That Lebron guy is pretty good
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Haters won't like or respond.
But Lebron is the Man. Love this video graphic.
But Lebron is the Man. Love this video graphic.
They should have done it by year in the league to be fair. Most of the top guys went to college.
MJ played 3 years at UNCheat,
I thought this was going to be last night's playoff highlights.
Plus took three years off just for the hell of it.
I mean, obviously Lebron is one of the best of all time (at least top 10 and probably top 5 when he is done), but this is a fairly irrelevant statistic when comparing the top scorers in history because they started at different ages. Lebron had a three-year head start on Jordan, for example, and Jordan took several years off during his prime (his fault, clearly, but still). If you did this by years in the league, as the poster above suggested, it would look much different.
I mean yeah, this graphic is kinda skewed because he came into the league at 18. It doesn’t prove that he’s the GOAT or whatever. But it’s pretty cool nonetheless. The guy revolutionized the game like no one else since Jordan. Even if he is a bitchy, entitled little drama queen. I think most of us can admit both. 
Tracy McGrady is a guy who should've been better than he was. At his peak he was as dominant as it gets. The injury bug bit him.
As far as this chart its very skewed. See how many more games Lebron played in the same time frame than Jordan. PPG averages is a much better comparison.
As far as this chart its very skewed. See how many more games Lebron played in the same time frame than Jordan. PPG averages is a much better comparison.
Yeah, same. I mean i have FUNDAMENTALLY different views than him, and his political commentary is cringe and annoying at times but i just choose to ignore that
He’s hands down my favorite (and my sons) player to watch.
I think he still has 2-3 more years of elite level/ top 5 level play
"Probably top 5"????
Yeah but is the tripper in the league now? (I have no idea.) If so, watch out "Bron Bron"[eyeroll]
If you want to point to James dominance, points is only part of the argument. To me his all around game is his best asset.
If you're talking scoring, it's wilt.
Either way, Lebron is done imo. Once he got enough leverage to force teams to bend to his roster demands, his run was over. Plus it's obvious now through load management, showing up to the arena with red wine, and/or just shutting himself down - basketball is no longer his driving force. It's just his platform for now while he's branching into entertainment. Thus the move to LA in the first place
If you're talking scoring, it's wilt.
Either way, Lebron is done imo. Once he got enough leverage to force teams to bend to his roster demands, his run was over. Plus it's obvious now through load management, showing up to the arena with red wine, and/or just shutting himself down - basketball is no longer his driving force. It's just his platform for now while he's branching into entertainment. Thus the move to LA in the first place
Frank, that's my view of Lebron too.
He's stubbed his toe a few times (South Beach thing).
But he's a transcendent superstar that generations will remember. And I love the King.
Can't really do that fairly, either, because a 21 year old versus and 18 year old is not a fair comparison either. But we should consider both.
I struggle with GOAT rankings, because it’s hard to balance the criteria. Longevity of some kind is obviously warranted, but I can’t make it everything. If I thought peak Shaq was better than peak Duncan, I can’t mentally wrap my head around placing Duncan higher because Duncan was healthier at 35. It’s not nothing (and old man Duncan was a joy to watch), but having a higher floor isn’t the same as higher ceiling,
Of those I’ve witnessed, I’d place Lebron 3rd, between Olajuwon and Shaq. And I think he is there to stay until he gets bumped back.
Of those I’ve witnessed, I’d place Lebron 3rd, between Olajuwon and Shaq. And I think he is there to stay until he gets bumped back.
The thing is, Lebron is a pass first player that can score whenever he wants. Think about that.
I wouldn’t call him a pass first player, though he is very good at it. We aren’t talking Nash or something.
I don’t care really - about who is best or GOAT. I will say this, and it’s my opinion only....
When I watch LeBron play, I always truly believe that he could do whatever he wants on the court. I think he could average 45 a game for the season if he wanted to. He could rebound, he could pass, he could stop whatever player you want. Seems he could just really do whatever he wants to do.
When I watch LeBron play, I always truly believe that he could do whatever he wants on the court. I think he could average 45 a game for the season if he wanted to. He could rebound, he could pass, he could stop whatever player you want. Seems he could just really do whatever he wants to do.
1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Magic
4) Kareem
5) LeBron
I think LeBron lacks an instinct or personality trait that both MJ and Kobe had, and something Magic had some of. They wanted to bury and embarrass other players. It looked like they were going to die after a loss. I don't see that in LeBron.
2) Kobe
3) Magic
4) Kareem
5) LeBron
I think LeBron lacks an instinct or personality trait that both MJ and Kobe had, and something Magic had some of. They wanted to bury and embarrass other players. It looked like they were going to die after a loss. I don't see that in LeBron.
