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Boogie and LeBron?
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Maybe so...maybe not. All we know is what we've seen from Demarcus in the NBA.
Best big man in the league who has failed to make his team or teammates any better than the day he arrived. The moping, beetching, suspensions, fights, hitting people in the nuts and stomach (both when the receiving players werent looking btw), blatant disrespect for multiple coaches and teammates, grabbing his crotch and mouthing expletives towards fans isn't really happening from all the other Kings players for it to be such a nightmare of an environment.
So to blame it all on the Kings organization is just the easy way out and showing a big blue bias. And yes the Kings are a dumb dumb franchise, but maybe their dumbest move is to continue to invest millions in a headache player that they can continue to be awful with or without.
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The Zen master Phil Jackson and the team made allowances for his behavior. A different set of rules applied to him. Maybe Boogie needs the same? Maybe we all do?
Yeah if I'm starting a team from scratch, I'd take Cousins over Draymond. That still doesn't make it a smart move for Cleveland.
I'd shite my pants if Cousins ended up with Cleveland. That would be so exciting. LeBron would be the perfect type player to allow Cousins to operate effectively. What a powerfull tandem. The rims might send in their resignation.
It would be a great deal for the Cavs. I'm not sure why the Kings would want to make this trade. If you can't win games with Cousins, adding Love to be your star player doesn't make a lot of sense. Regardless of Cousin's attitude problems, if you get a chance to add a superstar player in Cousins while just losing a talent like Love, you do it everytime you get the chance. LeBron is respected by every player in the league and if Cousins is added to the Cavs, i bet we won't hear another word about Cousins attitude problems. When Cousins is winning basketball games, he behaves well.
Best big man in the league for a franchise that has failed to make the team any better. HOnestly in his 5- years there what other player are you taking? One, Isiah Thomas. And they only had a few years together. Blame goes with out a doubt to shitshow franchise as much as it does on anyone.
Take off the BBN glasses. Professionals gamblers like RJ Bell (unlike typical uk slurpers) state that behind LeBron, draymond green has the greatest affect on a point spread.
I get that Cousins played at Kentucky and you love him, but to say that taking Green over cousins is laughable says more about your bias than your knowledge of the game.
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Player Efficiency Rating of 23.67 > 19.31
My knowledge of the game tells me DeMarcus Cousins scores twice as many ppg, and also rebounds at a higher rate. (In the same amount of time played per game.)
To call me a homer is hilarious. You act like this isn't even a debate.
Maybe RJ can get Green a max contract. Green carries that team. [roll]
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green already has a max contract, i believe
shot 38% from 3, and averaged 7.5 assists a game as a 4. first team all defense last two seasons
you're the one insisting there's no debate
for me, green's defense/open shooting/passing makes him more of a winning player in modern basketballl
shot 38% from 3, and averaged 7.5 assists a game as a 4. first team all defense last two seasons
you're the one insisting there's no debate
for me, green's defense/open shooting/passing makes him more of a winning player in modern basketballl
That is what I was thinking as well. With the NBA going small ball, the bigs are going to have to either get better at defending on the perimeter or sit the bench during various stretches.
I like the way Barkley mentions having the small team try and defend the bigs in the reverse situation. But as the game speeds up, the bigs are simply at a disadvantage.
I'm sure this was already addressed.. but Green was suspended for being a D-Bag. You can only pull antics for so long before action has to be taken. Maybe GSW doesn't even make the finals if Green was properly punished.
As for Cousins and Thompson.. I don't know. That's a lot of size for a game that's moving to shooters and stretch 4s. Would love to see Cousins with Lebron, but that original roster that was posted probably needs work.
Cousins biggest hindrance to his realizing his potential is himself. He takes too many bad shots and is pretty terrible at ball security.
Playing alongside a ball dominant player like Lebron would alleviate Cousins from some of his weaknesses. He won't have to take as many bad shots or try to be a play maker. He can focus on doing what he is great at, getting boards and being a beast in the paint.
Playing alongside a ball dominant player like Lebron would alleviate Cousins from some of his weaknesses. He won't have to take as many bad shots or try to be a play maker. He can focus on doing what he is great at, getting boards and being a beast in the paint.
Exactly what Boogie needs...somebody to remind him that he ain't the second coming...
Boogie needs strong leadership around him...he needs to learn how to be a pro...lebron is that...Ty lue won't take any lip from him either...
he's always had the talent but never had the supporting cast, never had a credible alpha role model to lead and carry all the weight....
he excelled at UK...why?...Cal...Wall, Bledsoe, Patterson...hasn't had anything like that in the league yet...
Boogie needs strong leadership around him...he needs to learn how to be a pro...lebron is that...Ty lue won't take any lip from him either...
he's always had the talent but never had the supporting cast, never had a credible alpha role model to lead and carry all the weight....
he excelled at UK...why?...Cal...Wall, Bledsoe, Patterson...hasn't had anything like that in the league yet...
While the Cavs are at it, they should find a time machine and go back to 1992 and pick up Jordan (to upgrade the SG spot) and Malone (to upgrade the PF spot. Wow, think of that team!
