Cal not a COY candidate
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I read a quote that he is the only coach of a top-12 team in either the AP or Coach’s Poll that isn’t included. Is there anyone that still thinks the anti-Cal bias is a myth? It’s just ridiculous.
Yep, this is correct. He's the only coach of an AP top 12 team that is NOT on this list, and it's completely ridiculous. If you look at where this team was following that debacle against Duke to start the season and then compare it to where they are now, a top 5 team with a real chance at a 1-seed, it's really an embarrassment (to the Naismith committee, not Cal or UK) that he's not on this list.
But hey, I hope the coaching staff and the team take this personally and use it as an extra bit of motivation.
Cal isn't worried about it, for some reason people don't like him whether it's jealousy or because he wins. I've never heard of him saying anything bad about anyone even John Chaney. Being coach at Kentucky is bigger than coy, he don't need the recognition everybody knows who he is and he's a hall of famer, so they can stick their list.
I agree! Screw dook, uncheat, loserville, indiana, uconn, kansas and bill self’s hair piece and everyone that didn’t nominate Calipari!
Just bring home #9 coach. You will be the coach of the year in the BBN eyes and thats all that matters.
Personally, I think this is one of the best coaching jobs of Cal's tenure at UK. I think he's actually built and nurtured a team - you know, like coaches used to have to do before the revolving door of OADs. At the beginning of the season, I thought UK was going to be mediocre (by UK standards). Then y'all whipped our *** (Go Heels!). I still thought we just played poorly and that y'all still weren't that good. But I have finally come around and realize that UK is a very good team this year and one of about 6 teams that I feel could win the title.
But this is still curious to me. Why do some of y'all feel people are out to get UK? I mean, y'all may be right. But if you are right, I'd like to hear why you think people would be going after UK? I don't buy the "jealousy" thing. Because these aren't other coaches going after Cal. He's apparently well liked by other coaches. This is the media. What do they have to be jealous of Cal for? It's just not a logical explanation.
I'm not sure what's funny about his inclusion. Like Cal, this year is one of Roy's best coaching jobs. We have a team led largely by guys that other top notch teams didn't want or wouldn't use. Luke Maye is a former walk-on. Kenny Williams was initially committed to VCU. Cam Johnson was a one dimensional guy who initially played at the powerhouse of Pittsburgh. The list of schools to make Garrison Brooks' final consideration was more reflective of football greatness. Sterling Manley and Andrew Platek were ranked in the 300s coming out of high school. Sure, Nas and Coby are big time recruits but for the most part, this team is a collection of misfits. Yet Roy has them in the top 5 and like UK, shooting for a 1 seed. I think it's remarkable and certainly worthy of being on the list.
But this is still curious to me. Why do some of y'all feel people are out to get UK? I mean, y'all may be right. But if you are right, I'd like to hear why you think people would be going after UK? I don't buy the "jealousy" thing. Because these aren't other coaches going after Cal. He's apparently well liked by other coaches. This is the media. What do they have to be jealous of Cal for? It's just not a logical explanation.
I'm not sure what's funny about his inclusion. Like Cal, this year is one of Roy's best coaching jobs. We have a team led largely by guys that other top notch teams didn't want or wouldn't use. Luke Maye is a former walk-on. Kenny Williams was initially committed to VCU. Cam Johnson was a one dimensional guy who initially played at the powerhouse of Pittsburgh. The list of schools to make Garrison Brooks' final consideration was more reflective of football greatness. Sterling Manley and Andrew Platek were ranked in the 300s coming out of high school. Sure, Nas and Coby are big time recruits but for the most part, this team is a collection of misfits. Yet Roy has them in the top 5 and like UK, shooting for a 1 seed. I think it's remarkable and certainly worthy of being on the list.
Yet Barnes made the list with the same veteran team from last year doing about the same thing or a little worse.
I don’t think it’s ridiculous. We were picked as preseason number one largely based on Bahamas play and who we brought in. We have under achieved in the eyes of many national people. Izzo and ratface are only on that list bc they have suffered big losses of players. The rest have overachieved to a certain degree.
We didn’t lose 8 players through the course of the season. COY isn’t won based on recruiting dawg
Not talking about recruiting dawg. i’m talking about starting from scratch and developing an entirely new group of players dawg. l think travis is a big loss too dawg.
It’s stupid to use preseason polls to rank teams whose players haven’t played a game dawg.
You don’t think it’s ridiculous based even just on the fact alone that he’s the only coach of a top 12 team not included?
He has done every bit as good of a job as K. At least so far.
“Out to get UK” isn’t the same thing as bias against Cal. It’s there.
Why was Cal “ruining college basketball with OADs” all you heard from the national media (and even opposing fans) FOR YEARS until Coach K decided to copy it? How much has the national media criticized K? Funny, that it suddenly became acceptable.
