Y’all better chill out with the Lebby slander or will rogers is gonna start another thread.
Y’all better chill out with the Lebby slander or will rogers is gonna start another thread.
I was just thinking that while reading Will's post. Is there really any one, outside of Will, that thinks we are quote "good" in current the state on the O-line? I am just curious to know.
I have often wondered if there is any way to find out how many times a team shows up during draft highlights. I suspect we are close to the topWe are a one-stop-shop for NFL Draft highlights.
Mississippi state football cares!More than most. Less than a lot. Who cares?
If we had 4 more above average offensive linemen this year we are 7-5 regular seasonI’m beginning to believe that even if we had blue blood money it wouldn’t fix much. I’m sure we would have more wins, but this coaching staff hasn’t shown me anything that makes me believe they would take a monstrous step forward even with more talent
Well Mississippi state is gonna be paying them and Mississippi state isn’t exactly getting rich.By the people making money off of their performance, names, image, and likeness -absolutely! They get my dollars through ticket purchases, espn subscriptions, or a small cut of the sales from businesses they are representatives of. Good old fashioned capitalism. Just like the pros. All for that.
If we are going to embrace the tip for play culture, we might as well be honest about it. Let the athletes put their Venmo QR on their unis. That would at least be an honest this for that transaction. Plus, it would result in a better distribution of dollars for performance than me sending 100 dollars to a collective and have 80 of it go to who knows where.
He was 4* out of high school. For what we’re spending he’s definitely worth the risk. But more a project player than immediate help most likely.3*, 48th OT in the portal. BUT he redshirted last year at FSU and hasn't played a down in college. Hopefully he's a good addition.
There’s big athletic & strong. And there’s big fat & lazy. We didn’t seem to have the first kind.Well I guess my wife was right, size doesn't matter.......................
Remember, before I was banned, when I used to talk about the “temp-tax” with regards to linemen and Lebby? Most here laughed at the notion.
Here’s one thread, scroll down toward the bottom of the first page:
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Offensive Linemen. Hidden Metrics. - Forums
1. Lebby’s offense for the 2nd straight year is the fastest tempo between plays in the SEC. Avg. Sec/Play: 22.2 (SEC #1) 12–20 sec rests → lactic buildup Plays/Game Offense: 80 (SEC #1) High-Intensity Distance (OL/Game, GPS Est: 4,800–5,500m Skill-player type loads on linemen → higher...www.on3.com
If a portal O-lineman sees ‘fastest tempo and 2nd most plays per game” on the brochure and thinks, “Nah, too much running,” then he’s self selecting out of our program. If he won’t come to Mississippi State because they’d have to run 78 plays a game and actually be in cardio shape, then we don’t want those lazy kind around here anyways. That’s good. They’d rather go to a slow huddle program where they can stand around for 40 seconds between plays, scratch themselves, and pretend they’re working hard, let them go, we don’t want them either. Lebby’s style will self select the exact type of cardio focused hard working linemen who want to play a lot of snaps and football. We will be fine here. And it will be cheaper because the type lineman I’m talking about won’t be using or listening to what some agent is telling them.Remember, before I was banned, when I used to talk about the “temp-tax” with regards to linemen and Lebby? Most here laughed at the notion.
Here’s one thread, scroll down toward the bottom of the first page:
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Offensive Linemen. Hidden Metrics. - Forums
1. Lebby’s offense for the 2nd straight year is the fastest tempo between plays in the SEC. Avg. Sec/Play: 22.2 (SEC #1) 12–20 sec rests → lactic buildup Plays/Game Offense: 80 (SEC #1) High-Intensity Distance (OL/Game, GPS Est: 4,800–5,500m Skill-player type loads on linemen → higher...www.on3.com
5’9”, 245. I’m applying for a 6th year.
Meanwhile Jimothy Lewis is being wooed by Alabama…we a talent problem not doubt …….. in the coaching ranks
Lebby’s high tempo asks OL to play almost 80 snaps per game (#2 ranked nationally) at the fastest pace in the nation, often in space- pass pro, RPO’s ect. This can lead to quicker fatigue for heavier guys and fewer “smashmouth” run reps to showcase NFL power. Jimothy is a classic road grader build—big, powerful interior/mauler type ideal for dominant run blocking.I saw that. The guy that cost us the TN game, kinda, Bama fans are impressed with his size.
In hindsight, it would have been nice to keep him. I don't know if he has the quickness to be a Tackle but a guard for sure. I was hopefully he would come back but .... with bama in the mix, he gone.
