Devonte Graham returning

AnarchoNeoLuddite_rivals

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FWIW, same could be said for Briscoe. Keeping guys like this is key.
Key to what? Talent over experience all day. Graham is a fine college player just like guys we used to have like him that would stay 4 years, Bradley, Sparks, Crawford, he is in their category. Good but not good enough to lead you to glory.
 
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Wall2Boogie

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He's a good player but he's no frank mason. It will be interesting to see what happens with duval. It seems Kansas and puke are the favorites. Wherever he goes he will want to be the man. Problem with Kansas is they have Newman coming in who is a sg and graham he can play pg but more suited for the sg position not to mention svi and Vick as well. Duval will start wherever he ends upnif he even plays college. If he chooses Kansas someone will have to sit and I don't think Newman will accept that

As for puke and duval, it's an even bigger log jam if Jackson or Allen come back. Once again duval will start but who sits? Trent is a top 5 player that has the build to play the 3, Jackson can play the pg spot but more suited as a sg, and you know the story with allen. He will be a senior and has been their pg. since I don't see him leaving it will be interesting to see what happens if duval chooses puke because he will start. The question will be, who comes off the bench? In all likelihood it will be Trent even though he's an excellent shooter and shoot start with Jackson and have allen come off the bench if duval went there because the NBA ship has sailed for allen he will be a role player and a second round pick at best when he finally leaves puke. I don't see how duval has went from having bad grades to now being offered a scholarship to duke even if he's a OAD. With his me first attitude he's in the perfect mold of a guy like Tatum. Hopefully he chooses to play overseas and it won't even matter in the end
 

gracetoyou

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FWIW, same could be said for Briscoe. Keeping guys like this is key.


Difference is Cal would tell Briscoe that he's never going to get drafted so get to d-league & get to work.

Self will hold out false hopes to Graham that he'll be a lottery pick if he returns. Self cares about Self, Cal cares about his players.
 

BassProCat

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He's a good player but he's no frank mason. It will be interesting to see what happens with duval. It seems Kansas and puke are the favorites. Wherever he goes he will want to be the man. Problem with Kansas is they have Newman coming in who is a sg and graham he can play pg but more suited for the sg position not to mention svi and Vick as well. Duval will start wherever he ends upnif he even plays college. If he chooses Kansas someone will have to sit and I don't think Newman will accept that

As for puke and duval, it's an even bigger log jam if Jackson or Allen come back. Once again duval will start but who sits? Trent is a top 5 player that has the build to play the 3, Jackson can play the pg spot but more suited as a sg, and you know the story with allen. He will be a senior and has been their pg. since I don't see him leaving it will be interesting to see what happens if duval chooses puke because he will start. The question will be, who comes off the bench? In all likelihood it will be Trent even though he's an excellent shooter and shoot start with Jackson and have allen come off the bench if duval went there because the NBA ship has sailed for allen he will be a role player and a second round pick at best when he finally leaves puke. I don't see how duval has went from having bad grades to now being offered a scholarship to duke even if he's a OAD. With his me first attitude he's in the perfect mold of a guy like Tatum. Hopefully he chooses to play overseas and it won't even matter in the end

Damn all very true
He's a good player but he's no frank mason. It will be interesting to see what happens with duval. It seems Kansas and puke are the favorites. Wherever he goes he will want to be the man. Problem with Kansas is they have Newman coming in who is a sg and graham he can play pg but more suited for the sg position not to mention svi and Vick as well. Duval will start wherever he ends upnif he even plays college. If he chooses Kansas someone will have to sit and I don't think Newman will accept that

As for puke and duval, it's an even bigger log jam if Jackson or Allen come back. Once again duval will start but who sits? Trent is a top 5 player that has the build to play the 3, Jackson can play the pg spot but more suited as a sg, and you know the story with allen. He will be a senior and has been their pg. since I don't see him leaving it will be interesting to see what happens if duval chooses puke because he will start. The question will be, who comes off the bench? In all likelihood it will be Trent even though he's an excellent shooter and shoot start with Jackson and have allen come off the bench if duval went there because the NBA ship has sailed for allen he will be a role player and a second round pick at best when he finally leaves puke. I don't see how duval has went from having bad grades to now being offered a scholarship to duke even if he's a OAD. With his me first attitude he's in the perfect mold of a guy like Tatum. Hopefully he chooses to play overseas and it won't even matter in the end

