Minnesota - ICE Agent Shoots Woman Protester In Car - Happened Again - Both Justified

TigerGrowls

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It seems like the libs feel this is a glorified cos play game with no consequences. They should be back to reality hopefully after today. A tragedy no doubt.
 

REDbug8915

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You are too far gone to reason with. Congratulations on supporting the downfall of democracy and supporting the US becoming a terrorist state.

It was never about freedom, was it? It was always just about power. You disgust me
Downfall of democracy?? Who allowed 20 million migrants into the country illegally?
What was their motive to allow that? Perhaps 20 million more democrat voters?
Who is against voter ID?? Who is in favor of vote harvesting? And unlimited mail in ballots?
I’m glad I disgust you! Go cry to your therapist
 

dpic73

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Ashley Babbitt. Remember what your position there was. Hypocrisy.
Ashlii Babbitt was a rabid insurrectionist, enraged by Trump's lies, hell-bent on doing grave damage to our legal democratic process, after trespassing through a federal building after overwhelming and beating officers to within an inch of their lives outside. Your brain is so badly damaged if you don't think she deserved what she got. FAFO

 

dpic73

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Downfall of democracy?? Who allowed 20 million migrants into the country illegally?
What was their motive to allow that? Perhaps 20 million more democrat voters?
Who is against voter ID?? Who is in favor of vote harvesting? And unlimited mail in ballots?
I’m glad I disgust you! Go cry to your therapist
You disgraceful propaganda-fueled liar. 20 million my ***. There are 14 million illegals here in TOTAL. This is why nothing you deceitful magats say can ever be trusted.

 
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TigerGrowls

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Ashlii Babbitt was a rabid insurrectionist, enraged by Trump's lies, hell-bent on doing grave damage to our legal democratic process, after trespassing through a federal building after overwhelming and beating officers to within an inch of their lives outside. Your brain is so badly damaged if you don't think she deserved what she got. FAFO


Now how would you describe the woman today?
 

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Dude, if you watched the video and think that's comparable to what Babbitt did, your brain is fried and there is nothing I can do to help you.
I'm still waiting to find out why the swat team a few feet from her did nothing before and after the trigger happy Byrd shot her. He made sure not to leave his gun in the bathroom that day.
 
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dpic73

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Downfall of democracy?? Who allowed 20 million migrants into the country illegally?
What was their motive to allow that? Perhaps 20 million more democrat voters?
Who is against voter ID?? Who is in favor of vote harvesting? And unlimited mail in ballots?
I’m glad I disgust you! Go cry to your therapist
And RED states have much more allowances for ballot harvesting

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MAIL-IN VOTING
Party:
Voters of every political affiliation cast ballots by mail in 2024. Both President Trump and Vice President Harris won multiple states where the majority of ballots were cast by mail.
  • About 1 in 4 Democrats and 1 in 5 Republicans voted by mail, as well as 1 in 5 voters who registered with other parties or with no party.
  • More than 1 in 3 Republicans voted by mail in five states and Washington, D.C. (CO, CA, WY, ME, NV, and DC).


And just because they're Latino, doesn't mean they vote exclusively democrat



Getting your news from Catturd is very bad for your health.
 

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Ashlii Babbitt was a rabid insurrectionist, enraged by Trump's lies, hell-bent on doing grave damage to our legal democratic process, after trespassing through a federal building after overwhelming and beating officers to within an inch of their lives outside. Your brain is so badly damaged if you don't think she deserved what she got. FAFO


I understand this is a waste of time, but all those peaceful protesters, a gaggle of them, just passively breaking glass and someone getting shot vs shooting a person point blank while they are driving away are not the same.
 

dpic73

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I'm still waiting to find out why the swat team a few feet from her did nothing before and after the trigger happy Byrd shot her. He made sure not to leave his gun in the bathroom that day.
Are you asking me why officers who had just arrived, surrounded by hundreds of mobsters couldn't stop the rioters from breaking through the door to the chambers? Dude, just stop, you're an un-American traitor if you try to make excuses for her and the rioters. There is no excuse for them to be in the building in the first place and if they're stupid enough to attack officers and attack Congresspeople doing their Constitutional duty and you think that's just fine, there is something wrong with you. Wrong is not and will never be right.

If you don't want to get shot, don't attack our OWN government.
 

