Wasn’t the class of ‘19 supposedly Joel Justus’ time to shine?
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I've said more than once - lets win 5 games in December - and everyone is (well should be ...) happy with the development of this team. They are all winnable, we should be favored. Lets play like a Kentucky team should.
Our problems are recruiting related because that second class doesnt mean anything due to our system demanding top tier guys. We arent getting those top tier guys so it's definitely a recruiting issue. I understand where you're coming from and you're right. Turnover is an issue, but it's only a problem now because we arent getting AD to replace Harrellson or Randle to replace Noel.
Yeah , I'm with you on that . WWW is not the powerful figure he once was . Lebron and his agency have taken his place . We won't be getting the cream of the crop anymore. There is really nothing an assistant coach can do about that. We're just going to have to work with what we can get .
So you just want titles and don't care if UK cheats. I'm guessing you never graduated from UK because those of us that did, at least most of us, aren't interested in Titles that were won via cheating. Please stay away from The University of Kentucky @ Lexington.
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We did find out from Cal's interview about Zion, that He and another coach went to see Herro, and that Justus went to see Zion, on the same day. Now in fairness to Justus, he was going up against K (and money) on that day.. so I don't blame a kid for taking a HOF coach over an assistant.
But either way, Justus missed.
Also, found it interesting that the reason Cal went to Herro instead was that Herro basically said "Come see me, I want to be at UK". Insinuating that Zion was wavering.
But either way, Justus missed.
Also, found it interesting that the reason Cal went to Herro instead was that Herro basically said "Come see me, I want to be at UK". Insinuating that Zion was wavering.
It's easy to say **** it let's cheat when your career and reputation aren't on the line.
Zion was never coming to UK with KU and Duke paying and that’s why Cal didn’t visit Zion!
Scummy look for UK fans to say they are down for cheating if it brings a title. Trailer trash stuff IMO.
I have news for you man. Everybody in the top tier cheats. It’s just to what extreme. You want to be naive enough to think Nike hasn’t sent some of our guys money before and/or when they were at UK, be my guest. These shoe companies did a hell of a job hiding this stuff and without the FBI getting involved, it would have continued under the radar. I have no idea what the FBI was actually snooping around for when they stumbled across these coaches and shoe companies but they did.
And if I’m being honest, I don’t care the shoe companies are doing this. The kids are getting the shaft when it comes to the NCAA and the schools using their image to make billions of dollars off of them. Everybody is trying to get the advantage on these kids and get theirs.
And with no simple solution to solve the problem, this will continue.
I also stand by if you get caught, you pay the price.
Recruiting doesn't suck.
Player retention sucks.
That's part of the reason why we haven't been to a Final Four in four years and counting.
Gotta get back 2nd tier guys since. This is especially true now that OAD is about to die.
Player retention sucks.
That's part of the reason why we haven't been to a Final Four in four years and counting.
Gotta get back 2nd tier guys since. This is especially true now that OAD is about to die.
I still think we should hang some banners that read: UK DOESN'T CHEAT LIKE THOSE OTHER GUYS.
Seems to make a bunch of our fans sleep easy at night with the virtue signalling.
I would argue Higgins is one of the big reasons UK didn’t go to a final four in the past four years in 2017.
It’s a shame we can’t rid ourselves of atleast barbee. Justus has not added much either. I know he played a hand with quickly or whatever which is great, but he is no coach o. I’d also add Payne needs to step his game up a little. Cal needs to “tweak” the staff.
The lazy line from some our fans is to deflect-deflect-deflect at all costs when it comes to recruiting whiffs.
The idea is that our staff couldn't possibly be in any way incompetent (the same fans rarely critique game plans in season-ending games, either). It has to be that we're losing elite kids because of the other team cheating.
Take the Keion Brooks recruitment for example. A bastion of our fans on this message board were already prepping their "he must have taken money" narrative had Brooks picked Indiana. They don't know Brooks from Adam, and yet the narrative was already established and waiting.
