Jarred Vanderbilt to UK !!!

502 Wildcat

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Next year's team is shaping up very nicely. We will have a few key returnees from this team as well. Gabriel (huge potential), Killeya-Jones (huge potential), Humphries, possibly Briscoe, Wynyard.
 
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kyups01

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Some of you are amazing. Cal just landed a fantastic prospect, giving us the current best class, again... and your very first reaction is finding some negatives in it. What a spoiled bunch we are. When Cal is gone, you folks will be the ones calling for a new coach every year.

SKJ, Winyard, Gabiel, Humphries, PJ washington, Vanderbilt, Richards (all bigs), with 2 pg's coming in with only one being known to be a 3 point threat. I thought Shai was supposed to be good but upon firther reading it isnt a strong suit. We have no proven shooters that will be returning. How is it hard to understand why some would be scratching their heads right now?
 

SemperFiCat

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Nah, i just like being able to hit outside shots.

I'll wait while you compile a list of coaches that have been more successful than Cal since coming to UK...

We hear what you are saying, but you make it sound like Cal has no idea what he's doing. I mean take a step back and listen to yourself... you're literally challenging the way John Calipari recruits.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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All these posters who are making fun of the "we need shooters" crowd who always bring up Cal's Final 4 appearances as a reason to worship him....do you realize how many final 4's he would have won had he actually had 3 point shooters? The only team that had 3 point shooters was the freshman combo of knight and lamb. Laugh all u want and throw them final 4 appearances out there...but had he had 3 ball shooters (meaning more than one at a time) he would have at the very minimum 3 championships here!

So Briscoe and Fox's outside shooting is driving you crazy huh?
 
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bigc45157

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Some of you are amazing. Cal just landed a fantastic prospect, giving us the current best class, again... and your very first reaction is finding some negatives in it. What a spoiled bunch we are. When Cal is gone, you folks will be the ones calling for a new coach every year.

It's a disgusting segment of our fan base. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but the loathing and griping over the idiosyncrasies of Cal's approach is becoming hard the bare.

We just got a multi-talented 3, which people have been clamoring for; can we not be excited for at least a day?
 

jwheat

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LOL , of course I'm not rated to him , but Vanderbilt is a worse version of two players we already have for next year. At this point our best offensive play will be an offensive rebound. Teams will be able to play 5 guys in the paint , pretty hard to drive on that defense. If we sign Young everything changes . If we sign Diallio it gets worse . We got the no.1 class in the country but the pieces don't fit .

Vanderbilt is a 3 that can play the 4. Washington is a 4 that can maybe occasionally play the 3.

Richards is a true 5.

Your ignorance is showing.
I guess next season we are going to play 4 bigs/forwards (with 4 more backing them up) and a PG.

Yeah it's sucks that we aren't allowed to pick up any more recruits. What will we ever do??!!!1!
 
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Raptureme

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Shooters are nice but basketball players are the key to winning.
Making baskets is the point of the game....dunks and layups are a small percentage of a game...therefore being able to shoot from outside gives you a more dominant edge

And I agree on the 'basketball players' part....you can't have a roster full of Olympic track and field guys who can't handle or shoot a lick
 
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Cychologist

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With the numbers we will be losing, we need to sign 2-3 more. Not to be selfish, I'll take Young, Knox and Bamba.

That would give us a deep team!
 

bucsrule8872

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May 30, 2005
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We need Young and Bamba to finish the class.

G Green/Alexander
G Young/Calipari
F Washington/Vanderbilt
F Bamba/Killeya-Jones
F Richards/Humphries/Wynyard

Maybe add another guard. A 3 or 4 star or grad transfer.

We need a shooter or two in a bad way. Young is a must get, IMHO, especially if Vanderbilt means no Knox.
 

UK90

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Booker Harrison and Willis couldnt shoot??

Booker, I'll give you. But the Harrisons were only 35 percent outside shooters, and Willis is currently only shooting 34 percent and averages only 1 made three per game. I don't think that's the caliber shooter folks are talking about in this thread.

I think there is some legitimacy to the gripe about Cal not recruiting enough shooters. He's only had about three or four recruits (Lamb, Booker, Murray and maybe Wiltjer) that I would categorize as elite outside shooters. Part of the problem is the prospects who are the purest shooters so often just don't fit Cal's system defensively and athletically--and as we saw with Wiltjer, trying to jam that square peg into a round hole doesn't work so well.
 
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irishcat1965

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Booker, I'll give you. But the Harrisons were only 35 percent outside shooters, and Willis is currently only shooting 34 percent and averages only 1 made three per game. I don't think that's quite the caliber of shooter folks are talking about in this thread.

There is some legitimacy to the gripe about Cal not recruiting enough shooters. In his entire time here, he's only had about three or four recruits (Lamb, Booker, Murray and maybe Wiltjer) that I would categorize as elite outside shooters. Part of the problem is the prospects who are the purest shooters so often just don't fit Cal's system defensively and athletically--and as we saw with Wiltjer, trying to jam that square peg into a round hole doesn't work so well.
Interesting take since the two Harrison years UK went to the final four twice and the final game once. How many final fours has Gonzaga been to? How about ZERO.
 
