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He’s now beyond Jordan because he led a crappy team through a crappy eastern conference?
What’s the argument here?
This is way too simplistic.
Jordan beat good teams to get to his titles (same as LeBron). Jordan’s opponents never won anything as far as hardware because he beat them. Your effort to negate the real talent that the ’92 Blazers, ’93 Suns, ’96 Sonics (one could note that the ’92/’93 Knicks were loaded as well), and Utah teams is curious, to say the least.
And yes, he did have to go through multiple title-winning champions. The Pistons.
Also, did Bron only lose to the Spurs and Warriors? Nope.
And Bron has dominated an eastern conference that has produce two great teams in the last decade: Boston and Miami.
We can play this game ad infinitum. Both MJ and LBJ will be in discussion forever, but acting like one set of criteria is more vital than another is subjective.
If you think NBA games are not fixed then all you need to do is watch the last game between Boston and Cleveland. It was obvious from the beginning that the NBA could not afford to have Boston win. They desperately need James playing in the finals and regardless what it took that is exactly what was going to happen. And, of course, that is exactly what did happen.
1. Jordan was late 38, 39, early 40 when playing for the Wizards. He also missed two entire seasons due to broken leg and baseball(i.e. gambling)
2. James supporting cast on this team and 2007 are miles worse than any finals team Jordan was a part of
3. Jordan was a psycho-level competitor, which gives him a slight edge over Lebron
4. Both were equally "protected" by officials(MJ clearly shoved off the Jazz guy in '98)
IMO
2. James supporting cast on this team and 2007 are miles worse than any finals team Jordan was a part of
3. Jordan was a psycho-level competitor, which gives him a slight edge over Lebron
4. Both were equally "protected" by officials(MJ clearly shoved off the Jazz guy in '98)
IMO
League is so different now since MJ was in his prime especially with how the game is officiated. Plus much of the physical type of play which was so common is pretty much nonexistent today. MJ in today’s NBA would average 40+ per game.
LBJ is tremendous but I’d still give MJ the nod.
LBJ is tremendous but I’d still give MJ the nod.
How was it "obvious from the beginning" that Cleveland was going to win when Cleveland was losing by 8 after the 1st quarter, and as much as 12 in the 2nd?
Conspiracy tards always see exactly (and only) what they want to see.
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Korver, no. 7 mill a year is a fair NBA price for what he does.
Thompson, Hill, and JR Smith have combined salaries of a tick over 50 million. And LeBron (rightfully) refused to give Cleveland any kind of discount.
You can't compare their two situations. Jordan never played with a supporting cast nearly as bad as LeBron's. Is the east weak? Yes, but still, Jordan was always playing with the most talented supporting cast in the NBA during his title runs, and LeBron just carried one of the bottom 3 rosters in the league to the Finals. Jordan never did anything like that.
Kevin Love is garbage. Absolutely horrendous, and absolutely soft.
Because Hill, Thompson, Smith make almost 60 million between the 3 and dont contribute a lot. Salary doesnt equal talent, there are a ton of guys in the NBA with bad contracts.
I agree, I'm a fan of both and think of both of them as the greatest in their generation. I was just providing a counter point.
The eastern conference should be ashamed of itself. I mean at the end of the day Lebron James was born and raised in OHIO. The greatest of all time would NEVER come from the state of OHIO my friends. N E V E R. This ain't golf.
He is disqualified from jump lmfao....ohio lol *** a buckeye.
He is disqualified from jump lmfao....ohio lol *** a buckeye.
Jordan was on Stacked teams and Jordan does not have the all around game LeBron has.Lebron is the Greatest to ever play game. Oh yeah Jordan had Phil Jackson in his coaching prime as well. Give me LeBron over Jordan any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Lebron did beat a Celtics team with a core that had won a ship, lost in the finals to the lakers and won their divisions 5 straight seasons, twice. He beat them once in the conference semi's and once in the conference finals in back to back years.
He also beat a really good Pistons team in the conference finals minus Ben Wallace. Though that's admittedly a really big missing piece. They did however win the division 2 years without Wallace.
He also beat a really good Pistons team in the conference finals minus Ben Wallace. Though that's admittedly a really big missing piece. They did however win the division 2 years without Wallace.
Not a big James fan but the guy gets held and pushed and beat on non stop. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. He’s so big and strong at the position that he’s very hard to handle.
I don't wanna hear the excuses. They didn't have Hayward the entire season, won 55 games, and had homecourt. Will never understand why some won't ever give LBJ any credit, or just enjoy a generational player in their prime.
So in all of my defense of LeBron you pick that out, even after I said it was good because it raised a bunch of money for charity. As for why it was in poor taste? Ask LeBron, he's apologized for it more than once.
And for the record I'm one of the only people on this board who agrees with a lot of your posts, and probably one of about 3 who shares your political views.
So, to the people using the "Boston had injuries" excuse to hate on LBJ, are you poo-pooing the Warriors win over Houston because Paul was hurt?
Have you actually watched his performance in those 3 series? He has taken his game to another level which is insane. 2 game winners. Swept the top seed. Has had at least 8 40 point games last I heard. We are witnessing greatness personified.
No, because it's all about hating LeBron for reasons I'll never understand.
An injured player isn't replaced by empty production. Like anything else, you have to look deeper. Brown, Rozier and Tatum got more minutes and touches with Kyrie and Hayward out. No, they aren't better players.. but it really isn't THAT much of a drop off. And Tatum could very well go on to be a better player than either of them.
