Wade Going to Bulls
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Mirotic, Butler, Gibson, Dunleavy, and McDermott can all hit long twos and threes. I'm not saying they'll be the Warriors or are even geared towards playing small and outside. However, I can see a Rondo/Wade back court wrecking opponents defensively.
I was wondering the appeal of Rondo to the Bulls was. They were too bad to compete and too good to tank. Wade is on the back 9 of his career for sure but he's still good enough to be the peice that puts them in the playoffs.
Both are terrible on D (Wade #68 at SG in defensive RPM, Rondo #30 at PG), and offer very very little spacing. On the plus side, they do most other things well, and they have the talent on D (just not the consistent effort). Just not those 2 things (shooting and D), which are 2 of the 3 most important things to have in backcourt players. As a Bulls fan, I'm not thrilled with the last few days. If it means they trade Butler (who is on a great contract) for less than his value, then it's time to fire Forman.
Don't really understand what they're doing. It's like they're trying to be stuck in mediocrity.
you know who else is bad for spacing? okafor
okafor plus lakers pick plus saric plus covington for butler who says no
okafor plus lakers pick plus saric plus covington for butler who says no
Hmm... Lakers will probably convey that pick (top 3 protected), likely in the, what 5-10 range? Okafor is either a situational starter (unplayable some matchups) or good big man reserve (and couldn't fetch the 3rd pick in a weak 2 player draft). Covington solid role player on a great contract, but I think his max value is to a contending team (cheap, 3 and D, wing = go to a winning team already). Saric, who knows? If Bulls are going for a complete tear down, there are worse things, but then why Rondo and Wade? One of the worst defensive backcourts plus Okafor plus McDermott plus Mritoc = worst defensive team in the NBA? And with no spacing? Bizarro Warriors.
I like that trade for the Sixers, not so much for the Bulls. I think Celtics can top that offer.
Maybe the first time in his career that Rondo will end up being the best 3 point shooter on the team. Yikes.
Meh, I like it.
Wade goes home to finish his career. Gets paid.
The Bulls will be a playoff team in a so/so East. LeBron should be declining in the next 3-5 years, so it makes sense to try to be on the rise then.
If you completely tank, Butler may get bored and want to leave.
Fans have reasons to come to games. They'll get to sell playoff tickets. Win win.
Wade goes home to finish his career. Gets paid.
The Bulls will be a playoff team in a so/so East. LeBron should be declining in the next 3-5 years, so it makes sense to try to be on the rise then.
If you completely tank, Butler may get bored and want to leave.
Fans have reasons to come to games. They'll get to sell playoff tickets. Win win.
had to guess i'd say 8th or so
losing kobe, and replacing scott with walton, should help them quite a bit. and in the short term mozgov is a serious upgrade from hibbert, though in two years i don't think they're going to love having his contract
russell should improve, not a huge randle fan but his effort and rebounding are helpful against the bottom feeders in the league. they're not going to get much from ingram in his first year, but they signed deng
if they ended up on the fringes of the playoff picture, it's ok for the sixers, since carter-wms is bound for the fringes of milwaukee's roster, and that still puts you within a shout of the more disappointing performers over the next 12 months from ntilikina, dennis smith, fox, ball, etc
if i were the sixers and nobody offered me anything worthwhile by labor day, i'd waive okafor. embiid/simmons/noel/holmes could be a really good big man rotation in two years. okafor is a terrible partner for any of those players
he hasn't done anything dumb yet, but i don't trust bryan colangelo to make the right call
^ agree with all the above except waiving Okafor. I think he can fetch a mid to late first. I'm no fan of his, and I'd definitely look to move him, but dumping a guy (and stretching his salary) for nothing when you could fetch something is a bad move.
well i'm worried that the sixers are focused on the value they get in return for the big they move rather than the value to them of the player they opt to keep, and wind up trading noel instead. i've watched more soccer than basketball over the last year, because of the 2015 tournament and the sixers taking okafor
beyond my personal dislike of the smug-looking slack-jawed chimes at midnight brat, his father, and kzyryzewski's typically cynical use of him, it's just jarringly awful every time he catches at the elbow and dribbles through his legs or palms the ball and holds it at his side while staring at his guy and rocker-stepping or enacts whatever flow-breaking masturbation he fancies at the moment
meanwhile noel switches onto the 1 and slaps the ball into the backcourt before chasing it down roughly twice a week. there are people who think one-on-one offense is more important than literally everything else combined
if embiid can play, then the sixers are pretty damned close to being really good in a few years, and noel can perennially threaten a dpoy/6th man double. it's certainly not as if he doesn't bring effort and energy
if embiid can't play, i suppose it's then more important to spin into okafor into something, while noel & simmons are probably the fastest 4/5 combo in the league end to end, and you can play 4/5 p n r with them with 3 & d spacers at the 3 perimeter spots
i'd be tempted to offer saric as a throw-in with okafor, but that's a lot of slow to add at once
beyond my personal dislike of the smug-looking slack-jawed chimes at midnight brat, his father, and kzyryzewski's typically cynical use of him, it's just jarringly awful every time he catches at the elbow and dribbles through his legs or palms the ball and holds it at his side while staring at his guy and rocker-stepping or enacts whatever flow-breaking masturbation he fancies at the moment
meanwhile noel switches onto the 1 and slaps the ball into the backcourt before chasing it down roughly twice a week. there are people who think one-on-one offense is more important than literally everything else combined
if embiid can play, then the sixers are pretty damned close to being really good in a few years, and noel can perennially threaten a dpoy/6th man double. it's certainly not as if he doesn't bring effort and energy
if embiid can't play, i suppose it's then more important to spin into okafor into something, while noel & simmons are probably the fastest 4/5 combo in the league end to end, and you can play 4/5 p n r with them with 3 & d spacers at the 3 perimeter spots
i'd be tempted to offer saric as a throw-in with okafor, but that's a lot of slow to add at once
bulls are going to be so F-ed
no one likes playing with rondo. and he isnt the player he once was. butler couldnt get along with rose...cant imagine rondo will be easier. then of course you have wade...who wants to shoot every 4th quarter shot. but its butler's team supposedly.
