We still don't have it

[BlueWorldOrder74]

You probably never competed for a championship in anything in your life. It's not about a "prayer" I say we don't have "it". Which to me is a complete team that is consistent and can take anyone. i mean well between you and SD you don't just not have IT you have nothing you need a prayer

Well, you're wrong on all accounts. I was a national champion horse shoe thrower in middle school. And as far as this team goes, its all relative to the competition they're playing against. From what I see out there on a daily basis, they do have it.

 

[shutzhund]

Good point. Too bad your fellow posters can't get past the insult stage to make any point.

I think my fellow posters are just speaking bluntly. When they see trash they don't call it gold. You are what you are and should have gotten used to it by now.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

You probably never competed for a championship in anything in your life. It's not about a "prayer" I say we don't have "it". Which to me is a complete team that is consistent and can take anyone. i mean well between you and SD you don't just not have IT you have nothing you need a prayer

 

[Goingfor9]

I think my fellow posters are just speaking bluntly. When they see trash they don't call it gold. You are what you are and should have gotten used to it by now.

They aren't just fellow posters they are fellow fans and I don't know one person who feels like this team has the dynamic we had in 2012 or 1996. This team is still lacking.

Btw there is a difference between blunt and disrespect. Idiot, retard, whatever it's pretty pathetic that UK fans eat their own like this. you don't know me none of you do so I can brush it off. I'm just sick to know though that we have fans who attack a guy on their side opinions aside.

There is very little good discussion here bc of personal attacks. And for someone to dig up something from 3 weeks ago to ridicule it based on nothing well the folks like screwduke need to reflect on he harm they do to our fanbase.

 

[Goingfor9]

Btw until I see our defense win us games then well we won't have it and if you think we can run the table in march with limited defense you're fooling yourself

 

[Aike]

Just because we don't have a clearly dominant team like we had in 96 and 12, doesn't mean we don't have one of the better teams in the country, and a team capable of winning it all.

There isn't a team in the country who would be favored to beat us on a neutral court right now. You can't ask for much better than that.

Unless you are a buffoon.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

They aren't just fellow posters they are fellow fans and I don't know one person who feels like this team has the dynamic we had in 2012 or 1996. This team is still lacking.

Btw there is a difference between blunt and disrespect. Idiot, retard, whatever it's pretty pathetic that UK fans eat their own like this. you don't know me none of you do so I can brush it off. I'm just sick to know though that we have fans who attack a guy on their side opinions aside.

There is very little good discussion here bc of personal attacks. And for someone to dig up something from 3 weeks ago to ridicule it based on nothing well the folks like screwduke need to reflect on he harm they do to our fanbase.

I didn't bash you as a fan or person; I just disagreed with your opinion. The post you just typed was fine. I don't think your a retard, I just think you're usually negative and seem to only look for the negative. I think that's why others begin to call you out and start calling you names. They feel you have a schtick.

But, question for real, who out there does have it? Who's got the total package? I really think that there isn't a team out there who we can't compete against and beat more times than not. I feel good, especially considering it's beginning of January and we play a lot of frosh.

 

[KY Long Rifle_rivals381398]

Not many teams in history were on a level with 96 or 12. We have one of the best teams in the NCAA this year, and the only teams we have to compete with are the teams this year. That gives us a chance and that is all it takes. Someone has to win 6 straight.

 

[Conn501]

The problem here is the op believes a team has to be flawless to be the best in the country and win a national title. This team definitely has flaws, but that doesn't mean "they don't have it". The 96 and 2012 teams are the exception, not the rule. While this team is weak on the defensive side, for now, I see strengths no one else has. We have 3 guys in monk, bam, and Fox who can absolutely take over a game and are the best in the country at their respective positions. The team chemistry is outstanding, which is a pretty rare thing.

At the end of the day, this team can certainly lose at any point in the tourney, just like any other top team. Would I take any other team over uk? Not a chance in the world.