It's a limited view because it actually acts to skew kids none of us know. It's one thing to say Zion likely took benefits - the FBI has essentially confirmed this. It's an entirely different beast to assert that all these top level kids we're losing on are taking cash or benefits. It's kind of a way of virtue signaling on the highest level and basically endorses the "we're winning the right way" mantra most of us used to mock when guys like Dean Smith and Bobby Knight used to essentially say it.
Stinky no one cares of someone heats if they don’t get caught. UNC’s banners are hanging. Duke didn’t lose their final fours with Thomas. Kansas is still employing self. We’ll see how that goes.
If Cal cheats and doesn’t get caught, great. If you cheat and get caught, pay the price.
That’s how this has always worked. Whatever world you live in isn’t the way the rest of the world operates.
We call them cheaters but the nation has no idea.
And as far as us staying clean, it has to do with Cal, not Bell, not Mitch. Cal can dictate how we get them and how we don’t. I don’t remember the context of this but the fact is Bell has zero to do with Cal staying clean through this process. If he wanted to cheat he would, and she wouldn’t stop him.
Incorrect.
Implying that everyone is cheating, mostly without evidence, in order to frame UK as ethically superior - is virtue signaling.
I still remember Zion stating several times he wanted to play CBB with Immanuel Quickley........they were on an Adidas trip to Italy I believe and hit it off. Cal also got burned when Quade Green couldn't help land Mo Bamba like so many in industry predicted would be the case. Stuff happens.
Kentucky staff could use a change in my opinion and not because anyone has failed. It's just smart to shake it up, get some new ideas, new blood, and it tends to help recruiting. Can't say you are about the NBA, when the style you play doesn't resemble anything about NBA basketball right now or the direction it's shifting. NBA embraces the 3pt shot and wide open half court game--a lot of 5 out, and get up and down. UK likes to walk it up and play bully ball. The top 5 caliber players know they are NBA players, so need to adjust. Sounds like UK is doing that, but wait to see it before I believe it.
As for Cal....it's easy for us fans to want players and "deal with consequences" but Cal is usually a step ahead and if you can avoid the FBI and possible Federal Prison, I'd be happy to "lose" some recruiting battles as well. Will say watching any recap of his time at UK, there is a significant drop off in talent from 10-15 teams to '16-19 teams.
Kentucky staff could use a change in my opinion and not because anyone has failed. It's just smart to shake it up, get some new ideas, new blood, and it tends to help recruiting. Can't say you are about the NBA, when the style you play doesn't resemble anything about NBA basketball right now or the direction it's shifting. NBA embraces the 3pt shot and wide open half court game--a lot of 5 out, and get up and down. UK likes to walk it up and play bully ball. The top 5 caliber players know they are NBA players, so need to adjust. Sounds like UK is doing that, but wait to see it before I believe it.
As for Cal....it's easy for us fans to want players and "deal with consequences" but Cal is usually a step ahead and if you can avoid the FBI and possible Federal Prison, I'd be happy to "lose" some recruiting battles as well. Will say watching any recap of his time at UK, there is a significant drop off in talent from 10-15 teams to '16-19 teams.
Justus gets Wiseman if Penny doesn't wind up at Memphis, and we're hyping him like coach O.
Luckily, most people don't live by the "cheating is fine if you don't get caught" motto like you apprently do. You give UK fans a bad name, but luckily you are nothing but an irrelevant internet poster.
Since Cal was surprised by how good Zion played this year, I wonder what Joel's report was on Zion when he watched him play in high school.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26450335/calipari-know-zion-good
Adapt to what exactly? Duke? Kansas?
Oh wait!!!! These last 3 years they are recruiting on our level we have actually been better than them.
So adapt to what?
You have to admit no one saw Zion being so efficient on offense and he did have a hell of a year. Most thought he would be be good but not that good.
