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We should have all known the kid wouldn't play for Self and Ku. When was the last time Self and Ku got a point guard rated so high? It's been a long time. Don't get me wrong. It does make the job Self is doing at Ku even more impressive. I am glad the kid picked a school that at the end of the day won't make a difference in the title contender's race. I do believe this kid is more talented than he showed his freshman year at Duke. I hope everything works out for the kid and he gets to play in a system better suited for his style of play and just for fun, let's hope in the future Duke gets to play Usc and this kid. That would be fun.
 
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Word is they have a good shot at Malik Newman. Would have helped if DT picked KU then Tre might have cut KU
 
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yeah, go ahead and get newman, that would be another awesome move by self. Almost as good as getting the scrub known as hunter micklesun.
 
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I hope USC starts to thrive as a program. At least they owned up to their shenanigans and self-imposed serious sanctions. Something UNCheat would never do, even though they did far worse.
 
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Quincey24 said:
Word is they have a good shot at Malik Newman. Would have helped if DT picked KU then Tre might have cut KU
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KU will likely have a Senior three year starter back at PG in Devonte Graham.

Besides, Young knows the best business decision for him is UK.
 
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bucsrule8872 said:
KU will likely have a Senior three year starter back at PG in Devonte Graham.

Besides, Young knows the best business decision for him is UK.
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Idk. Self kinda sucks at putting players in the pros and players achieving there potential at a young age and they usually stay 4 years. But Graham impressed me at times last season. If he had a good season I could easily see him entering draft and going mid-late second round.
 
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Both kus guards are solid college players. But when you think about a SR and JR at a Major college program these days, they clearly have some flaws.
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...tar-transfer-derryck-thornton-commits-to-usc/

Not that it ever really seemed an option for us but I'm kinda glad he didn't go to Kansas.
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Of course Thornton was an option. Kentucky was known to be fairly high on Thornton's list at the time he reclassified and signed with Duke. This next national class is thin at point guard, so going after Thornton as a redshirt transfer was a realistic option unless Calipari likes the alternatives better. Calipari didn't go after Thornton, so he must be confident about signing Trae Young.
 
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Self's inability to land a high profile PG recruit is pretty interesting. Dude recruits every position well but that one and has to rely on guys like Johnson, Tharpe and Mason to run his team. Kills them in March.
 
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Wait...a USC basketball topic and no mention of the coach's wife. You people are slipping.

 
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Rumor is Graham goes pro after this year (though he probably shouldn't). Young may pick UK and I hope he does but knowing you're best business decision doesn't always mean a player will pick UK

bucsrule8872 said:
KU will likely have a Senior three year starter back at PG in Devonte Graham.

Besides, Young knows the best business decision for him is UK.
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Graham goes pro? Devonte Graham does not have a future in the NBA. You serious?
 
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Quincey24 said:
Rumor is Graham goes pro after this year (though he probably shouldn't). Young may pick UK and I hope he does but knowing you're best business decision doesn't always mean a player will pick UK
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If you are a PG, it does.

Oh, wait you are a Duke fan, right?

No wonder you want to argue this.
 
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Aike said:
He's not a Duke fan. Not a UK fan either. But I don't think he's an enemy.
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Ooh, I thought he was one of the Dukies that have been infesting the board lately.

But he is just a "insert a team" fan.

Either way, the argument is the same as it has been since Cal arrived, "It doesn't matter who coaches these elite guys...blah, blah, blah..." which is bull.

Cal is the best at preparing players for the next level. That's not biased opinion, that is what NBA scouts are saying.
 
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bucsrule8872 said:
Ooh, I thought he was one of the Dukies that have been infesting the board lately.

But he is just a "insert a team" fan.

Either way, the argument is the same as it has been since Cal arrived, "It doesn't matter who coaches these elite guys...blah, blah, blah..." which is bull.

Cal is the best at preparing players for the next level. That's not biased opinion, that is what NBA scouts are saying.
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Yeah, I don't know what he thinks exactly. His nephew plays in the NBA and I think maybe he's a trainer. Not sure.
 
