Forde, Thamel say FBI has Andy Miller wiretaps and documentation of payments to player families
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Maybe they will make us vacate the NIT loss to Robert Morris
People thought I was crazy when I started posting about that connection months ago.
Also the list doesn't include players that are still in college.
How bout stop talking about what you got FBI and go ahead and make your play. Enough with “we got your play book” bull **** and just come out public with it all. You have FBI leakers that just want to keep it alive and drag on is all. I don’t put much faith in the FBI. Just look at the mess they’ve created with Clinton, Trump and Russia.
You gonna do something just f___ing do it for Christ sake.
You gonna do something just f___ing do it for Christ sake.
First time I heard his name was billy d days of getting top recruits at Fla, Bret Bearup ring a bell
Everyone was complaining Mike Miller chooses Fla, kid from Michigan chooses them.
Think Bret was funneling players to Andy Miller.
Imo
Everyone was complaining Mike Miller chooses Fla, kid from Michigan chooses them.
Think Bret was funneling players to Andy Miller.
Imo
Many saw the connection between the schools listed in the FBI investigation and who was recruiting Bagley the day the info dropped. It was stated on here and other places. Biggest recruit tied to specific schools being watched by the FBI.
Some are missing the key part:
“So how deep did Miller’s operation go? One source with knowledge of the investigation estimated that ASM Sports was paying more than three times as many prospects, and families of prospects, as clients they signed. The impact on the NCAA landscape is expected to be significant. No one is certain if the federal government is targeting other NBA agents amid the competitive landscape, but it is widely believed within the sport that Miller was far from the only agent operating in this manner.”
If that’s true, the fact that he doesn’t rep any Kentucky kids isn’t very important.
The other key part is this:
“There’s no certainty NCAA enforcement will receive all the information the government compiled, though it clearly would be valuable in pursuing cases against member schools. “That is the exact kind of information the NCAA will implore the U.S. Attorney’s office to provide at some point,” Brown said. “Also, if there are plea agreements with any of the defendants, the feds could make cooperation with the NCAA part of those plea agreements.”
Except the “all” in that first sentence should be “any”. The feds don’t routinely share evidence. There’s a decent chance the NCAA never gets the info, or at least not enough of it to bring the sport to its knees, as Thamel keeps saying.....
“So how deep did Miller’s operation go? One source with knowledge of the investigation estimated that ASM Sports was paying more than three times as many prospects, and families of prospects, as clients they signed. The impact on the NCAA landscape is expected to be significant. No one is certain if the federal government is targeting other NBA agents amid the competitive landscape, but it is widely believed within the sport that Miller was far from the only agent operating in this manner.”
If that’s true, the fact that he doesn’t rep any Kentucky kids isn’t very important.
The other key part is this:
“There’s no certainty NCAA enforcement will receive all the information the government compiled, though it clearly would be valuable in pursuing cases against member schools. “That is the exact kind of information the NCAA will implore the U.S. Attorney’s office to provide at some point,” Brown said. “Also, if there are plea agreements with any of the defendants, the feds could make cooperation with the NCAA part of those plea agreements.”
Except the “all” in that first sentence should be “any”. The feds don’t routinely share evidence. There’s a decent chance the NCAA never gets the info, or at least not enough of it to bring the sport to its knees, as Thamel keeps saying.....
Bret would know who has to worry and who doesn’t. Knows all the agents, many NBA and college coaches and is buddies with Dan Wetzel, to name one.
I cruised by the Zona board. Their fans are sweating,
Imagine their coach. He's drenched no doubt, as usual
What is the crime involved here? I know it's an NCAA violation, but why does the FBI care if shoe companies pay kids to go to certain schools?
USC guard ensnared in FBI investigation withdraws from school to prepare for pro career
Jeff Eisenberg
The DaggerFeb 21, 2018, 1:15 PM
The suspended USC guard ensnared in the FBI investigation is done with college basketball.