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UK90

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Interesting take since the two Harrison years UK went to the final four twice and the final game once. How many final fours has Gonzaga been to? How about ZERO.

So? I wasn't trying to defend Gonzaga, and did not suggest their way was in any way better than ours (it is not). In fact, I never even mentioned them. Not sure why you're getting your panties all in a bunch.
 

KyCatFan1

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A guy named Vanderbilt who isn't a shooter.

 

irishcat1965

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So? I wasn't trying to defend Gonzaga, and did not suggest their way was in any way better than ours (it is not). In fact, I never even mentioned them. Not sure why you're getting your panties all in a bunch.
You mentioned Wiltjer. And Gonzaga is an example of a team of shooters. They don't anything in March. And I don't wear panties.
 

UK90

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You mentioned Wiltjer. And Gonzaga is an example of a team of shooters. They don't anything in March. And I don't wear panties.

Again. So what? Merely pointing out that Wiltjer wasn't a good fit here doesn't mean I think somebody else's system is better (and I don't). Your post was utterly irrelevant to my actual point.
 
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emmcat

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LOL , of course I'm not rated to him , but Vanderbilt is a worse version of two players we already have for next year. At this point our best offensive play will be an offensive rebound. Teams will be able to play 5 guys in the paint , pretty hard to drive on that defense. If we sign Young everything changes . If we sign Diallio it gets worse . We got the no.1 class in the country but the pieces don't fit .
I am a charter member of the "we need shooters" school BUT
I have seen lots of mix tapes showing dunks and threes that always go in. When I saw Vanderbilt's mix tape , I saw an amazingly quick big man who can really handle the ball and pass. I must say I wish he were a better shot BUT kids with his size , motor and ball skills are really hard to find.
 
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Soupbean

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You're right, you don't get it. Recruiting ain't over yet for one thing, and for another, is it not possible for players to improve. Sheesh. UK has gotten the #1 class and folks ain't happy. Ever wonder why this job at UK ages coaches so much. This is part of it.
Don't disagree but still . . . get some damn shooters Cal

And this has nothing to do with Jarred. Welcome to him big time. He will be a great addition no doubt.
 
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Woodrow24

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In a thread that people should be happy about getting a 5 star player, we have posters complaining and it's sad. Reminds me of kids being unhappy with their Christmas presents. Be happy with with what you have. We all need to appreciate that we have a coach that can get us top rated classes every year. This kid wanted to be a wildcat and I'm glad he's coming here. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas!
 

Fresh Start

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finish the class up with Bamba and a couple guards that can shoot and UK will be right there again next season. One thing is for sure... every single guy UK has committed/signed right now all have defense listed as a strength.

Bamba is the best rim protector in high school. Richards is another one of the best. Vanderbilt was known as a good defender, Alexander the same, Green led the EYBL in steals, Washington was known for his defense. All of Vanderbilt, Richards, Bamba, and Washington averaged double figure rebounds in EYBL this past summer.

May see a lot of 75-55 games next season.

@JasonSpear give me a comparison for Bamba. Is he Noel like?
 

Fresh Start

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All these posters who are making fun of the "we need shooters" crowd who always bring up Cal's Final 4 appearances as a reason to worship him....do you realize how many final 4's he would have won had he actually had 3 point shooters? The only team that had 3 point shooters was the freshman combo of knight and lamb. Laugh all u want and throw them final 4 appearances out there...but had he had 3 ball shooters (meaning more than one at a time) he would have at the very minimum 3 championships here!

Lost with Lamb and Knigh
Lost with Harrison and Booker
 

Fresh Start

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that's been thrown around. Maybe not quite the prolific shot blocker of someone like Noel, but who is? Noel and Davis are the two best shot blockers in UK history and Noel was on pace to break Davis' blocks in a season number when he went down (though that team wouldn't have ever played the 40 games needed).

He's tall, lanky, runs the floor, grabs rebounds outside his space, has a decent touch out to 15 feet or so but he'll be a guy UK uses to drop step and baby hook, offensive put back his way to double digit scoring. Dude's 6'11" with a 7'8" wing span and like a 9'5" reach... that's better than anyone currently in the NBA.

That wing span is incredible. If I hear you correctly he's better offensively than Nerlons but not quite the shot blocker.
 

Ron Mehico

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All these posters who are making fun of the "we need shooters" crowd who always bring up Cal's Final 4 appearances as a reason to worship him....do you realize how many final 4's he would have won had he actually had 3 point shooters? The only team that had 3 point shooters was the freshman combo of knight and lamb. Laugh all u want and throw them final 4 appearances out there...but had he had 3 ball shooters (meaning more than one at a time) he would have at the very minimum 3 championships here!


We didn't win in 2012 because Lamb was a great shooter. He was one of the reasons, just as much as MKG, Jones, and Davis, none of which were shooters.
 

UKcatXXXL

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I'm not saying to have some legit shooters isn't a good thing. In the tourney though, which is when it counts, the games are played in the half-court. In order to win 6, you have to be able to score inside. There have been MANY teams who shot great from 3 and got their stuff pushed in during the tournament cuz they couldn't get it done down low. If we have a strong inside game next year I'd certainly be on board with that. I hope we add Bamba, and Young. We'd have a very complete team.