Boston really didn't miss a beat. Not to mention, they didn't have Gordon all season.
Boston really didn't miss a beat. Not to mention, they didn't have Gordon all season.
People don't hate Lebron, they hate his fans and the media who can't and won't stop pushing him as the greatest when he simply isn't. Lebron is an amazing player and what he has done this year is incredible. We should just appreciate that.
Very well said. And while I know it sucks to lose a game 7, Celtics fans should be EXTREMELY excited about the future. As you alluded to, there young players gained valuable experience and still kept the team winning and pushed LeBron to a game 7 and Damn near won. The future is bright for Boston.
In the West, Boston would have lost in the first round. The East is so weak and has been for a decade. The team did a great job and should do well in the future. However, I am not sold on Tatum yet as he seems to be a volume shooter in the mold of Hardin and Anthony and that can disrupt team chemistry.
Oh I beg to differ. There are a shitload of people who flat out hate LeBron James the person. I've witnessed it numerous times. I will readily admit some of his fans go overboard, but most of it is because the hate he receives. I think the 24/7 news cycle, that didn't exist during the Jordan era, does hurt LeBron.
We can't definitively say he's the greatest of all time but he's def the best of his era. I also agree that we should just appreciate what he's doing on the court cause he's a once in a generation. Having said that, it's natural for people to have the GOAT discussion when a player does what LeBron has done and what he's continuing to do.
You dont know my political views and I dont care if no one on this board ever agrees with me. That said I like your post too for the most part and was just curious because because I simply dont get it, I've never understood why it was such a big deal so I asked.
I've been on this board for 6 years and have seen numerous posts of yours on here and the political thread that have kinda painted the picture of your political views. I could be wrong and maybe I am. My bad, even though I think I'm right lol.
As I said I've seen a shitload of your posts and it's very clear you don't care what people think. It's blatantly obvious. It seems like not to many people like your posts and I just wanted to convey that I agree with a large portion of said posts.
Thank you for liking my post. I hadn't seen the whole thread so I went back to discover that you had a post almost identical to mine, minus the decision criticism.
Honestly it wasn't that big a deal. I just felt bad for the Cleveland fans cause word was he was staying in Cleveland. It just kinda felt like those fans were being held hostage waiting until the decision to go to Miami. As I mentioned earlier, all the money raised for charity negates everything, no matter your opinion of the decision. But LeBron did apologize for it.
And I def had no problem with him going to the Heat. Cleveland's front office was terrible and never put any really good players around him. He took the worst team to ever make the finals to the finals. So happy he came back and won one for Cleveland.
Actually, I don't care. I have no dog in this fight bc I'm a Bulls fan. However, the NBA saw the ratings last year for the Finals. It was fixed from the beginning it would be Cavs-Warriors.
So James Harden is probably going to win this season's MVP award. Harden and Houston were up 3-2 in the series when Chris Paul went down. Golden State climbed back to win another trip to the finals. On the other side, LeBron and the Cavs were down 3-2 when they're other all star, Kevin Love got injured. LeBron willed his team of underachievers through the next two games and reminded us how great he is.
The point I'm trying to make here is that LeBron's effort, abilities, numbers and sheer talent are so great and so consistent that most have become unimpressed with him. After one of the games last week, the highlights the next morning started off with "LeBron had a quiet 42 last night." Is there even such a thing as a "quiet 42 point performance in an Eastern Conference Finals game"?
The Cavs lost 4-1 to this Golden State team last year, and that's when they also had Kyrie to help. I would have to assume that the Cavs will be swept this year. Maybe win one at the Q if they have a great shooting night. And amazingly, LeBron will receive criticism from the outcome. Despite the superhuman efforts he has put forth to get his team back to the finals.
The point I'm trying to make here is that LeBron's effort, abilities, numbers and sheer talent are so great and so consistent that most have become unimpressed with him. After one of the games last week, the highlights the next morning started off with "LeBron had a quiet 42 last night." Is there even such a thing as a "quiet 42 point performance in an Eastern Conference Finals game"?
The Cavs lost 4-1 to this Golden State team last year, and that's when they also had Kyrie to help. I would have to assume that the Cavs will be swept this year. Maybe win one at the Q if they have a great shooting night. And amazingly, LeBron will receive criticism from the outcome. Despite the superhuman efforts he has put forth to get his team back to the finals.
Actually, I don't care. I have no dog in this fight bc I'm a Bulls fan. However, the NBA saw the ratings last year for the Finals. It was fixed from the beginning it would be Cavs-Warriors.
Can’t believe the NBA made the Rockets miss 27 straight threes.
It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact.
LeBron is an all time great.
But beating a team without it’s 2 best players proves nothing.
And if UK wasn't outrebounded by 10 in 2016 against UNC, they would have won despite crooked officiating.
Sure that didn't help their cause and that's what everyone will point to but it was a joke it got to 7 games in the first place. Both road teams got absolutely dominated in the first 2 games but both willed their way to victories in Game 7 on the road. If the NBA didn't have such a history of corruption from their draft, to their refs I wouldn't even think this way but come on. This was pretty much destined from the start. They'll milk this Cavs-Warriors series till the ratings fall again, last year set a 20 year high in ratings. 2 best players in the league. A lightning rod of a player in Lebron James. League wants this all day every day. I can't blame them but this was set up.
The Warriors won the first game of the series at Houston....
Great post.
Trash post. At least Skip gets paid millions to spout nonsense. What's your excuse?
Whether you like him or you don't like him you have to admit when it comes to basketball he is a baaaaad man.