Prized sophomore De’Anthony Melton announced Wednesday that he is withdrawing from USC and focusing on preparing for next June’s NBA draft.
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Melton has not played for the Trojans this season due to eligibility concerns stemming from the FBI investigation into bribery and corruption in college basketball. USC announced last month that it is holding Melton out of competition for at least the rest of the 2017-18 season after the school’s internal investigation corroborated that would-be agent Christian Dawkins paid a family friend of Melton’s $5,000 in exchange for advising the prospect to hire Dawkins and financial advisor Munish Sood when he turned pro.
USC allowed Melton to remain on scholarship and practice with the team. The school did not rule out the possibility that he could potentially compete for the Trojans next season had he chosen to remain in school for another year.
Melton is considered a potential late first-round pick this June even though he has not had a chance to show off his development this season. The dynamic wing needs to demonstrate during workouts that his outside shooting has improved, but he was USC’s most disruptive perimeter defender as a freshman and he showed a knack for guarding multiple positions, making plays in the open court and finishing in transition.
The absence of Melton is a big reason USC has not lived up to expectations this season.
USC began the season in the top 15 of the AP poll thanks to the return of a handful of key players from last year’s NCAA tournament team and the arrival of a talented freshman class. With Melton sidelined, forward Bennie Boatwright now out for the season due to injury and the FBI investigation hanging over the program, the Trojans (19-9, 10-5) are on the NCAA tournament bubble.
I'd never hire a guy named Munish Sood to manage my cash.
Money laundering and tax evasion is illegal. Unreported money changing hands is why they are involved.
if you’ve read how these professionals ended up in the college game you would know it doesn’t have anything to do with schools per se. These kids are being defrauded of their amateur status , some , withoutout their knowledge as family members are depositing cash for the sale of their own kids . They are stained before a school can recruit them.
And some are directly involved w schools.
The NCAA is guilty ( and will be proven) of conspiracy to defraud the public as they e known too long.
Ok, so if that is the case, then wouldn't those in trouble be the agents and families who got paid and didn't report the income? What is the culpability of the schools if they were not involved. I'm assuming not all schools took active roles like UL did.
I have no idea but if the players are lottery type players there could big money involved either directly or thru second parties. Shoe contracts = big money.
Those are my thoughts too but if there is proof that the schools knew about it they could be tied in too. Any how I think the families and agents are the illegal ones but if the players are found ineligible then the NCAA will have to punish the schools for playing those players. Could be why Bagley is sitting out and why KU didn't play Preston.
I don’t care regardless. If there’s corruption then get it out. I won’t blindly defend anyone. I’m also not naive to the sewer that college basketball and football are in terms of shadiness.
I mean, Alabama football players openly show off their incredible cars. Every big college ball star seems to have handlers and some shady AAU crap to go along with them.
Big Cal fan. Hope he is here until he retires but I will not be like Louisville or UNC fans if something legit comes out.
I mean, Alabama football players openly show off their incredible cars. Every big college ball star seems to have handlers and some shady AAU crap to go along with them.
Big Cal fan. Hope he is here until he retires but I will not be like Louisville or UNC fans if something legit comes out.
After reading this it seems to me that tax issues and other money issues may be in play for agents,families and shoe companies.So far schools that had employees(asst. coaches or coaches) have already been named in the first round of this mess (which happened about the time the season started) What we seem to be hearing now is an attempt by the media to keep the story alive and tie it to the upcoming conference and NCAA tournaments. Forde and Thamel are trying to spin this into something it isn't and may never become(an NCAA issue) I think we are a long way from that being an issue that will have any effect on who is playing in this year's tournament,down the road it may become an issue but it will be like the current UL situation with vacated wins.
I'm pretty sure the NCAA isn't going to say since we don't know who is guilty of what let's just call off the tournament and forget the whole thing till next year.
I'm pretty sure the NCAA isn't going to say since we don't know who is guilty of what let's just call off the tournament and forget the whole thing till next year.
