smoke. My dad smoked and died and 83. His aunt, my grandmother's sister died at 100. Both didn't work out, they just didn't get too fat and ate moderately. Apple pie , chicken or beef pot pie, sticky buns were a common thing for us. And fresh vegetables and home raised meat.

My fat grandmother died at 87. Her husband died at 67 but he worked in the mines and smoked. Most of my family live long lives unless they smoked. So I have the genetics and don't get too fat while staying active. I'll eat pizza, steak, and some snacks but control my calories overall. So I'm not very worried about things since I'm not on any meds for anything at this time.

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JoeBagobagels said:

Don't smoke, don't get too fat, stay active and mobile, don't drink more than minimally and pray you have good genetics.

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lionlover said:

My great ,great grandfather smoked every day and drank a fifth of whiskey about every two weeks. He lived to be 99.

Moral of the story? If that SOB had any will power, he would have broke the 100 mark!

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HOA242n! said:

My wife's maternal grandfather died last year at 101. He was morbidly obese (genuinely 350+), insanely diabetic (regular A1c >12.5%), and smoked and drank daily until his mid-80's. He loved harassing his granddaughter's husband about his "science". The wife's paternal grandparents are still alive, both in great health in their late 90's - although they weren't drinkers/smokers, they hardly had "healthy" lifestyles. In my line of work I just deal with too many people with zero quality of life (or dying) before even reaching 40 to not care about what I put in my mouth and how I move my body. With her genes and lifestyle, my wife is probably good til 150. None of my grandparents even reached their mid-60s and both my grandfathers were health nuts before that was a thing, so my clock is ticking.

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JoeBagobagels said:

I totally understand, but I'm talking about totality of what I do. First I do not agree with many nutritional guidelines such as the food pyramid.

Over the years every time I've seen a new for example cholesterol medicine come out I've seen the guidelines lowered.

I've seen multiple people have fairly severe side effects from statins.

So I'll maintain it, don't get too fat. My baddie fat is good for a person of my age at 62, I'm not ripped with visible abs but I'm fairly leans. My cardiovascular fitness is also good for my age as is my strength and mobility. I do not smoke, I don't overheat, and if I drink it it's very moderately and that's not very common.

Right now my pulse rate is 65 while I type this. And again I'm not on meds. I can dead lift more than twice my weight and my age which is over 400 pounds, I could put on a 40 pound plate carrier and go for a 3 to 5 mile walk including some hill climbs, and I could blow through my interval training workouts on a stair machine.

And I don't listen to doctors very much , I still remember when they told me weight training was bad for my knees approximately 45 to 50 years ago. Fast-forward to 52 when I ruptured a patella tendon and they took x-rays of my knee and the doctor was amazed that I had no arthritis in them. That was proper weight training and mobility work.

Fast-forward another seven or eight years when I tore a meniscus while training, the MRI showed no arthritis in my knee. I treated the meniscus myself with some exercises I found online.

I believe it taking care of my health in house, not outsourcing it unless it's necessary.

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Nitlion1986 said:

What do you have for difficult to control type II diabetes
I walk regularly but have struggled for 2 years to get to regularly lifting.

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