I bet Cal didn't think Davis would dominate like he did either. Even when you think someone will be elite, hard to predict someone being THIS special
You’re a weird and strange guy.
Actually most people do live by that motto in athletics and always have. You need to be a UNC fan and tout that holier than thou fake BS attitude to them. People like you who go overboard on “ cheating” are usually the con man in hiding anyway. But you’re too dorky and weird to probably be one of those.
Cardsstink.....lol. Cringeworthy name. You’re a dork. Go away.
So if we had beaten auburn and gone to the final four (which we were only a possession shy of) then he would be a recruiting genius?
You, a guy that tells himself that people you don't like live with their mom and wear their socks to bed calling someone weird is too funny. Your ego constantly needs feeding. You run your mouth nonstop and most of it is septic sludge. Funny and sad to watch pompous and biligerent idiots on the internet. But keep entertaining this forum. I love it!
With the offense we run and Coach Cal's defense first philosophy, he likely wouldn't have been as impressive if he came here. Plus he would have sat the bench in foul trouble most of the year with the way we get fouls called on us for charging and being bigger and stronger than the other teams.
Didn’t read it. Lol.
Just skipped over it and quoted you.
Cardsstink. Omg, what a lame personality.
Justus and Barbee aren’t good recruiters, when they came the brand was such that it basically recruited itself. Meaning anybody could get what they’ve gotten but they cannot connect on top tier players. Who have they specifically signed in their UK tenure? It’s certainly a lot less than their predecessors.
Listening to Barbee do interviews is uninspiring and rather plain, I suspect he fails to connect with recruits. He’s just not cool enough for them to relate. Justus is choir boy, Wisemans mother thought he was great and maybe the apple pie pitch works with mommas but recruits aren’t buying the opie/leave it to beaver approach.
Cal is so loyal that he’s willing to accept the misses in recruiting rather than make a change. The problem is it affects the end product and makes everything along the way more difficult. Some blame it all on players being bought and there’s no way to know how much of an impact that’s had one way or another. While it may or may not have been a majority of the issue, there’s no doubt it’s not the entire problem.
Listening to Barbee do interviews is uninspiring and rather plain, I suspect he fails to connect with recruits. He’s just not cool enough for them to relate. Justus is choir boy, Wisemans mother thought he was great and maybe the apple pie pitch works with mommas but recruits aren’t buying the opie/leave it to beaver approach.
Cal is so loyal that he’s willing to accept the misses in recruiting rather than make a change. The problem is it affects the end product and makes everything along the way more difficult. Some blame it all on players being bought and there’s no way to know how much of an impact that’s had one way or another. While it may or may not have been a majority of the issue, there’s no doubt it’s not the entire problem.
You don't get credit for 2nd place in recruiting, and 1 recruit doesn't get you the coach O reputation at all.
I think a lot of us just want to see Cal and his staff be more fluid and willing to change like a stream instead of a stagnant pond. Assistants come and go Hopefully they help our teams and coaches and evolve themselves so that they can move on to bigger things. I love Cal. But his coaching staff feels like a stagnant pond, little change, and no movement. Assistants, if they are doing their jobs, should be sought after. Just like O and Strickland and to a certain degree Slice. They are never meant to be permanent fixtures, but more like the players, learning to move on.
Cal seems to get comfortable and is loyal to his staff. I'm not sure this is a good thing because just as iron sharpens iron, movement like a stream causes change and new paths while becoming stagnant just becomes stale and motionless.
Cal seems to get comfortable and is loyal to his staff. I'm not sure this is a good thing because just as iron sharpens iron, movement like a stream causes change and new paths while becoming stagnant just becomes stale and motionless.
And if Tubby wins a second title at UK in 2003 or 2005, he's a legend and never gets pressured out.
Life is often made up of very thin lines between mediocrity and success. Justus hasn't crossed that line over to success yet, not as a recruiter.