The only player we got in that time period that would concern me is Skal due to the people he had around him in high school and how he committed here kinda out of left field. Although you could make the case that Bam coming was a shock too but I don’t think he’s dirty.
I think it's possible that could happen in some cases, but it's unlikely IMO, that these agents would be pushing kids to schools if those schools were not involved. What would be the motive?
I know most of the Media, Basketball fans have been talking last 2-3 years how Coach Cal had lost his recruiting touch. I think we will see in the coming months just why Coach Cal wasn't landing the Top 5 and Top 10 kids in recruiting. We have seen in the last couple of years how Coach Cal backed away from so many players that we as fans we even saying Why did we back away and stop recruiting this kid and why did he go to Arizona, Alabama, LSU, Kansas, or other schools.
We also know when Coach Cal came to Kentucky it was discussed a lot about his past with Memphis and UMASS and recruiting even though the NCAA said Coach Cal had nothing to do with those issues. How the NCAA has always looked at UK and then Coach Cal coming to UK 8 years ago everyone was discussing the potential problems that it could create at UK. I think that the Media, Rival Schools, and fans forgot is Kentucky has the best Compliance office in the NCAA. In 2013 Barnhart also hired Rachel Newman Baker who served as the NCAA managing director of enforcement for development and investigations, and was named the senior associate athletics director for compliance at the University of Kentucky to work with Sandy Bell. So, we have one the best Compliance Office in the NCAA.
I know with so many of the Head Coaches in the Men's NCAA they are not like Coach Cal. Many of the Media and Fans say that Cal sometimes pushes the players to the NBA. I don't think he is pushing them out the door but if Coach Cal believes like last year BAM if you will go as a lottery pick he will help you. Last year at one time Bam was discussing about returning to Kentucky and Cal does make the calls to the NBA people he knows and as we found out Miami Heat Pat Riley said if Bam was available he would take him. Bam was available and he went 14th as a lottery pick at Miami. We know other head coaches tries to keep there top 1st and 2nd round NBA players and have them come back in year 2. Coach Self, Smith, K are all Head Coaches that want to keep them in year 2. The point is if your considered a One and Done the history at Kentucky is that after Year 1 you will be heading to the NBA if your considered a 1st round and sometimes a 2nd round pick. There has been players last 2 years like Briscoe and others that wasn't even in the 1st or 2nd round in most Mock Draft Boards for the NBA but still went Pro.
At Kentucky you don't need paid or setup to be paid over years because if your considered a One-and-Done you will be a Millionaire after being with UK in just 1 year. I just think with this, and having the best Compliance Department in NCAA, and how Coach Cal and UK back off in last couple of years with the Top 5 and Top 10 players and there was a few players that everyone was confused why Kentucky and Coach Cal had backed off these players. Some of these Top players were literally begging to come to UK if offered by UK and Coach Cal. I think a lot of fans now see why Coach Cal and UK backed off on some of these Top Players.
We also know when Coach Cal came to Kentucky it was discussed a lot about his past with Memphis and UMASS and recruiting even though the NCAA said Coach Cal had nothing to do with those issues. How the NCAA has always looked at UK and then Coach Cal coming to UK 8 years ago everyone was discussing the potential problems that it could create at UK. I think that the Media, Rival Schools, and fans forgot is Kentucky has the best Compliance office in the NCAA. In 2013 Barnhart also hired Rachel Newman Baker who served as the NCAA managing director of enforcement for development and investigations, and was named the senior associate athletics director for compliance at the University of Kentucky to work with Sandy Bell. So, we have one the best Compliance Office in the NCAA.
