Given what we've seen from the NCAA in recent years, I find that philosophy to be borderline insane.
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Given what we've seen from the NCAA in recent years, I find that philosophy to be borderline insane.
Absolutely not.
There's no benefit of getting out in front of anything. Only give up what the NCAA forcibly takes from your grip after fighting it in court for years.
It's abundantly clear that there's no honor or nobility here. It would be idiotic to cripple a program voluntarily while everyone else bands together and stonewalls. Make them take every single one of you down while you all fight the punishment at once. They won't and can't.
But if I had to guess I'd say you're going to find out it was after season & for NBA combine, workouts, etc.
I have zero problem with any of this. Only middle to upper class white people have a problem with this. If a plane ticket, a meal etc...helps a provide a good opportunity for some kid to better his & family's life....then great!
Like I said....this is a complete waste of time for the FBI & our tax money! I'd rather FBI be busy doing something worthwhile.
This just proves what I've told you guys for years now. Everyone is getting paid by someone.
I'll sit back and wait for those of you who called me crazy to apologize.
I'll sit back and wait for those of you who called me crazy to apologize.
It is rumored on a quiet night, If you listen closely, you can hear the sound of shredding paper and hammers killing hard drives.
How would you be crippling a program by forfeiting 2 seasons that ended in nothing? or do you feel they would add on other things since we basically say, "we're guilty"
Getting out in front and doing the right thing is laudable - but with so many unknowns it could prove foolish. Once you raise your hand and say “I did it” about something relatively small, it’s hard to do anything else if/when big bombshells come out. To that many will say, still, do the right thing, confess your sins and take your punishment - again laudable, until you realize others who did worse but have been resistant to confess are getting away with much worse.....
I understand everyone's point (like yours) in saying let this play out. Completely understand.
I think the second you admit to wrongdoing or allow them to poke around, you're inviting whatever they want to do with whatever they happen to find.
It's not often that folks who talk to the police without a lawyer "just to clear things up" end up going anywhere but jail.
They're chasing at least 50 programs right now over what looks like at least 17 years (Brendan Haywood is named). To make that job any easier on them, or to be the one who steps up as some kind of martyr of integrity would be the dumbest thing any program could do.
This would be like a teenage house party getting busted, everyone scampering in a hundred directions, and then turning yourself in at the police station on Monday morning.
No school should ever self-report again imo. Look at the difference between Louisville and North Carolina. Admit it and you will get burned at the stake, deny and deflect and they can't do anything.
Being the good guy and trying to do the right thing does not work in these situations. Deny, deny, deny... don't talk about it, hire multi billion dollar lawyers and go from there.. The UNCheat Way!
I guess I’m not being clear. Yes, the FBI has a mountain of evidence. Financial records of Miller plus over 4,000 calls and texts. Naturally, several people have seen that evidence - FBI agents, prosecutors and defense attorneys, etc. And at least one of them is talking to Forde and Thamel. My guess is it’s someone representing one of the accused. How much more have they shared with Yahoo? How much will they share? How much of what the FBI has will ever see the light of day? I think all we know right now is this spreadsheet, and that’s all the NCAA has. Maybe they will get more eventually. But not as of yet.
Question to ask yourself, imagine it’s not us and what’s your stance?
If you want to pick a program to go through a scandal with, pick Duke and Coach K. They don't have the guts to go after Duke and we look to be tied with them(and every other program involved), so I feel good.
Wait, why would UK just roll over and forfeit two seasons when they had no knowledge of the infractions and had nothing to do with it?
I say stay in contact with the NCAA, but play your cards only when it's your turn.
What I mean by that is this is a systemic issue and it's at the AAU level. Crushing college programs for this is wrong and I think the NCAA needs to change their stance on how they handle this since it involves almost every D1 program.
Also, with Duke and UNC involved you would be a fool to jump off the cliff because the NCAA will not punish those two programs.
It would suck to vacate two seasons and have the NCAA clear everyone else afterwards.
And I totally see your point. It's the correct one in a vacuum or a perfect world. It's what every program would do and we'd all take a major hit and then start back on an even playing field.
I just have no faith in that happening and I don't want us to be the stupid program who tries to do the right thing. But I bet Mitch Barnhart will.
Johnson was already out of school when the loan happened. Nothing to see there
I agree with you.
I edited my post you replied to saying that I agree with those saying not to do this.
Why would a player out of school free to sign with any agent need a loan?
Tough to argue it was for post college activity when the money was handed over in 2015 and he played college ball in 16-17.
Go fly a kite with this BS!!! It has nothing to do with race. It' a federal crime, money laundering, not paying taxes!
The player pays the agent to rep him. The loan (or advance) would be paid back when pro contract is signed.
Difference is UL had knowledge and set up the strippers and parties on campus. Completely different from players or player families taking benefits and the University having no knowledge of payments.
For me....the same. I'm just disappointed we didn't find Duke, Kansas, players being paid a 6 figures to play there.
If all Knox received was a meal, and the school had no knowledge and was not involved in setting it up, then it is safe to assume that he would be able to pay it back to restore eligibility.
It’s different when a member of the school orchestrates an extra benefit and takes steps to hide it indicating they know it is a clear violation. That’s why the committee said that to UL. Much dirtier situation with Louisville as far as the school is concerned based on the information released thus far.
Federal crime on who? The agent? It's not a federal crime on the kids or their families.
I'm honestly not worried.. I said it weeks ago when it looked like Kentucky wasn't involved.. but you still can't punish that many schools on a large level. And if Kentucky and WSU and NCState get some lavish punishments and Duke/UNC walks there will be riots. You might as well put 2/23/2018 on the NCAA's tombstone.