Who else is competing for duval? Isn't seton hall up there or no? Gonna be interesting how his recruitment plays out.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Definitely helps. But Graham was kind of a disappointment this season. After a promising sophomore season, his Junior year wasn't much of an improvement, and in some regards, a step back. But that could very well have to do with Mason running the show.

Kansas will be a threat, but as it stands right now, they will not be as good as this past season. Graham doesn't change that.
 

bucsrule8872

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G Graham
G Newman
G Mykhailiuk or Vick
F Preston
F Azubuike

That's a solid contender.

Not much size inside past Preston and Azubuike, though.

They are preseason top 5 now, with a chance at the top spot depending on who comes back for UofL, UNC, and Duke.
 

Shaudylo

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Well....we had 2 playing this year. So, what's your point?

2012 would've won it without Miller & that's no knock on him.
The point is you responded to the original post like it was a shot at Cal. A solid vet returning never hurts
 
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LineSkiCat14

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I mean christ.. this was YOUR year! Your chance to become half of what Kentucky is!

ANd in perfect Kansas fashion, you choked.. as usual. Ended the same spot as Kentucky, a team that no one picked to make it past UCLA..[roll]
 
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G Graham
G Newman
G Mykhailiuk or Vick
F Preston
F Azubuike

That's a solid contender.

Not much size inside past Preston and Azubuike, though.

They are preseason top 5 now, with a chance at the top spot depending on who comes back for UofL, UNC, and Duke.
That is not a top 5 team.
 
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Titles1

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Key to what? Another Big 12 title? You'd piss all over Self if he were at UK winning SEC titles & flaming out early every year.
Given there are no other means of extinguishing the flames, Self would appreciate your quick thinking.
 

ukfan041

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He wants to extend his winning streak against Kentucky to three straight in three years too.
IF that was to happen, UK would still lead 22-9! Haha...what's that say about your pathetic "tradition"? 3 titles in around 120 years....f'n pathetic!
 
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He wants to extend his winning streak against Kentucky to three straight in three years too.
72-40 Little Brother
 
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CatsnRoses

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Key to what? Another Big 12 title? You'd piss all over Self if he were at UK winning SEC titles & flaming out early every year.

What the hell are you talking about?

Getting contributing veterans back is key for ANY team to succeed. There's nothing remotely controversial or provocative about that statement, how you took it as some form of praise for Self is beyond me. Get a grip.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I thought Newman transferred to Kansas so he could play PG ?

That's a good point. Not sure this was in Newmann's plans. Top10 recruits don't sit out a whole year just to play backup the next. Kansas fans were certain Graham would go pro after this year (and I think even after last season, IIRC). Leads me to believe Newmann figured he had a clear path to run the show for a top program..
 

Nooneputsbabyinacorner

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That's a good point. Not sure this was in Newmann's plans. Top10 recruits don't sit out a whole year just to play backup the next. Kansas fans were certain Graham would go pro after this year (and I think even after last season, IIRC). Leads me to believe Newmann figured he had a clear path to run the show for a top program..

That's not a good point. Newman specifically said he's not expecting to play point:

Newman said Self and his staff sold him on the opportunity to be a playmaker in the backcourt.

"They just said they want me to get back to the player I was," Newman said. "I told the staff that I don't need to play the point. They just want me to handle the ball, make plays and make the team better. That's what they sold me on."
 

65pacecar

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Difference is Cal would tell Briscoe that he's never going to get drafted so get to d-league & get to work.

Self will hold out false hopes to Graham that he'll be a lottery pick if he returns. Self cares about Self, Cal cares about his players.

Graham will leave with a degree too.