LafayetteBear

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I am not defending him. I already said in another post that I think he shouldn't have shot her there. My position here is logic while every lib on this board including you were basically celebrating unarmed Ashley Babbitt being killed on j6.
I didn't celebrate Babbitt's death. But I sure as hell thought she invited being shot. She broke into the Capitol with her fellow insurrectionists, and then decided that she had to be the first person through when they broke through the doors to the House Gallery. (I should say the windows in the top half of those doors. She had to make the conscious decision to climb up and through those broken out windows.) The Capitol police officer inside the Gallery made it clear who he was, and that gave her absolutely no pause. How dumb is that?! She really should have been given a Darwin Award. Posthumously, of course.

The woman who was shot today was quite clearly trying to flee. Her wheels were turned hard right when she began moving forward, The thug who shot her barely moved as he fired the first shot from in front of the front left corner of her car. As she passed by him, he unloaded at least two more shots into the car through the driver's side window. He was three feet to the side of her car at that point. Trump and Noem were calling it self defense before they even saw any video of the incident, and also referring to her as a "domestic terrorist." Sitting in a car that is partially blocking a street. That is quite a low bar for being a domestic terrorist.
 
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LafayetteBear

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Its a valid comparison absolutely and it shows the lib hypocrisy and TDS in action.
As if we are trying to change your mind about this. Trying to change the mind of a guy who scours the alt-right corners of the Web seeking to uncover "vast left-wing conspiracies." And then cuts and pastes that stuff on this Board, complete with the obligatory charts, diagrams, and arrows. The guy who STILL venerates Q. (BTW, is Hillary still under some kind of super secret house arrest? When is the Big Reveal going to go down?)

YCMTSU. Never stop posting. In fact, post more. We can always use the entertainment. :cool:
 
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AugTig

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Are you asking me why officers who had just arrived, surrounded by hundreds of mobsters couldn't stop the rioters from breaking through the door to the chambers? Dude, just stop, you're an un-American traitor if you try to make excuses for her and the rioters. There is no excuse for them to be in the building in the first place and if they're stupid enough to attack officers and attack Congresspeople doing their Constitutional duty, there is something wrong with you. Wrong is not and will never be right.

If you don't want to get shot, don't attack our OWN government.
I didn't ask you but you I recommend doing some research outside of your bubble. They shouldn't have been allowed in the building. Maybe opening the doors and letting many in had something to do with it.

I'm not going to take the bait with the name calling. Call me when whatever you want if it makes you feel better but you are wrong.
 
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dpic73

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I didn't ask you but you I recommend doing some research outside of your bubble. They shouldn't have been allowed in the building. Maybe opening the doors and letting many in had something to do with it.

I'm not going to take the bait with the name calling. Call me when whatever you want if it makes you feel better but you are wrong.
Sorry Tiglet, America will always consider you to be a bad person for trying to excuse anything that happened that day.




The officers at the door to the Speaker's Lobby did not "do nothing"; they were severely overwhelmed and outnumbered by the rioters, leading to their lines being breached. They had attempted to barricade the doors using furniture, but the crowd's size and force made resistance impossible at that specific point and time.

Specific details from official reports and officer testimony explain the situation:

Overwhelmed and Outnumbered
: The Capitol Police force of about 1,400 officers was quickly overrun by an estimated 8,000 rioters. Officers at various entrances, including the Speaker's Lobby, were simply too few in number to physically stop the large, violent mob.

Physical Limitations: Officers were engaged in hand-to-hand combat, were being assaulted with various items (including chemical irritants and batons), and some were physically crushed against doorways. One officer testified to being pinned in a doorway, screaming for help as rioters chanted, "Heave ho! Heave ho!".

Lack of Equipment and Leadership: A Senate report on the attack detailed "sweeping failures" across the Capitol Police, including bad intelligence, poor planning, faulty equipment, and a lack of clear leadership and communication. The incident command system broke down, leaving front-line officers without clear orders or backup.

Focus on Evacuation: At the time the mob reached the Speaker's Lobby, members of Congress were being evacuated from the House Chamber, and the primary goal shifted to preserving their safety. The officers moved aside momentarily when a tactical unit arrived, at which point Ashli Babbitt attempted to climb through a broken window and was shot by an officer on the other side of the barricade. The presence of a weapon and the arrival of the tactical unit eventually helped clear the area and prevent further breach into the main Chamber.

 

TheValley91

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The front tires appear to be on ice. While she may have been trying to turn, the tires didn’t grip right away and the car went straight for a brief moment instead of turning like she intended.

