It's funny how a KU fan can make a statement like "imagine what Self could do with a 5* PG", then I point out he had one recently that did nothing and he attempts to redirect from the question by making it about Cal. I thought we were talking about Self, not Cal?
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Every coach has highly rated players who turned out not to live up to the hype. You pointed out one, so did I. Selby was injured his frosh year and made the wrong decision to leave early. Also, Mason's preseason rankings in those two articles held true as he got his team to the Elite 8.
I guess Harrison leading his team to a title game and a Final Four means not living up to hype...
Boston Cat2001 - so wait......Thomas Robinson ...pretty much barely behind Anthony Davis - WASN'T the top PF in college basketball in 2011/12?!?!?!?! Davis pretty much played the "5" so I wouldn't use him for the basis for comparison.
If you listen to Kansas fans there 800 pound phenomenon known as azabukie(sp? Don't care) will be the next Shaq. How the hell he is 16 and in college is beyond me. Sure he's athletic for his size but no way in hell that guy will be able to get back on fast break d. Look at Meeks for unc he had to drop a lot of weight just to compete and it's just now showing. Plus Justin Jackson isn't too fond of passing the ball he suffers from Jaheim Tatum syndrome. I can't wait for the rupp beat down this yr. good look to thorton. Personally, I would like to see cal go after Newman. He would be a nice addition for next yr.
thomas robinson...has he learned to dribble yet? ku fans still salty over that one...till the very end they felt he was better than davis. like it matters about position.
keep livin on those stats....its all you really have
You asked us to imagine what Self could do with a 5-star PG.
We don't have to, we saw what happened with Selby.
What does that have to do with Cal?
Exactly.
Wouldn't Brand, Okafor, or Laettner be much better representatives of what K can do with elite big men than Parks?
Same with Cousins, Davis, or KAT instead of Johnson for UK.
Same with Wall, Bledsoe, or Knight instead of Harrison at PG for UK.
Pull out one bad apple out of a bunch of good ones.
It matters in what BostonCat2001 stated that I was disputing.....KU under Self never even with the best at a position in College.
I would certainly argue that Tho. Robinson was far and away the best "4" man in the College game in 2012. The "3" (Kidd-Gilchrist), "4" (Tho. Robinson) & "5" (An. Davis) were all pretty obvious as to who was best that year.
Except for the one you pointed out led his team to back to back Final Fours, played for a championship as a freshman and as Sophomore almost led his team to an undefeated season, going 38-1, making history that will probably never be broken with a 38-0 start.
The one he pointed out was a complete bust and did more harm to the team than good. Big difference between the two, and for you to even try to say Selby in the same breath as An. Harrison like both are equally bad is quite a reach on your part.
An. Harrison not being drafted very high had more to do with his athleticism or lack thereof. Selby not being drafted very high had everything to do with him not being a very good basketball player. Again, big difference between the two. An. Harrison is at least somewhat good at basketball, Selby is not.
Btw, when's the last time KU had a PG come close to accomplishing what An. Harrison accomplished in his college career? The answer would be never. Better yet, when is the last time KU had a PG even lead his team to back to back Final Fours? Hinrich?
The point is, if you consider An. Harrison to be a bust considering what he was able to accomplish at UK in just two shorts years, then pretty much every single PG to ever play for KU was a bust.
You could easily argue both mason and graham are better than Harrison. The only reason Harrison had a season Like that was the team around him and the fact he played in the sec everything you said sounded like he was some amazing point guard when he was avarge.
Harrison was surrounded by a team whose bench had NBA talent. How about Tyshawn Taylor - who was ranked in the 70's coming out of high school and took his team whose 6th man was a walk on to the NCAA title game?
And your point is? Harrison was still the starting PG on both of those teams, contributed his fair share to the accomplishments, and deserves every bit as much credit for his share of contributions.
Besides, gmafb. A KU fan trying to question Harrison's contributions to those teams, like he road coattails or something is laughable. There's a thread on phog.net right now with fools celebrating Kaun "winning" an NBA championship, acting like he actually had something to do with winning it.
If Harrison would have went to KU, and accomplished what he accomplished (two straight FF's, including a title game and a 38-1 season) the Jayhawk fans would be calling him one of the greatest PGs to ever play at KU. They already have Mason and Graham on a pedestal, and they haven't even sniffed a FF yet.
Meanwhile, Harrison is a mediocre PG by UK standards. When you have Wall, Knight, Bledsoe, and Teague ahead of you on the list of PGs to play at UK under Cal, you have to either win it all or be a star in the NBA to get any kind of recognition.
What I can't believe is these KU guys haven't brought up the great Mario Chalmers yet. He should be the poster child for KU PG success, since he is the only one that has won anything. He has a NCAA and NBA ring, why haven't they mentioned him? Just curious. If I was a Jayhawk, he would be my first and only argument for PG.
Of course, Chalmers, like Harrison, is the exception to the rule. Every once in a while Cal will get a (relativiely speaking) dud and Self will get a (relatively speaking) stud at PG.
It's silly to argue that Self can even touch Cal at PG. KU fans can give the tired old argument that Self doesn't get 5-stars at that position, but there is a reason he doesn't, he has yet to prove he can get an elite level PG NBA ready in one season.
Now wings (especially NBA SF's), that's a different story. Self owns that position, right now. He will probably keep getting studs there as long as Wiggins continues to be a star on the rise.
As was already pointed out, Cal is the best at developing NBA ready points and bigs. Can you argue with Wall, Bledsoe, Knight, Cousins, AD, and KAT? Self is best with wings (particularly SF's). K is right behind them, but can develop all five positions (though with him just recently embracing OAD's, it's a very small sample size).
Meanwhile, Harrison is a mediocre PG by UK standards. When you have Wall, Knight, Bledsoe, and Teague ahead of you on the list of PGs to play at UK under Cal, you have to either win it all or be a star in the NBA to get any kind of recognition.
What I can't believe is these KU guys haven't brought up the great Mario Chalmers yet. He should be the poster child for KU PG success, since he is the only one that has won anything. He has a NCAA and NBA ring, why haven't they mentioned him? Just curious. If I was a Jayhawk, he would be my first and only argument for PG.
Of course, Chalmers, like Harrison, is the exception to the rule. Every once in a while Cal will get a (relativiely speaking) dud and Self will get a (relatively speaking) stud at PG.
It's silly to argue that Self can even touch Cal at PG. KU fans can give the tired old argument that Self doesn't get 5-stars at that position, but there is a reason he doesn't, he has yet to prove he can get an elite level PG NBA ready in one season.
Now wings (especially NBA SF's), that's a different story. Self owns that position, right now. He will probably keep getting studs there as long as Wiggins continues to be a star on the rise.
As was already pointed out, Cal is the best at developing NBA ready points and bigs. Can you argue with Wall, Bledsoe, Knight, Cousins, AD, and KAT? Self is best with wings (particularly SF's). K is right behind them, but can develop all five positions (though with him just recently embracing OAD's, it's a very small sample size).
I would have gladly taken Harrison on KU's team and he would have been a great player for us. I'm only saying based on his high school projections and ultimate draft position (which seems to be important here), he underachieved. KU has definitely struggled to land 5* point guards.