I took Fox also. Wall wouldn't be in my top 3 at the 1.
Kentucky all-time starting 5?
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I took Fox also. Wall wouldn't be in my top 3 at the 1.
Fox is one of my favorites - ever. But I probably can’t put him at the 1 above Wall. And honestly, probably can’t put him above Ulis either (another personal favorite, although I think I like Fox more). Wall and Ulis we’re both first team all Americas, while Fox wasn’t on any of the 3 teams. And Ulis was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year, which, at 5’8, is simply an incredible thing.
Fox has a killer mentality that I just don’t see in Wall, especially on defense. He’s got wall type speed but he also has some of the best agility and movement and control in the air of anyone in the league. Ulis has that killer mentality but His height could lead to him bein the weak point on the team.
I’m also choosing off of their continued performance in the NBA, not just at Kentucky, so if you base it off just their time at Kentucky I’d probably put Wall first and Ulis/Fox tied for second
The problem with putting Issel on the first five is that nobody else would get to shoot the ball ! And he didn't win a national championship !
You gotta start with AD, the indispensible piece of the 2012 National Championship. Gotta add Delk as the indispensible piece of the 1996 National Championship. Gotta put in Goose and his 44 from the 1978 NCAA Championship. Can you see where I'm going, here ?
How can you not include Ralph Beard and Alex Groza from back-to-back champs in 1948 and 1949?
And then you can go back and pick up Jeff Shepherd ... the dominant force on the 1998 Champs. And they you can go back and pick up Vernon Hatton, but more particularly Johnny Cox, for the 1958 Champs. And, hey ... they never convicted Bill Spivey of doing anything wrong for the 1951 Champs. And don't forget Hagan and Ramsey, who went 25-0 in 1954. Etc., etc.
Bottom line ... IMHO Issel is the most overrated U.K. player in the history of 'Cats basketball. If you take all of the shots, you score the most points.
Just MHO, of course.
I'm still going to say "Go 'Cats" ... but since we now have Calipari for life ... maybe not for long !
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You gotta start with AD, the indispensible piece of the 2012 National Championship. Gotta add Delk as the indispensible piece of the 1996 National Championship. Gotta put in Goose and his 44 from the 1978 NCAA Championship. Can you see where I'm going, here ?
How can you not include Ralph Beard and Alex Groza from back-to-back champs in 1948 and 1949?
And then you can go back and pick up Jeff Shepherd ... the dominant force on the 1998 Champs. And they you can go back and pick up Vernon Hatton, but more particularly Johnny Cox, for the 1958 Champs. And, hey ... they never convicted Bill Spivey of doing anything wrong for the 1951 Champs. And don't forget Hagan and Ramsey, who went 25-0 in 1954. Etc., etc.
Bottom line ... IMHO Issel is the most overrated U.K. player in the history of 'Cats basketball. If you take all of the shots, you score the most points.
Just MHO, of course.
I'm still going to say "Go 'Cats" ... but since we now have Calipari for life ... maybe not for long !
You
I'll take this group and score 92-95/game with them.
PG Wall
SG Murray
SF Knox
PF Mashburn
C Davis
PG Wall
SG Murray
SF Knox
PF Mashburn
C Davis
Wall, Givens, Mashburn, Issel, Davis
I know I have 3 guys sort of out of position, but I think they each could guard the 2-3-4 respectively.
Could go big: Wall, Issel, Bowie, Davis, Cousins (I just dare you to try to score inside 18'; and I think Bowie (pre-injury) & Davis would do ok on the 3-pt shooters too)
If I have to stick to their primary position at UK, then I guess it will be: Wall, Delk, Givens, Mashburn, Davis. (maybe only because I never saw Issel play)
I know I have 3 guys sort of out of position, but I think they each could guard the 2-3-4 respectively.
Could go big: Wall, Issel, Bowie, Davis, Cousins (I just dare you to try to score inside 18'; and I think Bowie (pre-injury) & Davis would do ok on the 3-pt shooters too)
If I have to stick to their primary position at UK, then I guess it will be: Wall, Delk, Givens, Mashburn, Davis. (maybe only because I never saw Issel play)
Ripcord your comment about Issel is the dumbest thing I have read here. You need to put the bottle down and step back off the ledge. Just wow.
I'll give you one. There are many. UK has just far too many great players over the decades to choose just five. I'll even step into the waybac machine for a couple, and have no doubts about the outcome
Frank Ramsey
Rajon Rondo
Derek Anderson
Dan Issel
Bill Spivey
(note: This team could kill many other all-star UK teams just on the strength of the rebounding)
Here's another. I'd like their chances...
Rex Chapman
John Wall
Tayshaun Prince
Antoine Walker
Sam Bowie
Don't forget Frank Ramsey. 1344 points in 3 years, and a mind-bending 1038 rebounds. He, Bogans and Fitch are the only guards on UK's all-time rebounding list, but while Bogans is #38 and Fitch is #46, Ramsey is #2 behind only Issel (though in reality, he's probably #3. Spivey is #36 with 567, but that's only one of his two years. If both years had been recorded, Spivey would very likely have been #1)
This is based solely off college production, not including nba careers. Which makes the playing a field more even. It will be a few years yet before we can make a top NBA all-time Kentucky Team. Those teams would look much different.
Let me tell you a couple of three things. Forget Davis ? Forget John wall? Forget Antoine walker
Givens-Mashburn-Spivey strikes me as a particularly strong front court. Not that there aren't many other possibilities.
I never saw either play, but having seen films/videos of each, it would be interesting to pair Dwight Anderson with Spivey. Anderson was lightening fast while Spivey was a rebounding monster who could throw the ball the length of the court as if it were a baseball. Would make a deadly fast break combo.
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good points. Spivey. Relative arm length on that monster. Crazy. He would win a championship.