Either way, it’s a totally justified shooting. The wrong decision? Yes. Justified? Also yes.

That woman was there to agitate and she got what she was looking for. No crying in the casino.
Seriously you need to see a therapist for the lack of empathy in your soul.

Quite disturbing.
 

TigerGrowls

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Are you asking me why officers who had just arrived, surrounded by hundreds of mobsters couldn't stop the rioters from breaking through the door to the chambers? Dude, just stop, you're an un-American traitor if you try to make excuses for her and the rioters. There is no excuse for them to be in the building in the first place and if they're stupid enough to attack officers and attack Congresspeople doing their Constitutional duty and you think that's just fine, there is something wrong with you. Wrong is not and will never be right.

If you don't want to get shot, don't attack our OWN government.
You are too dense to realize your post can be applied to the shooting in MN.
 

TigerGrowls

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As if we are trying to change your mind about this. Trying to change the mind of a guy who scours the alt-right corners of the Web seeking to uncover "vast left-wing conspiracies." And then cuts and pastes that stuff on this Board, complete with the obligatory charts, diagrams, and arrows. The guy who STILL venerates Q. (BTW, is Hillary still under some kind of super secret house arrest? When is the Big Reveal going to go down?)

YCMTSU. Never stop posting. In fact, post more. We can always use the entertainment. :cool:
Once again I applaud you for admitting you have read all about Q.
 

TigerGrowls

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The radical left is responsible for this by encouraging resistance and obstruction against ICE. These agents are doing a dangerous job as it is without having wacko protesters adding to the mayhem and this is to protect immigrants that are here stealing welfare and scamming the government out of billions.
 

TigerGrowls

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They are going to defend the ICE agent here because operations are in progress all over the nation and they are not going to handicap the agents or make them afraid to do their job. Sad situation but its FAFO.
 
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Alright I'll take emotion out of it. What you said was untrue. Anyone not a citizen is not the subject to apprehension because non citizens can be here legally.
Anyway, that appeared to be an unjustified shooting. You know how I know? Factually, even if you were to surmise he thought he was in danger, he shot the car as it was driving past him. Which by policy of the DOJ, you are not to do. It was an unjustified use of force and that officer, will be stripped of qualified immunity and will have to answer for it. You defending him is an emotional decision, so was Trump when he lied and said the guy was in the hospital. Go ahead and quote tweet that dog crap here so we can all take in the lies.
didn't see the need for the shot into the car from the side.
 

baltimorened

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I didn't celebrate Babbitt's death. But I sure as hell thought she invited being shot. She broke into the Capitol with her fellow insurrectionists, and then decided that she had to be the first person through when they broke through the doors to the House Gallery. (I should say the windows in the top half of those doors. She had to make the conscious decision to climb up and through those broken out windows.) The Capitol police officer inside the Gallery made it clear who he was, and that gave her absolutely no pause. How dumb is that?! She really should have been given a Darwin Award. Posthumously, of course.

The woman who was shot today was quite clearly trying to flee. Her wheels were turned hard right when she began moving forward, The thug who shot her barely moved as he fired the first shot from in front of the front left corner of her car. As she passed by him, he unloaded at least two more shots into the car through the driver's side window. He was three feet to the side of her car at that point. Trump and Noem were calling it self defense before they even saw any video of the incident, and also referring to her as a "domestic terrorist." Sitting in a car that is partially blocking a street. That is quite a low bar for being a domestic terrorist.
interestingly, Noem said yesterday that this same officer had been hit by a car and "drugged" by another anti ice protester in the past. Not an excuse to shoot, but...

also interestingly it does seem as if the car did hit the agent, from reports.
 

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The front tires appear to be on ice. While she may have been trying to turn, the tires didn’t grip right away and the car went straight for a brief moment instead of turning like she intended.

Either way, it’s a totally justified shooting. The wrong decision? Yes. Justified? Also yes.

That woman was there to agitate and she got what she was looking for. No crying in the casino.
I see it a little differently.
1. Yes the tires were turned right and yes she was trying to (neutral word) leave. As noted before though, her intent is largely irrelevant to the justification defense.
2. But, the shooter agent was actually initially on the passenger side of the front and moving toward the driver side, so it is plausible that he was in the line of egress
3. For those suggesting he get out of the way, he sorta was, by moving toward the driver side. But obviously that wasn’t the only thing he was doing.
4. Even considering the extraordinarily compressed timing, I continue to think that on balance his drawing of the weapon looks like it was done for apprehension rather than defense, which is going to be a problem for him in terms of his justification defense (ie, self defense).
5. There may be multiple fora where this issue is considered.
 