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I think young could pick UK. He could also pick kannas , rember just a few weeks ago this was a Duke-Oklahoma battle l. He's hard to read, I'm interested on why you guys think he's a lock to y'all?
 
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Zachdeer1 said:
I think young could pick UK. He could also pick kannas , rember just a few weeks ago this was a Duke-Oklahoma battle l. He's hard to read, I'm interested on why you guys think he's a lock to y'all?
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Have never heard a thing about it ever being a Duke-Oklahoma battle.

Self can't land a point guard to save his life and Calipari rarely loses his top PG prospect. I think he's UK's to lose.
 
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wcc31 said:
Have never heard a thing about it ever being a Duke-Oklahoma battle.

Self can't land a point guard to save his life and Calipari rarely loses his top PG prospect. I think he's UK's to lose.
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I followed him.for awhile and st one point he said duke lead for him and in the crystal ball it was something like 70-30 duke-oklahoma I though he was ours to lose (his school forced us to stop recruiting) so I thought he was going to OK apparently he still likes Duke. On the cal rarely loses a top pg recruit I have to agree I would love to see one last k-cal battle for a pg before he retires.
 
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Zachdeer1 said:
I think young could pick UK. He could also pick kannas , rember just a few weeks ago this was a Duke-Oklahoma battle l. He's hard to read, I'm interested on why you guys think he's a lock to y'all?
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Most of the recruiting gurus have had him to UK since we started recruiting him. I have never heard of Duke being the leader or even ahead of UK.

Most of the stuff I have read from the Duke side is that you guys have never felt like you have had much of a chance with Young and we're counting on maybe getting Waters.

I think it's similar to the Carter and Trent situation. Most people feel they are a lock to Duke. Most people feel that Young and Petty are locks to UK.

Sometimes those early feelings work out (KAT was considered UK bound way before he committed, Okafor the same with Duke) and sometimes it doesn't (Gabriel was thought to be a Dukie and signed with UK, a lot of people thought Simmons was a UK lock and he ended up at Zona).
 
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wcc31 said:
Have never heard a thing about it ever being a Duke-Oklahoma battle.

Self can't land a point guard to save his life and Calipari rarely loses his top PG prospect. I think he's UK's to lose.
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That's true. But Calipari seems to not be able to land small forwards to save his life. Coach K used to not be able to land centers, but now seems to be recruiting well at all positions.

Say what you will about Graham and Mason not being elite point guards, but compare their stats against the top point guards in college and they are at the top.
 
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bucsrule8872 said:
Most of the recruiting gurus have had him to UK since we started recruiting him. I have never heard of Duke being the leader or even ahead of UK.
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The only Kansas fan who thinks Kansas has a shot at Young is Matt Scott. The rest of us have this an OU/Kentucky battle with Kentucky leading by a mile.
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
That's true. But Calipari seems to not be able to land small forwards to save his life. Coach K used to not be able to land centers, but now seems to be recruiting well at all positions.

Say what you will about Graham and Mason not being elite point guards, but compare their stats against the top point guards in college and they are at the top.
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If you consider being a good college backcourt being elite, then yes. If you consider being a good pro PG elite, then probably not.

Besides, what they were talking about is landing an elite 5-star recruit at PG. That's something Self hasn't done since the Josh Selby debacle.

I like Mason and Graham together as a college backcourt, but I don't see either one being very successful as a pro. They both have flaws, but complement each other quite well.
 
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bucsrule8872 said:
Most of the recruiting gurus have had him to UK since we started recruiting him. I have never heard of Duke being the leader or even ahead of UK.

Most of the stuff I have read from the Duke side is that you guys have never felt like you have had much of a chance with Young and we're counting on maybe getting Waters.

I think it's similar to the Carter and Trent situation. Most people feel they are a lock to Duke. Most people feel that Young and Petty are locks to UK.

Sometimes those early feelings work out (KAT was considered UK bound way before he committed, Okafor the same with Duke) and sometimes it doesn't (Gabriel was thought to be a Dukie and signed with UK, a lot of people thought Simmons was a UK lock and he ended up at Zona).
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I think were going after green now. Gabe was never a duke lock we were his leaders but never was a lock , locks in recent years are like Allen to us or Stanley Johnson to zona
 
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If you consider being a good college backcourt being elite, then yes. If you consider being a good pro PG elite, then probably not.

