Novice here on BB rules. Why weren't the two technical on the ARK players Flagrant 1s, as opposed to the called Flagrant 2s. Clearly on replay, it showed the ARK players deliberate actions.
Just wondein'.
Just wondein'.
The Two Technicals
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The 2nd was a flagrant 2. Kingsley was ejected.
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1st one should have been a Flag. 2 also.
It was clear what his intent was too.
I thought the first one was more flagrant than the 2nd one.
Yes it should have been. I immediately commented if it wasn't there was going to be a bigger problem. Darn lucky nobody was hurt. Game was over when the first foul was called and the refs have to keep control and protect players.
Dickie V said Kingsley wouldn't have to sit the first game of the tournament. I guess I don't know the rules because I thought after a flagrant 2 a player had to sit out the next game. Can anyone enlighten me here.
They just said he won't on KSR post game. For some reason, the ncaat clears the slate.
It's hard to be sure, but the first one looked like the guy loaded up to forearm Dom.
He even sorta locked his arms and raised them to high chest area. He also extended the forearms, with a push. When setting a screen one usually guards your own privates, with both hands cupping the jewels, not locking arms at chest height.
That looks premeditated and deliberate, and should be a dismissal from the game, and probably the loss of the next games eligibility.
He even sorta locked his arms and raised them to high chest area. He also extended the forearms, with a push. When setting a screen one usually guards your own privates, with both hands cupping the jewels, not locking arms at chest height.
That looks premeditated and deliberate, and should be a dismissal from the game, and probably the loss of the next games eligibility.
I think the second one was cumalitive to a degree. First one was definitely a F2
I think the 2nd one was called Flagrant 2 bc of the actions just before. If you don't have that action, to me they wouldn't of called a Flagrant 2. At that point it was pretty obvious what Arkansas wanted to do. As much crap as I've given the officials this year, I commend them for getting a handle on that quickly.
However, I thought the first could of been called a 2 just bc of forearm shot he gave.
However, I thought the first could of been called a 2 just bc of forearm shot he gave.
The look on his face told me he was trying to hurt Hawk.
Maybe they should eject the coach after his team receives a second flagrant foul in a game. I would hate to see a player possibly suffer a career ending injury and see a team lose out on a Championship opportunity due to an opposing coach allowing this behavior.
Should have both been flagrant 2. Another dirty pick on Dom was ignored in the first half.
They played the same dirty chicken s--t way at Rupp. What a bunch of no class clowns, headed up by their no class a--hole of a coach.
If the refs call the first one correctly, the second probably doesn't happen. Let''s hold off just a bit on the praise for the officials.
So they can possibly knock a player out of the tournament with a dirty play, knowing they won't have to sit for it? Smh
The college rules are watered down way too much. Too much room for the refs to do what they want. I f they went by the old rules Hannah's and Kingsley would have been thrown out and Barford gets a T and maybe two and then he gets tossed. THeir coach is an *** and a horrible example to these players.
I hate these rules and I am just glad nothing like is existed when I was doing games full time.
I hate these rules and I am just glad nothing like is existed when I was doing games full time.
Open season at end of games if there is not a suspension for the next game. Coach should be fined a substantial amount.
They weren't technicals, but flagrant fouls. Those are 2 completely different types of fouls. Such as like a player control foul, common foul, team control foul, intentional, technical, and flagrant. Technical fouls are usually like unsportsmanlike fouls in football in that they are not contact fouls but rather verbal or gesturing type incidents. Intentional is obviously something done with intent and flagrant usually deals with "non basketball" type plays like we saw today. Flagrant fouls are divided into 2 categories with Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 based on severity and where the contact occurred.
Once an official calls a foul, it can always be upgraded to a more severe foul but can never be downgraded. So, that's why you see them simply call a common foul and then get together and talk about it.