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I understand this is a waste of time, but all those peaceful protesters, a gaggle of them, just passively breaking glass and someone getting shot vs shooting a person point blank while they are driving away are not the same.
@TigerGrowls which part was funny?
 

fatpiggy

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Wrong. He shot her three times, twice as she was going past him. Those are 2 unjustified shots. She was a mom by the way. Theres an orphan out in the world tonight because of this officers actions.


Consider these facts: This person was pulling out of her drive way, stuck on ice(irony) and was waving people past. Armed government officials decided NO, got out of their car and ran up to pull her out. Because these folks were masked and didn't declare themselves ANYTHING. She had no obligation to abide by there orders and tried to leave. He stepped in front of her car and based on teh video, he drew his weapon before she went forward. He killed her. Shot two more times after anyone could consider what was justified. smh this was a bad shot.
There is an orphan in the world because of the mother’s actions.
 

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Why not just do what the guy with the gun and badge tells you to do. If they tell you to get out of the car, don’t speed off. It’s that simple. And many of you in here were very supportive of using deadly force at J6, almost happy that Babbit was murdered but now you have a problem with it. Those of you that feel that way are sick. This is a terrible situation that could have been avoided by following the officers demands.
 
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This lady is spot on



Dpic, I’m not sure if you have kids or not, but as a woman, do you agree with her ?
 

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Why not just do what the guy with the gun and badge tells you to do. If they tell you to get out of the car, don’t speed off. It’s that simple. And many of you in here were very supportive of using deadly force at J6, almost happy that Babbit was murdered but now you have a problem with it. Those of you that feel that way are sick. This is a terrible situation that could have been avoided by following the officers demands.
2 points: 1) So the guy(s) with the badges told Babbit to leave and not come through a window so she didn’t do what the guys with the badges said to do. 2) you use the word “murdered”, so we agree that Renee Good was murdered.
 

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Just one more example of the inconsistency of the left. This is an authority issue. Right, wrong or indifferent - citizens must obey orders from LE, even when they are wrong. On top of that there’s cameras and people everywhere, nothing was going to happen. Ironically the left worships the vaccine authority or the judges that use their authority to release criminals, even when they are wrong. How about the authority of states to not require ID to vote, that’s perfect. But when LE does it we live in the third reich. It’s petulant, immature behavior - they act out when they don’t get there way. IMO the blame is at Walz and Freys feet. They go out of their way to fuel violent rhetoric. They’re losers.
 

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2 points: 1) So the guy(s) with the badges told Babbit to leave and not come through a window so she didn’t do what the guys with the badges said to do. 2) you use the word “murdered”, so we agree that Renee Good was murdered.
And they told her to get out of the car, she didn’t. So you agree with me. Good.
 
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The radical left is responsible for this by encouraging resistance and obstruction against ICE. These agents are doing a dangerous job as it is without having wacko protesters adding to the mayhem and this is to protect immigrants that are here stealing welfare and scamming the government out of billions.
This might be hands down the dumbest **** you have ever posted and that is saying something. The trigger happy meat head with a license to shoot to kill is responsible. Plain and simple. I hope his actions haunt him for the rest of his days. Good job sparky, you murdered someone. Could have shot the tire out that was 20 inches away, or hell, not shot at all, but naaah, let’s show the radical left by slaughtering someone. That’ll teach them. These *** clowns are poorly trained, inflammatory, hair trigger agents of a power hungry dictatorial government.

And I’m not saying this to protect immigrants. I’m saying it to protect the Constitution.
 
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2 points: 1) So the guy(s) with the badges told Babbit to leave and not come through a window so she didn’t do what the guys with the badges said to do. 2) you use the word “murdered”, so we agree that Renee Good was murdered.
It’s the “both sides” TDS freak.
Was Babbit armed ?? Bc the criminal that was shot and killed yesterday tried to use her deadly weapon to run over a cop

kinda not the same
 
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Jfcarter3

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It’s the “both sides” TDS freak.
Was Babbit armed ?? Bc the criminal that was shot and killed yesterday tried to use her deadly weapon to run over a cop

kinda not the same
Easy sweet tits. Good was driving away. Babbit was forced entry. You’re right, not the same.