Look, I salute the “tempo tough guy” sermon here- nothing says elite conditioning like pretending every 340lb offensive lineman who leaves us is just a couch potato scared of cardio. Calling Jimothy Lewis lazy because he portaled and maybe go somewhere like a slower paced Bama for better pro tape is hilarious cope. He started games for us. Alabama sure wants him, as they wined and dined him. I saw a video of him eating sushi with them. Same thing with Luke Work. These guys arent slackers looking for nap time- they’re big uglies whose agents are telling them- Go somewhere slower where you can actually look dominant instead of gassing out in space in Lebby’s offense. If you’re saying Lebbys tempo self selects big lineman who are cardio kings, that’s ridiculous lol. I’d say it also repels the true maulers who want to smash, not sprint. Let’s not pretend churning the entire OL room every offseason is some genius filter for ‘real workers.’ It’s the effect of a tempo tax, not a virtue signal. More wins might help this a little, but the reality and fact is, Lebby’s style of offense is a deterrent for quality experienced veteran linemen. Again we will have to over pay (tempo tax) for scraps again. And that’s why this offensive style won’t work here. Not to mention it has the same effect on our defensive front because of the boomerang quick turnaround. Their agents are noting that as well. Everyone is being fooled by offensive numbers, big plays, tempo ect- they can’t see the real negative counter effect it actually has over evertjing.If a portal O-lineman sees ‘fastest tempo and 2nd most plays per game” on the brochure and thinks, “Nah, too much running,” then he’s self selecting out of our program. If he won’t come to Mississippi State because they’d have to run 78 plays a game and actually be in cardio shape, then we don’t want those lazy kind around here anyways. That’s good. They’d rather go to a slow huddle program where they can stand around for 40 seconds between plays, scratch themselves, and pretend they’re working hard, let them go, we don’t want them either. Lebby’s style will self select the exact type of cardio focused hard working linemen who want to play a lot of snaps and football. We will be fine here. And it will be cheaper because the type lineman I’m talking about won’t be using or listening to what some agent is telling them.
Lewis was not very smart, to put it kindly. He had a problem picking up the playbook. Now if he goes to Alabama or wherever and succeeds then it’s probably a Loadholt issue in not being able to teach the information.Not sure it’s some pace or cardio deal with Lewis . More likely Lebby’s buddy Loadholt isn’t worth a flip at coaching OL. Loadholt is Hutzler 2.0 hire a friend pay him a ton get nothing in return.
Not sure it’s some pace or cardio deal with Lewis . More likely Lebby’s buddy Loadholt isn’t worth a flip at coaching OL. Loadholt is Hutzler 2.0 hire a friend pay him a ton get nothing in return.
Blaming Loadholt for Jimothy Lewis hitting the portal is straight up scapegoating and ignoring the obvious. A redshirt freshman tackle gets thrown into the fire, into the literal fastest tempo offense in the nation between snaps, and ran the 2nd most snaps per game in the nation, and he’s 320-330 lbs. He’s out there for all those snaps and that quick of a turnaround, against SEC edge rushers who live in the weight room, while our depth is still catching up. Of course he looked raw and got beat sometimes! And he’s not smart enough to pick up Lebby’s simple go fast playbook, but then Alabama thinks he smart enough for theirs? But sure, let’s pin it all on Loadholt instead of admitting the scheme’s tempo tax is brutal on a rebuilding O-line, and certain type of linemen like Jimothy. Again this is why they will have to pay a literal monetary tempo tax to make this work here.Lewis was not very smart, to put it kindly. He had a problem picking up the playbook. Now if he goes to Alabama or wherever and succeeds then it’s probably a Loadholt issue in not being able to teach the information.
He got beat more than sometimes. He had a problem picking up the playbook. He was here for 2 years. I'm not sure whether it was Loadholt or just him being not smart, but it was one or the other. I personally think Lewis is just stupid and won't ever be any good, but I may be wrong. He got benched in HS some too. By year 2 there is no excuse not to know where to be and who to block. These dudes spend so many hours in the film room and summer workouts with each other that it just isn't realistic to not know where to go and what to do by this time in their career unless you just are not trying or are really not very smart at all. If the problem was that he had not been in the weight room long enough then that is understandable, but he was not out of shape or not strong enough. He didn't know who to block.Blaming Loadholt for Jimothy Lewis hitting the portal is straight up scapegoating and ignoring the obvious. A redshirt freshman tackle gets thrown into the fire, into the literal fastest tempo offense in the nation between snaps, and ran the 2nd most snaps per game in the nation, and he’s 320-330 lbs. He’s out there for all those snaps and that quick of a turnaround, against SEC edge rushers who live in the weight room, while our depth is still catching up. Of course he looked raw and got beat sometimes! And he’s not smart enough to pick up Lebby’s simple go fast playbook, but then Alabama thinks he smart enough for theirs? But sure, let’s pin it all on Loadholt instead of admitting the scheme’s tempo tax is brutal on a rebuilding O-line, and certain type of linemen like Jimothy. Again this is why they will have to pay a literal monetary tempo tax to make this work here.
Typical trash and slander the player who leaves or the recruit who decommits. And Alabama is too dumb to see what you’re saying- even with 2 extra years to evaluate him since HS. Bama wants him now but we don’t. OkHe got beat more than sometimes. He had a problem picking up the playbook. He was here for 2 years. I'm not sure whether it was Loadholt or just him being not smart, but it was one or the other. I personally think Lewis is just stupid and won't ever be any good, but I may be wrong. He got benched in HS some too. By year 2 there is no excuse not to know where to be and who to block. These dudes spend so many hours in the film room and summer workouts with each other that it just isn't realistic to not know where to go and what to do by this time in their career unless you just are not trying or are really not very smart at all. If the problem was that he had not been in the weight room long enough then that is understandable, but he was not out of shape or not strong enough. He didn't know who to block.