I thought the officials did a great job today with those situations. They did everything in their power to control the game and it worked. The got both calls right and ejected the kid for the 2nd incident. Officials don't usually get any props around here and for good reason, they haven't really been good the past few years , but today they did a great job handling the situation.
I thought the kid was sent to the showers because that was his second technical of the game (the first in the first half (?)). Am I dreaming?
Thanks for all of your responses.
Thanks for all of your responses.
No doubt about it. Picture book perfect flagrant 2. Players arms locked over chest high and after he knocked Dom down he followed thru with hard Push to floor. No need anywhere for such violent foul. If ref's had made the right call here the next one might not have happened. No class at all from the opposing players , bench or coach!
Mike Anderson. Notice how he chastized the refs more than his classless players? The type to enjoy seeing what they did.
When the ref walked over after the F1, Anderson acted like he was not interested in hearing what the ref had to say. Anderson showed us his rear end today and it wasn't nice.
I can understand Anderson disputing the first foul. All Dusty had to do was stand his ground or flip and he gets the foul called on Dom. Thought he'd stick it to Dom instead. Can't believe Anderson argued about the second where Fox got attacked. Lucky the refs got it right and fight didn't break out. Arkansas just acted like thugs and cry babies today.
suspension is only if you re ejected for fighting. Throwing a punch for example. So if Fox had gotten up a decked kingsley he would not have been able to play the next game
My thoughts:
Yes, both should have been F2, by the definition. Obviously both were intended to harm. But I believe the coach is to blame.
I really believe when Anderson didn't get the five second call, he pretty much told his guys to do a hatchet job. With that call not going his way, he was out on the court arguing (and should have gotten a T). In the timeouts, including the one right after not getting that call, he was clearly agitated and not coaching his team. He was out of control, and frequently on the court the rest of the game. He lost it (if he ever had it). If you taped the game, watch those last couple of minutes and see what you think.
I normally root for the SEC in the NCAAT, but I won't be rooting for the Hogs.
(I won't be rooting for Vandy either, but not out of malice. I have to cheer for Northwestern where I got my doctorate. Would love to see them win a game or two in their first ever NCAA.)
Yes, both should have been F2, by the definition. Obviously both were intended to harm. But I believe the coach is to blame.
I really believe when Anderson didn't get the five second call, he pretty much told his guys to do a hatchet job. With that call not going his way, he was out on the court arguing (and should have gotten a T). In the timeouts, including the one right after not getting that call, he was clearly agitated and not coaching his team. He was out of control, and frequently on the court the rest of the game. He lost it (if he ever had it). If you taped the game, watch those last couple of minutes and see what you think.
I normally root for the SEC in the NCAAT, but I won't be rooting for the Hogs.
(I won't be rooting for Vandy either, but not out of malice. I have to cheer for Northwestern where I got my doctorate. Would love to see them win a game or two in their first ever NCAA.)
I think you are correct on this. Anderson was out of control following that 5 sec call. I really think he expected to walk all over the Cats after the Vandy game. When his last hopes faded, he started to act out more and more. The first flagrant was worthy of an NFL play of the game in its intensity alone. Anderson defended it. The second was committed with an intention to injure as the player was clearly not after the ball. Anderson defended it. This has become a pattern with him. I think the conference should admonish Anderson publicly. I think Arkansas should strongly consider whether Anderson represents their values any longer. He is embarrassing the conference, that university and college basketball.
The two players are a reflection of their coach.
Yep. Mike Anderson is just a Nolan Richardson wannabe. And that isn't someone you should want to be.
They're both like Bobby Knight. Angry beyond reason.
Two things I'd love to know...
1. What did Cal whisper to Fox when he came off and they both started laughing?
2. What were the two Arky players whispering about as the one had his jersey up over his mouth so his lips couldnt be read while Fox was shooting his FT?
1. What did Cal whisper to Fox when he came off and they both started laughing?
2. What were the two Arky players whispering about as the one had his jersey up over his mouth so his lips couldnt be read while Fox was shooting his FT?