I know with so many of the Head Coaches in the Men's NCAA they are not like Coach Cal. Many of the Media and Fans say that Cal sometimes pushes the players to the NBA. I don't think he is pushing them out the door but if Coach Cal believes like last year BAM if you will go as a lottery pick he will help you. Last year at one time Bam was discussing about returning to Kentucky and Cal does make the calls to the NBA people he knows and as we found out Miami Heat Pat Riley said if Bam was available he would take him. Bam was available and he went 14th as a lottery pick at Miami. We know other head coaches tries to keep there top 1st and 2nd round NBA players and have them come back in year 2. Coach Self, Smith, K are all Head Coaches that want to keep them in year 2. The point is if your considered a One and Done the history at Kentucky is that after Year 1 you will be heading to the NBA if your considered a 1st round and sometimes a 2nd round pick. There has been players last 2 years like Briscoe and others that wasn't even in the 1st or 2nd round in most Mock Draft Boards for the NBA but still went Pro.
At Kentucky you don't need paid or setup to be paid over years because if your considered a One-and-Done you will be a Millionaire after being with UK in just 1 year. I just think with this, and having the best Compliance Department in NCAA, and how Coach Cal and UK back off in last couple of years with the Top 5 and Top 10 players and there was a few players that everyone was confused why Kentucky and Coach Cal had backed off these players. Some of these Top players were literally begging to come to UK if offered by UK and Coach Cal. I think a lot of fans now see why Coach Cal and UK backed off on some of these Top Players.
What I don't like is the fact that Cal and Miller don't like each other (who knows if that's true )
One would think it's an positive sign that UK is clear. Or this guy is taking a crap load of people down with him. Including people he doesn't like or associate with. Call me crazy
One would think it's an positive sign that UK is clear. Or this guy is taking a crap load of people down with him. Including people he doesn't like or associate with. Call me crazy
Ohio State, St. Johns, Ok State, Texas, Indiana, Michigan State, USC, Florida State, Miami, UCLA, Arizona, Kansas, UNC, Maryland, Minnesota, Villanova, Baylor, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Michigan, Duke, LSU, Uconn, SMU, Iowa State, Kentucky, Oregon, G'town.......Is a list of schools that are supposedly involved.
I kept up with Bam and I knew he was serious about us so it wasn't a shock. I even said on here don't be surprised if he ends up being a cat. He made it known he was wanting to leave the state.
As far as recruiting the one guy I did not know about was Wiltjer. I knew we had inquired about him but his commitment was out of left field. Did not think we was that serious about him. Rumors he committed to us over the Zags and KU and he made it official at some televised court side ball game. It was something like ruckers but on the west coast.
If we are I hope it's just Kanter that is involved and no one else. I'd be tickled pink if UNC or Duke is finally exposed and punished. Duke and unc have already been exposed in the past but nothing was done to them.
I'm saying in some circumstances we could have agents dealing directly with these HS kids parents and handlers just to secure their services once they leave college. And some schools might not know anything about it.
I completely disagree. Yes, you can say that by the sounds of that bold sentence that just because a player didn’t sign with ASM, it doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t still receive money. BUT the key there would be a business decision for Miller. The purpose of funneling the kids money would be to get them to a school that would then push the kid towards miller and his agency to become a future client. If it’s true that calipari and miller hate each other, and I have no reason to believe that is not true, then he would be a fool to pay players to go to a school where he likely would not get at least some of those players as clients later on. He wasn’t giving these kids money out of generosity. My concern would be if other agents are found doing the same thing as Miller and you HAVE to believe that he’s not the only one. There’s no way on earth he’s the only one. So that is my concern and why I won’t be 100% confident that we’re completely in the clear.
Honestly, if we are found to be involved, I don’t even know how much I’ll even care. Of course I won’t like it and would rather be one of the few innocent programs if this is as broad as they say it is, but if everyone else is caught too (meaning duke, Kansas, Arizona, North Carolina and others) then what difference does it make? Nobody wins in the end if that happens so what can you do?
Where did that list come from?
LOL. How would that work exactly? If Cal is not involved, Miller can't just make something up about Cal with no proof.
Don't believe it for a second that Cal is paying recruits. Could some booster be doing it? Maybe.