 

[K-Town Kat]

Not many teams in history were on a level with 96 or 12. We have one of the best teams in the NCAA this year, and the only teams we have to compete with are the teams this year. That gives us a chance and that is all it takes. Someone has to win 6 straight.

Great post.

Few teams in the history of the college game compare to the 1996 and 2012 Kentucky teams.

If that's the bar that one constantly sets for comparison, then all college teams would rarely "have it", including the 1998 Kentucky team.

 

[Goingfor9]

Like i said I have to see our defense win us some games before I will believe. Sorry if that's pessimistic in you view but I look at everything through the lens of a coach and for a team that was billed in the preseason as cals best well we are not that team.

 

[K-Town Kat]

I, for one, only ask that our coach put together rosters that give us a chance in March.

We probably won't win it all, as having won it only 8 times in 113 years as a program places the odds very much not in our favor, but I will still enjoy the heck out of winning 30+ games, winning the SEC, destroying most teams we play, and at least having a team capable of beating anyone on a given night in March.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Like i said I have to see our defense win us some games before I will believe. Sorry if that's pessimistic in you view but I look at everything through the lens of a coach and for a team that was billed in the preseason as cals best well we are not that team.

So you want us to play stall ball and win a couple games 60 to 50 and then you will be impressed? God you are awful.

 

[K-Town Kat]

Like i said I have to see our defense win us some games before I will believe. Sorry if that's pessimistic in you view but I look at everything through the lens of a coach and for a team that was billed in the preseason as cals best well we are not that team.

Ask anyone who knows anything about the college game and they will tell you the title favorites right now are Villanova and Duke.

Kentucky is ranked 7th according to Ken Pomeroy adjusted defense.

Duke ranks 22nd.

Villanova ranks 30th.

Kentucky's defense is improving and has a Ken Pom ranking that very much puts them in the discussion of a team capable of winning it.

 

[Goingfor9]

I, for one, only ask that our coach put together rosters that give us a chance in March.

We probably won't win it all, as having won it only 8 times in 113 years as a program places the odds very much not in our favor, but I will still enjoy the heck out of winning 30+ games, winning the SEC, destroying most teams we play, and at least having a team capable of beating anyone on a given night in March.

It's not like we are throwing dice here. This win one every 10 yrs argument or we have only won 8 in 113 years is a terrible argument. How many of those teams had the number one class? How many of those teams had #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class? This isn't the late 80s or any other era. It's not even comparable. UK has dominated the regular season since cal got here. When we have class after class on par with the fab 5 I mean come on with this once every ten year argument.

 

[Goingfor9]

So you want us to play stall ball and win a couple games 60 to 50 and then you will be impressed? God you are awful.

المسيح يحبك

 

[Conn501]

I've actually been pretty happy with their defense the last few games. Effort is way up and as cal likes to say, they are playing far more disciplined. A team that scores in the mid 90s will never hold teams in the 50s and 40s like the op is probably looking for.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

It's not like we are throwing dice here. This win one every 10 yrs argument or we have only won 8 in 113 years is a terrible argument. How many of those teams had the number one class? How many of those teams had #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class? This isn't the late 80s or any other era. It's not even comparable. UK has dominated the regular season since cal got here. When we have class after class on par with the fab 5 I mean come on with this once every ten year argument.

If Coach Cal got his guys 3 years like Saban does or 4 years like Geno in women's b-ball your #1 after #1 class rant would make sense. It means jack given the restrictions Cal is under due to the one and done though.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

It's not like we are throwing dice here. This win one every 10 yrs argument or we have only won 8 in 113 years is a terrible argument. How many of those teams had the number one class? How many of those teams had #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class? This isn't the late 80s or any other era. It's not even comparable. UK has dominated the regular season since cal got here. When we have class after class on par with the fab 5 I mean come on with this once every ten year argument.

This is why others call you names and dislike your way of thinking. Your expectations are unreasonable and you obviously think Cal is terrible.

 

[Goingfor9]

I've actually been pretty happy with their defense the last few games. Effort is way up and as cal likes to say, they are playing far more disciplined. A team that scores in the mid 90s will never hold teams in the 50s and 40s like the op is probably looking for.

