Bam and Knox

[DerekMcPwn]

This has been very good morning lulz. I am completely unconcerned about all of this. None of these transactions implicate the university in any way, so while they might affect eligibility, there won’t be any sanctions. And Knox is still here, so he could restore any impermissible benefit and keep playing.

NEXT.

 

[mdlUK.1]

So could we have two seasons vacated? Does cal survive this?

GFY u6 fan!

 

[Beatle Bum]

This actually isn't nearly as damning as I thought. Knox will not sit or be ruled ineligible for accepting a meal. Maybe the Noel and Bam teams are impacted but it seems unlikey they do anything to those records.

Are the dates for Noel for times he was a student?

 

[precipitance]

They have proven that they cannot handle multiple things at the same time

What happened in FL is beyond a screw up

In no way am I making light of that massive screw up in Florida . I stand by the rest of my statement.

 

[Bluesnky]

Everyone should go ahead and assume that Forde has the Dec 31, 2016 balance sheet and all transactions up until the point of seizure. They are drip drip dripping this out for maximum exposure as the nation turns its eyes to March Madness.

Looks like Mark Gottfried was neck deep in this stuff and that is probably where the Bam stuff comes in. It might screw us.

 

[CB3UK]

Whatever the outcome is, we need to rip it off like a band aid and address it and move on.

 

[gracetoyou]

I was expecting something a lot more earth-shattering for someone. Like kids getting paid 6 figures to play for schools.

Instead this looks like the uncovering of kids coming from poor families, trying to make it & needing a little help with expenses.

If this is it this was a complete waste of time and American taxpayer money.

 

[JAC71]

Nothing happened with Corey Magette or Lance "Bling Bling" Thomas.

That's what I do not understand is how did duke get out of that with no punishment. They sued Myron Piggie and it worked .

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

By the way, first question is credibility, does the NCAA think this spreadsheet, just handwritten notes, is enough to tell a kid he’s ineligible? We’re not talking about a recorded call with people arranging a $100,000 payment.

Right.
I don't know what evidence they have but I could open Excel, create a spreadsheet of names and amounts and make up anything lol

 

[Lovebaskelball]

so what again is illegal for a shoe company or an agent to loan a player money? I can't keep up

Not illegal. An NCAA amateurism issue

It is illegal (Class 1 felony) in 43 states including Kentucky.


Prohibit an agent from furnishing anything of value to a student-athlete before signing a contract
Furnish anything of value to any individual other than the student-athlete or another registered athlete agent

 

[ScrewDuke1]

Sitting Knox would be stupid, IMO. Don't see any reason to do that.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

It is illegal (Class 1 felony) in 43 states including Kentucky.


Prohibit an agent from furnishing anything of value to a student-athlete before signing a contract
Furnish anything of value to any individual other than the student-athlete or another registered athlete agent

really? and this agent was so unaware of that they kept an itemized statement of all money given out for years and years with names and dates?

none of that makes much sense

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

No, this is just monies an agent paid to get clients. The real money would come from Adidas and Nike, etc. We’ve not seen anything on that yet.

 

[Bluesnky]

There's more to come. We shall see.

 

[Bluesnky]

No, this is just monies an agent paid to get clients. The real money would come from Adidas and Nike, etc. We’ve not seen anything on that yet.

There's some $70,000+ paid to Dennis Smith, Jr., right?

 

[bthaunert]

By the way, first question is credibility, does the NCAA think this spreadsheet, just handwritten notes, is enough to tell a kid he’s ineligible? We’re not talking about a recorded call with people arranging a $100,000 payment.

They have over 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps, financial records, emails, etc. It's more than a spreadsheet of hand written notes.

Anyone who thought someone associated with UK was not going to be in this mess was naive. It doesn't make it acceptable because other schools were involved. It seems Bam and Noel are pretty clear cut as of right now. If this is the case, forfeit those 2 seasons. The Knox one, I don't see anything coming of that.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

 

[KYCAT78]

Call me crazy, but this looks good to me. The Auburn-Cam Newton precedent will protect us and regardless, there too many big names involved, NCAA will def punt on this[/QUOTE A Cam Newton change was put in following that season.

 

[Lovebaskelball]

really? and this agent was so unaware of that they kept an itemized statement of all money given out for years and years with names and dates?

none of that makes much sense

Uniform Athlete Agents Act. The agents are aware but the act is not enforced regularly.

 

[RoyKent]

Have to think this is just the start. This is big but not the crazy, bombshell stuff I think everyone was expecting.

Either way, none of it is good. NCAA has crewed themselves with their policies.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

I would be shocked if they went back and vacated any season TBH.

Now when news comes for how much money the shoe companies paid players that might be a different story.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

They have over 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps, financial records, emails, etc. It's more than a spreadsheet of hand written notes.

Anyone who thought someone associated with UK was not going to be in this mess was naive. It doesn't make it acceptable because other schools were involved. It seems Bam and Noel are pretty clear cut as of right now. If this is the case, forfeit those 2 seasons. The Knox one, I don't see anything coming of that.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

The FBI has 4,000 conversations. That doesn’t mean Yahoo Sports or the NCAA has it. In fact, I don’t think there’s anyway all the FBI evidence gets out, there’s a limited number of ways it can get out. Question is how much will get out....

 

[GonzoCat90]

This isn't it. This is the start of it.

It looks like it's going to be so big it doesn't matter. If the building burns down it doesn't matter that your desk was dirty.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Nm

 

[MoneyMuntz]

FWIW. The article says that Knox met with an agent, but doesn’t confirm either way who paid for the meals. Knox could have paid them or they could have no details in this matter.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

They have over 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps, financial records, emails, etc. It's more than a spreadsheet of hand written notes.