Besides, what they were talking about is landing an elite 5-star recruit at PG. That's something Self hasn't done since the Josh Selby debacle.

I like Mason and Graham together as a college backcourt, but I don't see either one being very successful as a pro. They both have flaws, but complement each other quite well.
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I never have understood why a college basketball fan should care what a player will do after college. John Wall's wins, for example, in the NBA do not add to Kentucky's all-time wins column, nor do they help Kentucky win games in the NCAA tournament.

I want the players Self recruits to KU to be the best players in college basketball. I don't care if they go on to play in the NBA and become superstars or not. If you compare Mason's statistics to the 5* point guards in his class, and the top point guards in college right now, he has the same or better stats.

Imagine what Self could do with a 5* point guard coming out of high school.
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
I never have understood why a college basketball fan should care what a player will do after college. John Wall's wins, for example, in the NBA do not add to Kentucky's all-time wins column, nor do they help Kentucky win games in the NCAA tournament.

I want the players Self recruits to KU to be the best players in college basketball. I don't care if they go on to play in the NBA and become superstars or not. If you compare Mason's statistics to the 5* point guards in his class, and the top point guards in college right now, he has the same or better stats.

Imagine what Self could do with a 5* point guard coming out of high school.
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nobody raises more stat banners than KU fans. sargin, RPI, kenpom.

top player at the position on college...nope
player NBA wants...nope
final fours/titles...nope

but stats man...those stats are the same as some other guys. mission accomplished!
 
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BostonCat2001 said:
nobody raises more stat banners than KU fans. sargin, RPI, kenpom.

top player at the position on college...nope
player NBA wants...nope
final fours/titles...nope

but stats man...those stats are the same as some other guys. mission accomplished!
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Top player at position in college... yep (see below where his stats compare with the top point guards in college)
Player NBA wants ... Who cares? But go ahead and hang a banner for that.
Final Fours/Titles ... Yep.

As I mentioned before, I don't care whether a player goes on to play in the NBA. That does nothing for adding to Wins for my team. Why is that so important to you?

Again Mason's stats hold up:

Ulis stats - 48.6% 2 pt fg, 34.4% 3 pt fg, 85.6% FT, 3 rpg, 7 apg
Cat Barber - 45.3% 2 pt fg, 36.1% 3 pt fg, 86.5% FT, 4.6 rpg, 4.5 apg
Mason stats - 43.4% 2 pt fg, 38.1% 3 pt fg, 74.4% FT, 4.3 rpg, 4.6 apg

14 Final Fours/ 3 Titles
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
Top player at position in college... yep (see below where his stats compare with the top point guards in college)
Player NBA wants ... Who cares? But go ahead and hang a banner for that.
Final Fours/Titles ... Yep.

As I mentioned before, I don't care whether a player goes on to play in the NBA. That does nothing for adding to Wins for my team. Why is that so important to you?

Again Mason's stats hold up:

Ulis stats - 48.6% 2 pt fg, 34.4% 3 pt fg, 85.6% FT, 3 rpg, 7 apg
Cat Barber - 45.3% 2 pt fg, 36.1% 3 pt fg, 86.5% FT, 4.6 rpg, 4.5 apg
Mason stats - 43.4% 2 pt fg, 38.1% 3 pt fg, 74.4% FT, 4.3 rpg, 4.6 apg

14 Final Fours/ 3 Titles
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the only people who consider mason a top point guard are ku fans.
 
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KnowsAllTellsAll said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ds-for-2015-16-ncaa-basketball-season/page/17

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...basketball/ivxjrxkxtbs41s576f9zv0h7l/slide/10

It's clear you don't have statistics to support your position. Your position is blind hatred for KU.
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did you just really link an article that had mason rated as #9 at his position? an article that was dated in oct, before the season?

thanks for proving my point. mason is a nice player, not a top player at his position.
and again this year...when rankings come out and he is behind guys like fox, briscoe, ball, fultz, smith, morris, berry, etc...again how good are you really if year after year there are 5-10 guys better than you...most of which are fresh/soph.
 
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