I thought last night was a nice step bc our offense was off. And no I don't think we need to win games in the 40s -and 50s. The last legit opponent we played was UL and that is the type of game we have to win with defense when our offense isn't getting it done. Until I see that close game and our boys make crucial stops it's gonna be tough to say we have it. I mean the only other game was UNC and we almost gave that away with lack of defense. UL we didn't get the stops we needed when we needed them and I knew as soon as conference play came and we played this lackluster competition well I knew it would build a sense of greatness all the sudden. We see when we play KU that will be our next real test. Can we win a close game in which we need to make 3 or 4 stops down the stretch? Or can we defensively dominate to the point where a bad offensive game is negated?

 

[Goingfor9]

This is why others call you names and dislike your way of thinking. Your expectations are unreasonable and you obviously think Cal is terrible.

Let's see 8 years of top rated classes makes it unreasonable to have high expectations?? And there you go again with false garbage that I think cal is "terrible". I don't know how long you been around but I was a strong advocate for cal to replace tubby when half our fanbase said hell no. You make a lot of assumptions that are completely inaccurate

 

[KYFOSSIL]

If you are not Cut Nets you must be his long lost twin. You stay perpetually negative and completely ignore the value of experience along with talent necessary to consistently win it all. By the way who in your universe consistently wins it all. A one loss and your out format over 6 games is an incredibly difficult challenge. If you want to watch a true dynasty then follow the U.K. Cheerleaders or UCONN woman's basketball.

 

[K-Town Kat]

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Commentators often state that Kentucky's fanbase is nuts and has a "win it all or you're a failure" attitude.

That's certainly not the case for 98% of the fanbase. There is the crazy 2%, however, that Joe B Hall and Tubby warned Cal about when he was first offered the job. You are in that 2%.

But back to the original discussion, Kentucky's defense, statistically, is good enough to be in the title discussion.

The 2012 team ranked 8th in adjusted defense.

This year's team ranks 7th, which is better than UCONN in 2014 (10th) and Duke in 2015 (12th).

Cal's worse defensive teams since he's been here were 2013 (90th) and 2016 (39th).

Which is why a NIT and a 2nd round loss resulted, Cal's worst postseason finishes at UK.

When the 2014 team lost to UCONN in the championship game, many thought the better team lost. Statistically, however, it should not have been a surprise, given UCONN had the 10th ranked adj defense and UK had the 32nd ranked defense.

Stats matter.

Only 1 out of the last 10 national champions ranked lower than 12th in adjusted defense, and that was 2009 North Carolina (22nd).

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

I'm lost.
The defense has been very good recently lol

 

[Aike]

OP will have three possible conclusions to his posting season.

1. With an 80%+ probability that we don't win it all, he will end the year in full blown I told you so mode. Because, you know, when you lose that last game you typically fail to get a stop or two.


2. We do win it all and he is still in I told you so mode. Because, you know, you typically will get a couple of big stops win you win a Title.

3. We win it all and he disappears until next year, when he will return to complain about our outside shooting.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

I want to know where to trade tit for tat .

 

[irishcat1965]

The OP knows nothing about basketball and continues to show it post after post.

 

[Goingfor9]

If you are not Cut Nets you must be his long lost twin. You stay perpetually negative and completely ignore the value of experience along with talent necessary to consistently win it all. By the way who in your universe consistently wins it all. A one loss and your out format over 6 games is an incredibly difficult challenge. If you want to watch a true dynasty then follow the U.K. Cheerleaders or UCONN woman's basketball.

Ok then tell me the formula for a program that sends players after 1 year? I mean someone can say we need to retain players and there will still be folks degrading that person. Someone will say we have deficiencies then another says it's bc players don't stick around. By your logic we should have low expectations bc we don't have that mix of talent and experience?

