i think hes 19 im hearing rumors they want him to do 4 straight years, wouldnt be suprised if he gets 5 of the best big ten opponents next year and they keep red shirt
Wrestling Top NJ recruit, former Cornell commit Anthony Knox commits to Rutgers Wrestling
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True …but Grey was largely running practices and working with the wrestlers especially Vito and Yianni. The fact that Cornell is still a powerhouse in the age of NIL is a miracle and largely due to Grey.
So technically he really wasn't a student at cornell and had the availability to do a gap year. Wow that really worked in his favor. I'm hearing that they want him to do straight four years with no red shirt. Is there any truth or merit to that? Does anybody know what's going on with oliveiri? I got secondhand info from a friend of mine , but i'm hearing he might get dismissed from the team. Number one I certainly hope that's not true. number two , if true , I can't even imagine what he did.
“It’s going to be electric”: How one of the most decorated wrestlers in N.J. history picked Rutgers
“It’s going to be electric”: How one of the most decorated wrestlers in N.J. history picked Rutgers
Controversial four-time state champion Anthony Knox will be wrestling at Rutgers after his de-commitment from Cornell.
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Four-Time State Champion Anthony Knox Signs with Wrestling
Four-Time State Champion Anthony Knox Signs with Wrestling - Rutgers University Athletics
PISCATAWAY, N.J. – Four-time NJSIAA State Champion Anthony Knox has signed to compete with Rutgers wrestling. The No. 1 overall recruit in his weight class o...
You mentioned Grey overworking and added Yanni into the conversation, that's what I responded to. Plus what Aldo says above, if it's true.
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Thats crazy. My buddy's daughter is graduating college this year and she's 21. The problem is, is that the NJSIAA is totally overrun by the parents in new jersey.
Just about every Cornell recruit does a “grey shirt” year at Finger Lakes (yes, Grey shirt after Mike since he was the first to do what is essentially an Ivy gap year). They compete/train under Spartan and take classes. Then apply to Cornell and are usually automatically granted admission unless there is an issue. UPenn is apparently requiring wrestlers to take a gap year before entering college. Princeton wrestlers usually do a gap year somewhere along the way.
They take those gap years , if they are not automatically academically eligible, right? I would assume the kids with excellent grades and wrestling stats automatically get into the school.
Total BS, guess my nephew got over $200,000 from Brown to play baseball because he was a scholar (he was not) & his parents are well off, Princeton counter offered with $210,000 but he wanted to go away to school, not stay in NJ. They said is was a grant, not a scholarship, to be used to pay for tuition & room & board even though, at the time it did not cost that much for the four years, he left with a great education & no debt, thanks to baseball.
If accepted, the Ivies allow you to defer admission for a year although it requires formal request/approval. Pretty sure this is what UPenn/Princeton now doing to push gap years. Cornell is different in the respect wrestlers attend FLCC and then apply for transfer admission to Cornell.
No chance. Ivies only offer need-based grants which is what your nephew likely got. It’s purely a numbers game. You can look it up the rules are clear. Ivies are pushing NIL collectives more now and there are some players making money but Ivy rules say no pay-to-play and if it’s over $2K the school has to review it and player has to sign an attestation of independence. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some monkey-business, especially parents that own small businesses and hide assets, paying themselves $0 on paper to qualify for grants.
Ivy’s have been paying athletes for generations. It’s hilarious grants versus scholarships. Stipends instead of work study. And guaranteed high paying internships. The fact that people deny this is going on is incredible.
Sure, “paying athletes for generations” yet the Ivies have largely struggled to compete until more recently in certain non-rev sports like lax. If the Ivies were cheating and paying athletes they would dominate every sport considering their alumni bases and billion dollar endowments. BTW, the stipends are a joke and largely for working summer camps. Internships are legit but you still need the grades and it can’t be pay-to-play. Nobody is going to risk lying on an attestation and the Ivy coaches won’t risk losing their job over it. Those coaches are not expected to win NCs so the AD pressure isn’t there and not worth it.
No that’s not how it works. Ivys compete for athletes and sports amongst themselves. It’s not about fielding the best football/ basketball teams nation wide. It’s about fielding the best teams in the Ivy and the “country club sports”. Ice hockey, lax, wrestling a more recent phenomenon.
You’re thinking this has anything to do with “general student aid”. This is not financial aid. These are grants administered by the university. Funded by the endowment many earmarked to specific sports and by alumni of those sports. The grants are usually titled friends of xxxxx. Not federal grants.