should go over well.
no one likes playing with rondo. and he isnt the player he once was. butler couldnt get along with rose...cant imagine rondo will be easier. then of course you have wade...who wants to shoot every 4th quarter shot. but its butler's team supposedly.
should go over well.
With Butler, Lopez and Wade, the odds of Rondo again leading the league in assists just increased. This is good for UK basketball any way you slice it.
My personal view is that I'd like to see Rondo play long enough to take the 10th spot on the all-time assists leader board. The way Paul is playing, it's going be hard to overtake him, but I think #10 is possible for Rajon.
not a bad off season for the bulls...
clearly not in the title hunting mode, but they didn't hit the tank button either...they decided to remain competitive but flexible with short term contracts...
Wade can still ball on a high level. Hopefully Bulls will put him on the Spurs old farts plan and really be smart with how they use him.
Rondo is a unique cat and can be tough to deal with, but I think Wade commands a lot of respect and is the type of dude who can get Rondo and Butler to play ball.
Also, Rondo is fine with passing which will keep Butler happy.
Again, not predicting grand things but Bulls didn't just say screw it like a lot of teams would have...
clearly not in the title hunting mode, but they didn't hit the tank button either...they decided to remain competitive but flexible with short term contracts...
Wade can still ball on a high level. Hopefully Bulls will put him on the Spurs old farts plan and really be smart with how they use him.
Rondo is a unique cat and can be tough to deal with, but I think Wade commands a lot of respect and is the type of dude who can get Rondo and Butler to play ball.
Also, Rondo is fine with passing which will keep Butler happy.
Again, not predicting grand things but Bulls didn't just say screw it like a lot of teams would have...
From an article on ESPN: "What's the worst deal made by an East team?" 3/5 said Rondo, and a fourth mentioned Rondo in his top 5. Last guy said Jeff Green.
Of all the years to tank, this might be the best in the last few years. There are fewer teams incentivized to tank - Philly wants to win (and will overlook nepotism in their pursuit of some wins), Brooklyn doesn't own its pick, Lakers signings show they want to win (and pick only top 3 protected), Suns signed vets to win, etc... The draft class this year is supposedly loaded, Bulls losing half their team anyway, and Butler is a huge asset/trade chip on his contract due to relatively good value and years remaining. Yet Wade/Rondo it is. In 2016. Not saying I want a tank job, but shooting (lol, not like this back court) for 44 wins is meh.
Rondo, Wade and Butler (sounds like a firm of sort).."It's Jimmy's team, then Wade, then there is a pecking order." R. Rondo..what he meant to say was, "When it is the 4th Quarter and I got the ball, Jimmy you might not be getting yours, 'cause I'm gonna be thinkin' about gettin' mine first." Wade will be on the "can't play due to injury list" and it will be Nov.
Rondo and Wade were both 2yr deals which means they'll have high trade value next year as expiring contracts. The deals could make the Bulls the 5-6 seed in the East. If it blows up they aren't committed to the players long term. Solid moves by Chicago. If they couldn't get a huge return of picks for Butler might as well try and make the playoffs and perhaps sign a big free agent next summer.
D Wade's wack job ex-wife, who tried to burn down their house in Miami, is practicing law in Chicago now. I'd want to stay much farther away from that one!
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Team makeup doesn't make much sense. Three guys who can't shoot and need the ball in their hands, and only one of them puts any consistent effort on defense. They might still make the playoffs, but they're a first round exit most likely.
I don't think expirings have the same appeal as 10 years ago. IIRC, Rondo's second year is only partially guaranteed, so less downside risk, and not sure about Wade's contract (that he hasn't signed yet, if I'm reading right?). No doubt the penny pinching Reisndort is trying to make the playoffs and squeeze out revenue.
They may not be as valuable as years prior but expiring contracts are still valuable especially for teams that won't to rebuild and unload cap. Also, more than just trades the Bulls can wash their hands of these deals after just 2 years. They aren't contenders but it's a solid set of moves for Chicago.