Anyone who thought someone associated with UK was not going to be in this mess was naive. It doesn't make it acceptable because other schools were involved. It seems Bam and Noel are pretty clear cut as of right now. If this is the case, forfeit those 2 seasons. The Knox one, I don't see anything coming of that.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

Elijah Johnson played 4 years at Kansas and he's on the list for 15k, so is Kansas going to vacate 4 years?

 

[Aike]

They have over 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps, financial records, emails, etc. It's more than a spreadsheet of hand written notes.

Anyone who thought someone associated with UK was not going to be in this mess was naive. It doesn't make it acceptable because other schools were involved. It seems Bam and Noel are pretty clear cut as of right now. If this is the case, forfeit those 2 seasons. The Knox one, I don't see anything coming of that.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

Why would we forfeit 2 seasons when Kansas and Duke have forfeited nothing? And we all know what just happened at UNC.

 

[MWes11]

Let's not forget, this is just one agency the FBI is investigating. Think of all the other agencies out there.

 

[bthaunert]

The FBI has 4,000 conversations. That doesn’t mean Yahoo Sports or the NCAA has it. In fact, I don’t think there’s anyway all the FBI evidence gets out, there’s a limited number of ways it can get out. Question is how much will get out....

I was speaking specifically to the poster saying that they only have hand written notes on a spreadsheet that could be fake.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Unless there is evidence Cal or someone at UK set up the loan... then we're fine. This is a corey maggette / Duke case........ school didnt know so like how Duke didnt vacate wins that year... neither should we.

 

[bluejesus]

They have over 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps, financial records, emails, etc. It's more than a spreadsheet of hand written notes.

Anyone who thought someone associated with UK was not going to be in this mess was naive. It doesn't make it acceptable because other schools were involved. It seems Bam and Noel are pretty clear cut as of right now. If this is the case, forfeit those 2 seasons. The Knox one, I don't see anything coming of that.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

I think it's very possible we are seeing the beginning of the dissolution of the NCAA. How long would it take for the commissioners of the conferences to come up with a better way?

 

[bthaunert]

Elijah Johnson played 4 years at Kansas and he's on the list for 15k, so is Kansas going to vacate 4 years?

If he played all 4 years and he received money, yes, they should imo.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

If he played all 4 years and he received money, yes, they should imo.

that will just never ever happen

 

[jsims74_rivals376519]

And this is just the College Basketball side of things. You would have to believe on the Football side, it's 100 times worse.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

There's some $70,000+ paid to Dennis Smith, Jr., right?

Right, and $40,000+ to Bam, etc. Still, this is just Andy Miller trying to develop a relationship with a kid and his family so ultimately they’ll retain him when they need an agent. If Brian Bowen was worth $100,000, how much would Adidas pay, say, Marvin Bagley? And that won’t be a loan, it’s a gift. Not that it matters much, a $5,000 loan is just as much in violation of NCAA rules as a $200,000 gift. One just looks a lot worse....

 

[GonzoCat90]

Remember when everyone in baseball was using steroids and MLB pretended they weren't and then we discovered for sure that they were and baseball started testing more strictly but Barry Bonds is still the homerun leader?

 

[bthaunert]

that will just never ever happen

What i am saying, is, as a program, get out in front of this. Admit that we played ineligible players according to NCAA rules in 2012-2013 and 2016-2017 if there is proof the payments took place (which there seems to be). Forfeit wins in those 2 seasons. Don't do anything with Knox as I feel pretty strongly that accepting a meal would not make him ineligible.

I know people wanna say screw the NCAA, and other schools have gotten off for the same type of thing before. IMO, that's not going to get us anywhere. Forfeit the 2 seasons that ended in an NIT and Elite Eight and get out in front of all of this.

EDIT - Others have talked some sense into me. Stay back, let it play out, and go from there.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

I was speaking specifically to the poster saying that they only have hand written notes on a spreadsheet that could be fake.

Right, that was me - and right now that’s all we know they have, a spreadsheet. They may eventually get or already have more. Well, I should say I haven’t yet read the Yahoo report, I just heard ESPN talking about 330 pages of something, so maybe more evidence is already public, but everyone is talking only about the spreadsheet.

 

[GonzoCat90]

And this is just the College Basketball side of things. You would have to believe on the Football side, it's 100 times worse.

Football is smart about it. Simple. Bag men. They don't need spreadsheets and accountants and agents. Just an alumni with pocket cash and car dealerships that don't ask questions.

 

[metrodayze]

It will be interesting to see how many current players on this list will play this weekend. If these documents pan out I look for Kentucky to have to forfeit all the games that BAM and Noel played. This is truly depressing. Knox may have to repay meals, but he may be shut down in the short term. At this point in the season Knox may be done here. Hope the BAM and Noel payments happened after the season is our only hope.. ..

fyi- in our appeal we noted that the players would have paid their benefits back and become ellifible. The ncaa said there’s no way to assume that and left the penalties as originally handed down. I’m not sure if that helps your idea but i thought i’d say something.
This is bad for all the sport and needs closure asap .
This is just one agencies records. Whether the others have time to bleach bit, idk

 

[bthaunert]

Right, that was me - and right now that’s all we know they have, a spreadsheet. They may eventually get or already have more. Well, I should say I haven’t yet read the Yahoo report, I just heard ESPN talking about 330 pages of something, so maybe more evidence is already public, but everyone is talking only about the spreadsheet.

There is much more:

A source familiar with the investigation -- which includes more than 4,000 conversations intercepted through wiretaps and financial records, emails and other records seized from Miller's office