I had many interns from ivys over the years. Mostly athletes( hockey, lacrosse,football,tennis). Many of the hockey lacrosse couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Not only were they not qualified for IVY general admin but definitely not qualified for the internship. They also double dipped. Internship pay and stipend from benefactors to subsidize their studies and living expense fees.
yes so was kyle dake and jordan oliver... then those guys left, yianni was number 2 in the world now he cant make world team, yianni is 26 not 30... let that sink in, dakeleft for peen state the year yianni took second hasnt been on team since, if you think losing guys liek dake oliver and koll and being left with mike grey doesnt negatively effect things your crazy, bet you knox jumps a level as soon as hes out of there. best thing that happen to the kid
greys guys are all hurt bud, yianni vitp unger greg diakmaholis cornella delgatta perentin the list goes on and on . thats like 9 surgeries right there prob more
no the whole class did, perentin is a genius like 1400 on sats he did greyshirt too.
Considering I’ve been through the Ivy recruiting process twice and have a family member on a current Ivy team this idea that grants are earmarked for sports and paid to athletes outside of the Ivy financial aid process is completely false. You are correct in the respect there are plenty of Ivy athletes that if not for a sport would have zero chance at admission…zero chance at the top internships…but there is no pay day outside of joke stipends and NIL collectives. Now if you are an athlete and fall under the financial aid threshold it’s a massive win.
It’s wrestling - guys are hurt up and down D1 rosters. Perentin is still doing his Grey shirt and not even at Cornell. Cornella is back and looks great. Greg D has been hurt forever but he’s back. Have you looked at how many kids missed NJ states last year due to surgeries, or had surgery in offseason? Guys like Canova committed to Princeton yet hasn’t wrestled states since freshman year due to season ending surgeries. It’s not Grey it’s a brutal sport on the body and now kids wrestle 24/7/365.
Considering I went through the process. Have had multiple friends play in the Ivy. Had multiple colleagues and work mates ( who played dating back to the 70’s to recent years) and have had multiple interns for 20+ years and we all have the same story. I will stick to my first hand knowledge.
Sounds good unfortunately not true. If pay-to-play and fake grants existed in the Ivies they would dominate just about every D1 sport. Anyway we can move on.
Absolutely is true sounds like your family member doesn’t play a sport that garners the money. Therefore relies on financial aid. Or the person qualifies for aid without offering grants. Why do you keep saying pay to play and fake grants? They’re not fake grants. They are real grants. Granted to athletes. Part of the grant, because it’s not a scholarship per se, includes living expenses. And those living expenses are greatly increased. It’s not pay to play. Dominating in every sport? Shite Ivy football doesn’t have spring practice until recent years and doesn’t get involved in FCS playoffs. They still want a quasi academic approach. Again it’s not about dominating national rankings. It’s bragging at the firm, country club and winning the Ivy.
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hope this helps you - pay special attention to “extra benefits” and feel free to look at the Ivy League by-laws too which specifically address financial aid/grants:
NCAA Rules: A Guide for Ivy Alumni and Friends of Athletics - Ivy League
Ivy League alumni are proud of the standards of excellence in academics and athletics that are a tradition of each institution. Of equal value is the fact that student-athletes
ivyleague.com
or this article which made a lot of Ivy athletes unhappy
Ivy League to begin policing NIL deals over $2,000 to distance itself from ‘pay-for-play’ era
Ivy League athletic departments are now required to sign off on outside NIL payments to athletes of over $2,000.
www.thedp.com
Penn is starting to push the envelope now with their new NIL collective which has pissed off the conference.
but sorry there is no special grants regardless of the sport.
Pretty much every Cornell recruit goes Finger Lakes now even those that got the golden ticket to the business school as part of recruitment
Cool. Extra benefits? I read it and that’s standard boiler plate for any athletic department regarding boosters. Did you not read the article you posted?Athletes are given preferential treatment everywhere. IVY no scholarships, but they will give grants. Which also include food and living expenses above tuition. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.hope this helps you - pay special attention to “extra benefits” and feel free to look at the Ivy League by-laws too which specifically address financial aid/grants:
NCAA Rules: A Guide for Ivy Alumni and Friends of Athletics - Ivy League
Ivy League alumni are proud of the standards of excellence in academics and athletics that are a tradition of each institution. Of equal value is the fact that student-athletes
or this article which made a lot of Ivy athletes unhappy
Ivy League to begin policing NIL deals over $2,000 to distance itself from ‘pay-for-play’ era
Ivy League athletic departments are now required to sign off on outside NIL payments to athletes of over $2,000.
Penn is starting to push the envelope now with their new NIL collective which has pissed off the conference.
but sorry there is no special grants regardless of the sport.
They give similar grants to exceptional students and students with specific talents. And these grants include stipends for things such as food, rent, clothes, technology.
And the second article is about NIL. I never once mentioned NIL. This has always been about grants from the university. Not from public or private collectives.
