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Missouri offered the job to Cuonzo Martin. I'd like to think they could've done better than that.
Probably worth noting that Kentucky has never hired a coach who *did* have a national title on his resume. Bunch of failurers, imo.
If he doesn't win it this year it sounds like Miller may be fired, per grandepdre.
Yea, and it's gone pretty well for us.
So here's the checklist for the next UK coach. We need someone who:
(1) Has won a national title
(2) Has not won a national title
Should be easy enough.
(1) Has won a national title
(2) Has not won a national title
Should be easy enough.
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Can you imagine how much poon Ken Pomeroy and Nate Silver could pull if they went out bar-hopping one night?
Can you imagine how much poon Ken Pomeroy and Nate Silver could pull if they went out bar-hopping one night?
I mean, there are 3 active coaches that have won more than 1 title (all 60+ years old), and 10 with at least 1?
So seems like the odds of a guy winning more than 1 aren't great. Give me a guy desperate to win his first. JMO.
So seems like the odds of a guy winning more than 1 aren't great. Give me a guy desperate to win his first. JMO.
Desperate, but not "wrestling with some pretty serious personal demons" desperate, right?
I say this without the usual GYERO snark but why not wait to see if Tom Crean is available, Missouri?
I don't get the Cuonzo love. He was basically **** at Tennessee except for one lucky run. He's been **** at Cal with some great talent. I mean, he's just ****, is he not?
^ like I said, he's got it figured out. Performs very marginally, then leaves for another guaranteed contract at a pretty equal (potential) school about a year before he's fired.
-Tom Crean would have been a great hire for Mizzou, seriously. Would be good for NC State as well, whether they believe it (they don't) or not.
-Tom Crean would have been a great hire for Mizzou, seriously. Would be good for NC State as well, whether they believe it (they don't) or not.
Mitch would vet that out before extending any type of
If Crean can't win at Indiana with all the time he was given, the homegrown talent in his backyard, and program history...he's not winning **** at Missouri.
Crean has won the Big 10 two of the last 4 years...when it was arguably the best conference in the country (before the ACC expansion really took off)
His resume crushes Martin's.
Crean isn't winning a title anywhere, and neither is Missouri or NC State. But he could make them fun/competitive/dangerous 3 out of 5 years, which is all those types of schools can really hope for.
Indiana is a job for an elite coach (or should be, at least), he certainly isn't that.
His resume crushes Martin's.
Crean isn't winning a title anywhere, and neither is Missouri or NC State. But he could make them fun/competitive/dangerous 3 out of 5 years, which is all those types of schools can really hope for.
Indiana is a job for an elite coach (or should be, at least), he certainly isn't that.
I agree Mizzou should hire Bill Self or Sean Miller.
In light of recent campus strife I'm guessing ol Mizzou was smart to hire an AA this time around.
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Fits in with my increasingly bunker like mentality/lifestyle.
Fits in with my increasingly bunker like mentality/lifestyle.
What's keeping Missouri from hiring someone in the category of a Michael White, Steve Prohm, or Bryce Drew? My guess is a lazy *** AD who doesn't really give a **** about basketball but wants to appear to give a **** so he hires someone people have heard decent things about.
That way, when things go south it wasn't a risky hire and he along with everyone else can blame the "big name coach". If it goes south with an "up and comer" the blame lands at the AD's feet, not the "big name" he hired. So in order to make sure his job is safe regardless of whether the program gets better, he hires a name.
It's a lazy move motivated solely by self-preservation.
That way, when things go south it wasn't a risky hire and he along with everyone else can blame the "big name coach". If it goes south with an "up and comer" the blame lands at the AD's feet, not the "big name" he hired. So in order to make sure his job is safe regardless of whether the program gets better, he hires a name.
It's a lazy move motivated solely by self-preservation.
In light of recent bathroom debates in North Carolina, Crean would be a home-run hire for NC State.
He has started making available his "pre-tournament" standings the last few years, but before that it was not unheard of for the champion to make big moves in the tournament. With each game adding to the sample size, they should have had less and less impact on the overall numbers, but instead they seemingly have more impact as the tournament moves forward. Plus some UK professor proved that he was cooking the books in 2015 to keep Virginia as the top defense and not Kentucky even though that team's defense was historically off the charts good.
I'm not defending Tom Crean necessarily, but I am totally over this "up and coming" nonsense.
