Villanova's approach ?

ManitouDan_anon

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I'm quite unfamiliar with them but wonder how they are maintaining their level of success and can it continue ? I dont recall any NBA early entries at all ( could be wrong ? ) so how are they staying at the top ? If they are not getting the cream of the crop why are they doing so well ? Was it 1-2 lucky recruiting classes ? Like he caught a couple late bloomers ? are any of his guys 5 stars ?
 

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I'm quite unfamiliar with them but wonder how they are maintaining their level of success and can it continue ? I dont recall any NBA early entries at all ( could be wrong ? ) so how are they staying at the top ? If they are not getting the cream of the crop why are they doing so well ? Was it 1-2 lucky recruiting classes ? Like he caught a couple late bloomers ? are any of his guys 5 stars ?
The big man Spellman wouldn’t have qualified here. Had to sit out a year. Keeping a kid like Brunson for a third year certainly helps. Keeping a kid like Green for three years at UK would certainly help.
 
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The big man Spellman wouldn’t have qualified here. Had to sit out a year. Keeping a kid like Brunson for a third year certainly helps. Keeping a kid like Green for three years at UK would certainly help.

Spellman wasn’t unqualified - he ran afoul of a new rule about how long you have to finish high school. He changed high schools and restarted ninth grade and it got him. Smart kid.

Villanova wins because they have a real system, recruit for it and don’t break it for any recruit. We get solid 4 stars, a smattering of 5s (Brunson, Spellman, Quinerly) and keep me around. It works.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Before people go overboard.

Jay wright has 11 tournament wins since 09-10 season, when Cal joined UK. Of course his tourney wins can go up, but it won't be anywhere near Cal who has 28 tourney wins .

Won a tiltle 2 years ago , ranked # 1 much of this year , or top 5 anyway , they are trending up . Can they stay up that high ?
 

WildMoon

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Won a tiltle 2 years ago , ranked # 1 much of this year , or top 5 anyway , they are trending up . Can they stay up that high ?

That's a good question. His team is favorite to win it this year as of now.

But it's really hard to see how a coach is with such a short span of success .
 

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Before people go overboard.

Jay wright has 11 tournament wins since 09-10 season, when Cal joined UK. Of course his tourney wins can go up, but it won't be anywhere near Cal who has 28 tourney wins .
If Wright wins a title this year then who cares?
 
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How can you be a lottery pick as a junior? You mean to tell me it's possible for players to return and improve their stock? I've been told otherwise on this board.

In these days tho that's the exception, not the norm. Most really good players go after 1 or 2 years.

That's why what Villanova has this season I don't think it can be easily repicated
 

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In these days tho that's the exception, not the norm. Most really good players go after 1 or 2 years.

That's why what Villanova has this season I don't think it can be easily repicated
I'm just saying, people talk about Hami like he has to go now when it's in his best interest to return.
 
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FWIW Brunson, Bridges, DiVincenzo.........all on that title winning team as freshman. Bridges was good from the beginning. The other guys looking at their stats looks like the jump was from freshman to sophomore.
 
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Sure didn’t hurt that WVU had 10 fouls to start the second half before Nova got their second one. Took WVU completely out of their game.
 
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Sure didn’t hurt that WVU had 10 fouls to start the second half before Nova got their second one. Took WVU completely out of their game.

Kinda expected tho. WVU fouls a lot playing the way they do and Nova really doesn’t foul on defense.

I know lots think this is a ref thing and there’s a small bit to that but there is a real skill involved in getting to the line on offense and playing defense by not fouling.

That’s why the four factors of efficiency is shooting, turnovers, rebounds and getting to the line.
 
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I think you have to be somewhat fortunate that guys stay around.

I don't know if that's really sustainable long term tho.
Most of their players are local talent, which means that Wright has a lot to pick from in his own area. Not sure how many five stars he has but his teams always have a lot of veterans which makes them so good.
 

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I watched Villanova a few times this year. Biggest difference between them and UK. They have shooters, and honestly that was the biggest flaw of this year UK team.
UK needs consistent shooters who can straight drain them.
We haven’t had that really since Doron Lamb. Devin Booker is another who comes to mind, but the last few years bleh...Monk was inconsistent one game hot another cold.
 

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Spellman wasn’t unqualified - he ran afoul of a new rule about how long you have to finish high school. He changed high schools and restarted ninth grade and it got him. Smart kid.

Villanova wins because they have a real system, recruit for it and don’t break it for any recruit. We get solid 4 stars, a smattering of 5s (Brunson, Spellman, Quinerly) and keep me around. It works.

Yeah, rooting for Nova to win it all (although I wouldn’t mind seeing Michigan get one). It’s definitely a successful system and doesn’t seem to have the headaches of some of the other approaches.

Still had quite a few early tourney exits despite being a high seed- 2010, 2014, 2015, 2017 but when it works, it works.
 

YouKay

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Kinda expected tho. WVU fouls a lot playing the way they do and Nova really doesn’t foul on defense.

I know lots think this is a ref thing and there’s a small bit to that but there is a real skill involved in getting to the line on offense and playing defense by not fouling.

That’s why the four factors of efficiency is shooting, turnovers, rebounds and getting to the line.

Nova actually played a game in December that they finished with zero fouls. This isn't their best defensive team ever but Wright is really big on teaching guys to play D without fouling. People always think they get "the good whistle," but they are more like the 90s and early 2000s Duke teams that just didn't foul very much but got fouled a lot.
 
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Nova actually played a game in December that they finished with zero fouls. This isn't their best defensive team ever but Wright is really big on teaching guys to play D without fouling. People always think they get "the good whistle," but they are more like the 90s and early 2000s Duke teams that just didn't foul very much but got fouled a lot.

The funny thing about that is that wasn’t always the case. Back in early 2010s his teams had major fouling issues which hurt their overall defense. But around 2012 I guess his philosophy changed and since then they have played defense without fouling.
 

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I would also say that Jay Wright definitely believes guards win championships. His best teams always had great guards. People forget that Kyle Lowry played for him. Josh Hart is playing well for the Lakers this year. He developed Ryan Arcidiacono over 4 years and even when Brunson came in with his 5 star rep and NBA pedigree Wright kept him on the bench and started Arcidiacono. Now Brunson is that steady experienced guy.
 
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