Just texted buddy. lax Princeton early 90’s asked him what his grant was titled. Because we used to joke about it all the time. It was “Friends from 69”. The lax team ( and various other teams eating clubs etc…) would endow grants (scholarships) for their specific entity through the endowment. They are giant pissing contests among alumni. Don’t know what else to tell you. If you don’t know. I can’t help you. It’s fairly common knowledge.hope this helps you - pay special attention to “extra benefits” and feel free to look at the Ivy League by-laws too which specifically address financial aid/grants:
NCAA Rules: A Guide for Ivy Alumni and Friends of Athletics - Ivy League
Ivy League alumni are proud of the standards of excellence in academics and athletics that are a tradition of each institution. Of equal value is the fact that student-athletes
or this article which made a lot of Ivy athletes unhappy
Ivy League to begin policing NIL deals over $2,000 to distance itself from ‘pay-for-play’ era
Ivy League athletic departments are now required to sign off on outside NIL payments to athletes of over $2,000.
Penn is starting to push the envelope now with their new NIL collective which has pissed off the conference.
but sorry there is no special grants regardless of the sport.
This cant be true. What's next? Parochial high schools dont recruit players?
Don’t get it. It’s been obvious for over 50 years regarding the ivys.This cant be true. What's next? Parochial high schools dont recruit players?
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Some reason I started thinking about Bouzakis’s hs credentials.. he was #2 recruit.. and yeah he won 3 S32 and all those freestyle results. I remember Leonard drooling over the possibility of recruiting Bouzakis before he commited to Ohio state. Was Bouzakis viewed as a better hs prospect than Knox prior to college?
Then I started thinking has Bouzakis underperformed relative to his expectations? I was wondering why he went 133 his first two years and it seems he chose to go 133 instead of 125 bc at 125 was only heiselman and Mccrone, both never AA, so I believe Bouzakis chose to 133.. and he hasn’t had any inj im aware of. He only went 125 this year bc of Davino and seems he locked in.
If Bouzakis went to RU and didn’t AA his first two years would RU staff be blamed for that? That he didn’t “fulfill” his potential? Did Bouzakis have the same expectations as Knox does coming into college?? If Knox, for some reason, doesn’t AA his first two years like Bouzakis will the staff at RU be blamed? Some will say Bouzakis hasn’t AA’d yet bc he went 133.. well looking at Ohio state’s roster it seems like that was totally Bouzakis’s choice. It’s not like they had Spencer Lee manning 125 so he was forced to 133. I mean it feels like everyone is penciling Knox as a guaranteed 4xAA but wasn’t this the same view of Bouzakis?
I know first rounders in the PLL from Ivies that never got a dime and said whatever your buddy told you is def not the case today and has never been as far as they know. Could there have been secret bags of alumni cash - sure, who knows, anything is possible. But no “athletic grants” earmarked for sports as you suggest.
Preferred admission, joke GPAs/SATs, stipends for working camps, great internships, but not much else. LOL - the Ivies typically won’t even pay for recruiting visits because they can only pay for one, so they use it to bring the entire recruiting class to campus for a weekend after everyone commits.
Just look at certain line-ups. SJR won the state championship thanks to an OK commit they borrowed for one year from SPP. Totally ridiculousThis cant be true. What's next? Parochial high schools dont recruit players?
the rumor is bousakis didnt want to go 125 bcuz he liked to party, which is prob why he didnt perform. AT 125 he cant party and looks like the recruit they all thought he was . Anthony is really really good man, and hes beaten guys a lot better then bousakis beat, knox has beaten blaze lilledhal davino seidle, castillo , deluca, both cortez brothers , rainey desmond, ronnie ramirez, also alot of these guys liek a basset like a jax were wrestling college at a much younger age i believe anthony and his dad didnt want to add more matches to keep him fresher for now and as far as that match it was razor thin and anthony could of won it was a close match and anthony first college match ever. knox is going over seas and competing against all senior level athletes over next few months win llose or draw hes comign back alot better at wrestling
What are you talking about bags of cash? Now you’re just getting twisted in your own head. I never said anything about any of that. This is about scholarships/grants and living expenses. But I’m glad you actually included the first line in the second paragraph. Because that is what was meant and described earlier as extra benefits. Not bags of cash. Only pay for one visit? Yea up until last year when the rules were changed. No one was allowed to pay for more than one visit”official” visit.
There is no such thing as an athletic grant at any Ivy League institution - period. It’s all need based which also applies to living expenses. If there are sources of athletic money as you suggest it has nothing to do with the AD or Admissions and would violate Ivy League By-Laws unless from an NIL collective and approved if over $2K.
The point w/ recruiting visits is that most Ivies will not even pay for the initial recruiting visit (which pisses off some recruits). You pay your own way and then if you commit they bring the entire committed class back at a later date which is then paid for.