Every one of the guy just listed is exactly who Tom Crean was once upon a time. Sometimes a guy that's been around a while, as "boring" as he may seem, is really the solid choice.
EX: given the option, everyone on this board would have taken Sonny Dykes (he's young and up and coming and an emerging hotshot!!!) over David Cutcliffe (failed at Ole Miss, can't excite the fanbase, yada, yada).
Proving you're actually reasonably competent if unspectacular has value, every bit if not more so, than hoping and wishing and praying that a young, unproven guy actually emerges into a superstar.
Every one of the guy just listed is exactly who Tom Crean was once upon a time. Sometimes a guy that's been around a while, as "boring" as he may seem, is really the solid choice.
EX: given the option, everyone on this board would have taken Sonny Dykes (he's young and up and coming and an emerging hotshot!!!) over David Cutcliffe (failed at Ole Miss, can't excite the fanbase, yada, yada).
Proving you're actually reasonably competent if unspectacular has value, every bit if not more so, than hoping and wishing and praying that a young, unproven guy actually emerges into a superstar.
^ rack.
Lon Kruger style, ftw. Especially at a program like Missouri needing some stability.
I'm not saying Crean is the answer, but I'd take a proven solid coach if I'm them. Martin isn't terrible, and that job has always been mentioned for him, as he's from right near.
We'll see how good Prohm does when the NCAA finally finds out about Monte Morris still playing, and Burton/Long are gone. Hoiberg left him stacked (this year's team + Niang a season ago).
Bryce Drew also doesn't have his own players. Neither does White, really -- although I REALLY like both of them (especially White). All 3 of the guys you mentioned have teams FULL of good upperclassmen.
Lon Kruger style, ftw. Especially at a program like Missouri needing some stability.
I'm not saying Crean is the answer, but I'd take a proven solid coach if I'm them. Martin isn't terrible, and that job has always been mentioned for him, as he's from right near.
We'll see how good Prohm does when the NCAA finally finds out about Monte Morris still playing, and Burton/Long are gone. Hoiberg left him stacked (this year's team + Niang a season ago).
Bryce Drew also doesn't have his own players. Neither does White, really -- although I REALLY like both of them (especially White). All 3 of the guys you mentioned have teams FULL of good upperclassmen.
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Yes. Exactly. Kim Anderson was about as "safe" as it got in that situation. Just won a DII title, Missouri native, beloved former player. Missouri needed the appearance of stability coming off the Frank Haith situation, and he provided the illusion of it. A local hero coming home to fix Missouri.
Who could blame the A.D. in that situation? There was no risk there.
And Kim Anderson's old *** was FAR from an up and comer. Guy was pushing 60 and had been at Central Missouri for 12 years
You own a law firm, ever thought about starting a search firm wing? You seem to have it all figured out.
*[laughing] at comparing Crean or Cuanzo to Lon Kruger.
*PTI gives the Cutcliffe example, but his competition was Stoops or Mike MacIntyre. Cutcliffe, btw, is 48-53 at Duke. MacIntyre has taken Colorado from a pile of hot steaming **** to top 15 in 4 years.
*PTI gives the Cutcliffe example, but his competition was Stoops or Mike MacIntyre. Cutcliffe, btw, is 48-53 at Duke. MacIntyre has taken Colorado from a pile of hot steaming **** to top 15 in 4 years.
So then why the hell is everyone so hard up on his numbers if he's FOS like your post implies?
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Jim Larranaga is my guy -- what a great coach.
Seems like a lifer type of situation down there for him at this point, though. They can never do better. Same with Brey.
Surprised Mack's name doesn't get tossed around more with Gregg, Archie, and the boys in that top tier 'next' group. Terribly disappointing year, but injuries played a huge role in that. ABH's guy swears he's in position for IU.
Seems like a lifer type of situation down there for him at this point, though. They can never do better. Same with Brey.
Surprised Mack's name doesn't get tossed around more with Gregg, Archie, and the boys in that top tier 'next' group. Terribly disappointing year, but injuries played a huge role in that. ABH's guy swears he's in position for IU.
His metrics still have value. They just have to be taken in the proper context and not relied upon as the secret formula to the universe. I like his page because you can see raw data like shooting percentages, rebounding percentages, points per possession, and **** like that. I pay more attention to that stuff than the actual rankings.
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