He had the lowest PFF grades on the worst OL in the league. All of this was due to his mental ineptitude. He has a lot of physical skills, which is why Alabama is after him. I’m sorry that the reality of his time here hurts your 17ing feelings, Mrs. Jimothy.Typical trash and slander the player who leaves or the recruit who decommits. And Alabama is too dumb to see what you’re saying- even with 2 extra years to evaluate him since HS. Bama wants him now but we don’t. Ok
Luke Work commits to Missouri. Didn’t know if this had already been mentioned. Expect improved performance/stats at Mizzou- common for linemen switching from tempo heavy to more balanced schemes. This gives linemen more rest between snaps, better suits Work’s size (6’6”, 315 lbs), and allows him to focus on power/technique rather than constant sprinting. Hate to lose him. Especially to a better team.If a portal O-lineman sees ‘fastest tempo and 2nd most plays per game” on the brochure and thinks, “Nah, too much running,” then he’s self selecting out of our program. If he won’t come to Mississippi State because they’d have to run 78 plays a game and actually be in cardio shape, then we don’t want those lazy kind around here anyways. That’s good. They’d rather go to a slow huddle program where they can stand around for 40 seconds between plays, scratch themselves, and pretend they’re working hard, let them go, we don’t want them either. Lebby’s style will self select the exact type of cardio focused hard working linemen who want to play a lot of snaps and football. We will be fine here. And it will be cheaper because the type lineman I’m talking about won’t be using or listening to what some agent is telling them.
O line is more about coaching/development than any other position group. Watch LW become a good/decent player for Missouri. leach prioritized O line, he had much to say on the subject. I think in 2022 our O line was in the top 3 In the sec. I remember Nick Jones, a juco stepping in and being outstanding. It was so stupid for our boosters just to fire Mason Miller For no good reason.Luke Work commits to Missouri. Didn’t know if this had already been mentioned. Expect improved performance/stats at Mizzou- common for linemen switching from tempo heavy to more balanced schemes. This gives linemen more rest between snaps, better suits Work’s size (6’6”, 315 lbs), and allows him to focus on power/technique rather than constant sprinting. Hate to lose him. Especially to a better team.
I sure hope y’all donated enough for us to rent him.The starting left tackle for UAB is visiting tomorrow, and has a pff pass blocking grade of 81, which is borderline elite. Hopefully he commits.
Besides that, it is just incredibly stupid to let Work and Lewis leave. This are (rising) 3rd year guys, who have played, and we toss them to the wind like we can just go replace them quickly in the portal. Linemen have to grow up.Luke Work commits to Missouri. Didn’t know if this had already been mentioned. Expect improved performance/stats at Mizzou- common for linemen switching from tempo heavy to more balanced schemes. This gives linemen more rest between snaps, better suits Work’s size (6’6”, 315 lbs), and allows him to focus on power/technique rather than constant sprinting. Hate to lose him. Especially to a better team.
Well I guess my wife was right, size doesn't matter.......................
If you’re talking about Brandon Sneh, 81.0 was actually his PFF pass-blocking grade from his 2024 season when he played at Wagner. I haven’t seen any publicly available specific PFF grades for his 2025 performance at UAB. Which leads me to ask- Although that’s a good score, who did he play against or block at Wagner?The starting left tackle for UAB is visiting tomorrow, and has a pff pass blocking grade of 81, which is borderline elite. Hopefully he commits.
Where do you see who is visiting? 247 doesn't show anything after November 28.We finally have some OL and Edge visitors coming in this week......3 or 4 OT's included
JFC, is THIS the 17-ing horse that's gonna get beat for the next 8 months? I may just hang myself now....Luke Work commits to Missouri. Didn’t know if this had already been mentioned. Expect improved performance/stats at Mizzou- common for linemen switching from tempo heavy to more balanced schemes. This gives linemen more rest between snaps, better suits Work’s size (6’6”, 315 lbs), and allows him to focus on power/technique rather than constant sprinting. Hate to lose him. Especially to a better team.
If you’re talking about Brandon Sneh, 81.0 was actually his PFF pass-blocking grade from his 2024 season when he played at Wagner. I haven’t seen any publicly available specific PFF grades for his 2025 performance at UAB. Which leads me to ask- Although that’s a good score, who did he play against or block at Wagner?
Prediction - We’ll eventually sign 4-6 underwhelming transfers, we’ll be told that they’re all actually solid additions due to blah blah blah, and then we’ll get the whole “what did you 17ers expect?” speech.
As Hadad likes to say, you don’t have to be a chef to know that a steak is overdone, and Lebby’s been serving us burnt sirloins for 2 years. He’s got 11 months
This post was on the money a year and a half agoThere are beginning to be signs that Lebby might not be the guy. Subtle, but they are there.
Cool so I am safe with my bltching.^^^THIS^^^
I think that only the individuals contributing to NIL should be able to b!tch about how much money MSU is spending on NIL or how that money is being spent.
I got questions, lots of questions, on these subjects.