 

[Jakarii]

Well I don't agree with most of what the OP said I do agree with what he said about after Kentucky beat a bad conference team some posters start to think that they are unbeatable and some have started the talk about them being as good as some of the Best teams Cal has had right now, which shouldn't be said until the outcome of the KU game.

It's like it's taboo to say that the team is getting better and taking steps in the right direction but instead going all the way to the other end of the spectrum and saying they are already as good as some of the path to leave Kentucky teams.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

The OP still doesn't have it.

 

[Goingfor9]

OP will have three possible conclusions to his posting season.

1. With an 80%+ probability that we don't win it all, he will end the year in full blown I told you so mode. Because, you know, when you lose that last game you typically fail to get a stop or two.


2. We do win it all and he is still in I told you so mode. Because, you know, you typically will get a couple of big stops win you win a Title.

3. We win it all and he disappears until next year, when he will return to complain about our outside shooting.

Number one I didn't revitalize this thread someone else did and I'm going to defend myself to the death. Second I stand by my arguments I have never been the guy told you so guy or any of those things you laid out. I don't need message forum participants to validate my concerns.

 

[Goingfor9]

The OP still doesn't have it.

You have no potential you will never have it or get it. Done with you

 

[caneintally]

Ask anyone who knows anything about the college game and they will tell you the title favorites right now are Villanova and Duke.

Kentucky is ranked 7th according to Ken Pomeroy adjusted defense.

Duke ranks 22nd.

Villanova ranks 30th.

Kentucky's defense is improving and has a Ken Pom ranking that very much puts them in the discussion of a team capable of winning it.

No one in their right mind would even mention Duke at this point . BUt you point is spot on. Our D is damn good but people just look at the 2-3 games they played bad .

 

[caneintally]

The OP knows nothing about basketball and continues to show it post after post.

Yep . You know this . I know this , we all know this.

 

[Goingfor9]

The OP knows nothing about basketball and continues to show it post after post.

Ok done with you too

Get a life buddy

 

[irishcat1965]

Number one I didn't revitalize this thread someone else did and I'm going to defend myself to the death. Second I stand by my arguments I have never been the guy told you so guy or any of those things you laid out. I don't need message forum participants to validate my concerns.

Lol. That's the reason you keep posting.

 

[kyjeff1]

They aren't just fellow posters they are fellow fans and I don't know one person who feels like this team has the dynamic we had in 2012 or 1996. This team is still lacking.

Btw there is a difference between blunt and disrespect. Idiot, retard, whatever it's pretty pathetic that UK fans eat their own like this. you don't know me none of you do so I can brush it off. I'm just sick to know though that we have fans who attack a guy on their side opinions aside.

There is very little good discussion here bc of personal attacks. And for someone to dig up something from 3 weeks ago to ridicule it based on nothing well the folks like screwduke need to reflect on he harm they do to our fanbase.

Going for 9, you causing trouble again? Of course you are.
Hey, you may not recall the 2011/12 season all that well, but I certainly remember many threads on this board, literally exactly like this one, where someone, just like you, said we didn't have it.
96 was different, we were the best team in the nation and it wasn't even debatable. But we also didn't have a site like this back then either, if we did, you better believe the fine folks of Rupps Rafters would not have let us down. There would have been plenty of negative Nancy's like the dude that started this thread.

 

[irishcat1965]

Ok done with you too

Get a life buddy

Done with me? [laughing] [cheers]

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Number one I didn't revitalize this thread someone else did and I'm going to defend myself to the death. Second I stand by my arguments I have never been the guy told you so guy or any of those things you laid out. I don't need message forum participants to validate my concerns.

You will defend yourself after death. You will argue with the devil in hell.

 

[K-Town Kat]

No one in their right mind would even mention Duke at this point . BUt you point is spot on. Our D is damn good but people just look at the 2-3 games they played bad .

Duke has certainly not tore it up as of late, but on paper, with their roster, and their coach (if he's back), they will be in the discussion in March.

UCLA's defense ranks 75th in the Ken Pom, so they are pretenders IMO. No team has won it ranked near that low dating back to 2002.