Irving
Jordan
LeBron
Malone
Cousins.
Did you not see Thompson guarding Curry and Klay during the finals? He shut them down for the most part when given the opportunity in games 5-7. Cousins would have trouble, but by getting in better shape Demarcus is agile enough to defend stretch 4's and pick and rolls.
WTF are you talking about? It's an idea that has been talked about with the Cavs and Celtics to try and get Cousins. Go back to bed.
Were these sites Cavs fan sites? That would be one of the worst trades in history. Cousin > Love, McLemore>Shumpert. Also those picks would be very late first round picks. The NBA blocked CP3/Lakers trade and this one is a lot worse. Cleveland doesn't have what it would take to land Cousins. Too many teams could give a lot more to the Kings for Cousins.
The Celtics might have what it would take to land Cousin but the Cavs don't. If you think the Kings are trading possibly the best big man in the NBA for two late first rounders and a guy who averaged 16pts/gm then you need to put down the pipe.
exactly this. they might have to give up jr smith + love for cousins. Cousins is a franchise player right now, love isn't.
different situation entirely. cal had him for one season and cousins was still at cal's mercy for decisions like playing time. no one was going to unseat cal if he did not pander to cousins. tables turn in the nba, where the players have the say to do things. even cal would be at the mercy of folks like LeBron, cousins, russel westbook, etc. inccidently, this is the reason I think coach k didn't go to the nba--no room for his ego.
The NBA owned New Orleans at the time is why the NBA was able to block it.
And Cleveland would have to own the Kings to make them do a dumb trade like the one proposed. They don't so it ain't happening.
Once again...facts are unwanted on this board lol. The Kings know Cousins wants out. Why keep him unhappy and have shat hit the fan or lose him when it's time for FA when they could get a Kevin Love who is a west coast guy and would love the area.
I didn't say the NBA would block the trade. I was saying that this proposed trade was worse than the CP3 trade. Love is a role player and Cousins is a star. Fact: They aren't trading Cousins for Love. Here's another fact: Cleveland doesn't have anything to land Cousins unless it's Irving or LeBron and Cleveland ain't doing that. Lol! You're talking about "facts" while pipe dreaming!!
Demarcus should score more points and get more rebounds since he is the only NBA player on the Kings. [banana][banana][banana]
Love's stats at Minnesota were the same as Demarcus at the Kings. Both teams sucked.
and PER favors players that take a lot of shots
First most of you are automatically assuming the Warriors improved their team. Not necessarily true. No team has had four offensive weapons as good and GS won't either. Only one ball. They greatly weakened their bench which was a key. They needed rim protection. More defense and rebounding. True point guard maybe. If any of you remember when wilt joined the Lakers it worked because wilt totally changed his game. Curry sure won't. Green won't. So that leaves Thompson. Put boogie on the cavs they will kill clevland. He is not a defensive liability. What if d Wade came to. I've been a cavs fan since day one. I would give anything to see this trade.
how the f did they weaken their bench greatly? by losing festivus ezeli?
pachulia averaged 13 rebounds per 36, and is an excellent defender. he doesn't block shots but he contests effectively at the rim
they replaced a joe schmo schmuck in harrison barnes with a top 5 player in his prime who is better than barnes at everything except making up nicknames for himself
pachulia is better than bogut
they still have iguodala, and perhaps looney finds a role
you people need to stop outsmarting yourselves
They may have to let more go. We will have to wait and see. I just see chemistry as a problem. Kevin love to clevland was a no Brainer. Roll back time. Woukd they make the trade again? NO
sorry, i thought the cavs were stupid for making that trade
they're lucky wiggins hasn't developed into more than a one-dimensional scorer
they're lucky wiggins hasn't developed into more than a one-dimensional scorer
That trade helped them win a title and by your own admission, Wiggins would not have helped them much...Seems like a decent trade to me.
yeah love was integral, too
wiggins on a rookie deal would be much better for them--that roster is crying out for another wing athlete
dumb trade. not as dumb as taking bennett though
wiggins on a rookie deal would be much better for them--that roster is crying out for another wing athlete
dumb trade. not as dumb as taking bennett though
If Cleveland were looking to win 3-4 years down the road, then keeping Wiggins might have been smarter.
Even then, the chance that Wiggins even develops into a star is small and he may never be as good as Love. An aging Lebron makes the trade even more enticing.
uh, love is pretty much useless, and his $20 mil + salary has forced them to fill out their roster with ring-chasing scrub vets
They'll deny the post with swarming D, same as they do against any post threats. Allowing zone defenses (and really, the hybrid Thibs systems that overload the strong side and rotate to help on switches) hurt post players for this reason more than it hurt shooters (because shooting destroys zones), hence why shooting has increased in value as post play has decreased. Boogie would be terrific in those lineups, of course, but he'd have to be locked in on D in a way that has... eluded him in his career so far. He'd be guarding Green or Durant in PnR.
D is Green, no question. On GSW it's Green, no question. His style is more valuable in the PnR small-ball league, even if Boogie is more talented. Green can't be the best player on a championship team (at least on offense), but he's perfect as a second or third banana.