With the ugly underbelly of college basketball being exposed over the past few seasons, the NCAA has done very little to zero about it. Yet they intervene and reprimand when Cal was honored very briefly on a game day after he had reached a landmark in all-time wins. Made them blot it from the UK records. Seriously?
And you really don’t see the ridiculousness of him being the only coach of a top twelve team in either poll being left off of the COY list as strange?
COY has never been based on recruiting or “starting from scratch”. it’s always based on results on the court for that season. And yeah dawg you are talking about recruiting and no losing Travis for a few games give me a break. If anything it’s good he isn’t being recognized will give him some extra fire for the tournament. Stop being so sensitive about cal. That’s for all posters not just the guy I’m replying to. He can take it and he can dish it out.
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I don't know why but I just wanted to post "DAWG":grimace::grimace::grimace::grimace:
Then we will just have to agree to disagree.
It isn’t easy taking a brand new team (every year) made up of guys just months removed from high school (some that should still be there), making them into title contenders. No matter how many stars they had by their name. K found that out with a couple of his teams. Same for Cal.
I do find it strange. No doubt. Especially since I think he's done a great job this year. And I see what you're saying. Hell, another post of yours might completely convince me. But even if I believed there is a bias against Cal from the NCAA, how would that effect his being selected for COY (or even consideration)? It's not like the NCAA is handing out that award. So either the NCAA is influencing the AP (possible, I guess) or the voters also have a beef with Cal. If it's the former, then I guess your explanation would make some sense. The NCAA doesn't like Cal for kind of inventing the OAD culture? I could see that. But if it's the latter, why would AP voters have a bias against Cal?
Hang on for a minute: we don’t know if we have a title contender and haven’t had one since 2014-15. Ok the 2017 team was very good but they weren’t title caliber. I think this team had the potential to be a contender but that remains to be seen:
I agree it’s tough to build a winning team each year with new players. That’s his system he built and doesn’t factor into the equation. Like I said these coy nominations are based on what you do with your season. Honestly the list should be 6 coaches not 12 and at the end of the day it doesn’t matter whether you are nominated or not.
Good lord, you can't be serious.
Current records as of 2/28/2019:
Duke: 24-4
UK: 24-4
Tell us why, if it's based on results on the court, that Calipari was left off, but K was not? Same records as of today, so same results on the court. In fact, they are nearly ranked the same in the polls. K lost Zion for a couple of games, and has promptly choked 2 out of 3 games. If he was such a damned awesome coach, shouldn't he have overcome the injury to Zion and won all three? That would have been impressive coaching.
UNC: 23-5
MSU: 23-5
UK: 24-4
Tell us why, if it's based on results on the court, that Calipari was left off, but Roy and Izzo were not? UK has a better record as of today, so better results with a younger team than either UNC or MSU.
Awesome news! Now Cal will have a HUGE chip on his shoulder and even more motivation to prove them all wrong...
Wait, what? I absolutely think we are title contenders. Right now. Do they have to reach the Final Four before you can claim they are? They are one of about 6 teams that have a legitimate shot. Can someone out of the blue go on an unforeseen run and win six games straight? Sure. But the odds are the championship goes to one of six or so teams.
I agree that in the end it doesn’t really matter if he’s nominated or not though.
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We may be getting our wires crossed a bit. I absolutely do think many in the media (which does the voting in some of these type polls) have had major problems and dislike for Cal. However, like I said in an earlier post, that seems to have softened a tad with some of them in very recent years.
Like it or not, just or unjust, Cal has been and still is a polarizing figure. Many, media and rival fans alike, still think he cheats. Case in point: Dan Dakich had been a critic of Cal and UK. He just recently said that he had figured Cal all wrong. He got to know him in the preseason of this year, and said his opinion of him had totally changed.
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Agree with points 1 & 3. Cal has done a phenomenal job with this team. Agree that Williams has done a great job at UNC this year as well.
As for point 2 , I think it’s a product of the media. We see it today in every aspect of media. Someone bills so and so as _________ for a story. Others piggyback to get their own attention. It builds a perception. Cal isn’t the most humble guy which rubs people raw too. Also he was blamed for destroying CBB with OAD for a few years til others loved by media decided to do it too. That perception is still there. People don’t like him even if they never had an actual reason. JMO
Did you really say the 2017 team wasn't title caliber? I mean really? First, that team went 32-6. 2nd, that team entered the tournament on the longest winning streak in the country. 3rd, we beat the eventual champions on a neutral floor in December and lost to that same team on a buzzer beater in the elite 8 after 4 of our 5 starters had two fouls in the first half and were stuck on the bench. Not to mention the refs were told at halftime to cut the ******** out i.e. making horrible calls or lack thereof with regards to Kentucky.
So I ask, how the hell was that team anything other than being championship caliber? Not trying to be a dick but you gotta explain this view of that team.