I mean Bron walked off the court without shaking hands and the media acted like it was murder .
ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME , but such a PITA crybaby its hard to root for him , and the whole dog n pony show with ESPN and Miami .
I agree. I also think he could come out and play a game of hot potato on the perimeter as his team goes down 20 points in a Finals game. It’s frustrating at times.
I'd go by how many years in the league by age 28. If a guy spent 4 years in college then obviously he didn't have those 4 years in the NBA scoring points to add to that total.
Don't think that was before age 28 though don't you think?
MJ was a shooting king would shoot the hell out of the ball and is notorious for the getting the Jordan treatment from the refs.
Guess why everyone calls it the Jordan treatment.
I like how wilt comes flying in around the age 25-26 graph. Had to rewind to notice Jordan comes in there too.
Like others said, this is irrelevant due to how early or late some hit the league. Do this for years played then it will mean something more.
Like others said, this is irrelevant due to how early or late some hit the league. Do this for years played then it will mean something more.
Who? Just kidding, Lebron is pretty good but I personally dont care for him. He has all the talent in the world but seems to lack the same motivation as some other greats. If he went hard like MJ all the time he would have been GOAT as far as I'm concerned but as it stands to me MJ is GOAT.
Grabs popcorn to watch the haters cry.
Interesting thing is, this is just one aspect of the game. He does so many things well. He’s not paid to be a role model, politician or fine citizen. He’s paid to play basketball. In that role he has no equal.
Interesting thing is, this is just one aspect of the game. He does so many things well. He’s not paid to be a role model, politician or fine citizen. He’s paid to play basketball. In that role he has no equal.
Exactly... And when you listen to his interviews now he ALWAYS says ME and I instead of we and us... His ship has sailed.. Much rather have Durant and can't stand either one of the prima Donna's...
Just for clarification for those too young to remember, and not at all implying that you are representing otherwise, the Jordan rules was basically do everything short of actual murder to keep Jordan from scoring.
(1) A "pass-first" player doesn't score that much. Doesn't make sense. (2) If he can score whenever he wants, then has certainly hasn't wanted to enough in the NBA finals.
Lebron is the rare athlete that has surpassed the hype placed upon him. Think of all the pressure he had to deliver and nobody can imagine what he's done happening. Has he had some PR blunders---the Decision was brutal but even then he produced 4 straight Finals Appearances and 2 Titles. Then going back to Cleveland and to the Finals each year he was there....that was unreal. He's rarely injured, is the focal point of all opposing team's game plans, and has a game that can make it easier for teammates.
How many athletes approach mid 30's do we still consider a contender for best player in the world? And those are NBA miles/years--too so he's been dominant in the best league in the world for 3 decades...approaching 4. Respect him and appreciate what he did under the spotlight. If the worst thing you can say about a guy is that you disagree with his take on social issues, or think he's a diva (what star isn't in their own way?), or he didn't stay with 1 team......then he's done well. I'm most impressed with him carrying the Cavs to Finals last year then anything he did-that team was straight trash and he carried them there.
Aside from that, he took care of his friends and they are doing positive things...and displaying ownership and earning it. Know how many guys like Lebron have ***holes around them that drain their bank account with failed ideas and reminding him of what they did for him to earn?
It's cool to have difference of opinion, but I think we let personal opinions on issues sway our judgment about people's accomplishments in their field of work far too often these days. It's okay to say you don't care for his political takes, social takes, acting, etc....and still say the guy is an amazing talent that surpassed the hype. Good for him and hope more follow his lead in terms of caring about the game, giving back, and developing their friends into true business men and self ownership.
How many athletes approach mid 30's do we still consider a contender for best player in the world? And those are NBA miles/years--too so he's been dominant in the best league in the world for 3 decades...approaching 4. Respect him and appreciate what he did under the spotlight. If the worst thing you can say about a guy is that you disagree with his take on social issues, or think he's a diva (what star isn't in their own way?), or he didn't stay with 1 team......then he's done well. I'm most impressed with him carrying the Cavs to Finals last year then anything he did-that team was straight trash and he carried them there.
Aside from that, he took care of his friends and they are doing positive things...and displaying ownership and earning it. Know how many guys like Lebron have ***holes around them that drain their bank account with failed ideas and reminding him of what they did for him to earn?
It's cool to have difference of opinion, but I think we let personal opinions on issues sway our judgment about people's accomplishments in their field of work far too often these days. It's okay to say you don't care for his political takes, social takes, acting, etc....and still say the guy is an amazing talent that surpassed the hype. Good for him and hope more follow his lead in terms of caring about the game, giving back, and developing their friends into true business men and self ownership.
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