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You've got to be kidding me. LeBron gets very few breaks from the refs? In a reasonably called NBA game (perhaps an oxymoron, I know), someone OTHER than LBJ gets called for at least 3 traveling violations a game. How many drives to the hoop does he get per game that the refs allow at least 3 steps? And, with very, very few exceptions, how many times does he lower his head/shoulder on a drive and plow right over/through a defender only to have the defender called for the foul? LBJ is great, no doubt. But he gets as many or more calls than Jordan ever did.
The East is horrible. The cavs would probably be a 4th or 5th seed at best if Cleveland were in the western conference most years. The cavs are the best in the east but thats not saying much lol
He's soft as hell too.
I honestly think Lebron made a huge mistaken aligning himself with Kyrie and Love. Kyrie isn't a winner. He's a loser and not the type of PG you want.
Grew up and live in Bay area and huge warrior fan. I thought the warriors would this series in 6 but it really is bizarre watching the cavs. Even before love went out, the cavs have just looked off. I know the warriors play good d but part of it feels like the cavs aren't fully engaged. Kind of a weird first couple games.
I also love the way the Warriors play. I like teams that can shoot and generates good ball movement and plays up tempo. I have never liked teams where they just use strength to overpower you and I absolutely can't stand Lebron so this has been an enjoyable series.
The owner of the Warriors wanted to trade klay and Livingston for love. Both of which are the only reason the Warriors made it to the finals. What a dip ****.
I'm so sick of the Lebron lovers vs haters. FFS, IDGAF what you think anymore. He's a great player on a team that's not as good as the team he's playing. Dear God, stfu about it.
What a ridiculous move that would have been. Klay and Curry are one of the best duos in the league.
Check out how terrible the NBA GMs were in the 2011 NBA Draft. Look who went ahead of Klay.
-Derrick Williams
-Enes Kanter
-Tristan Thompson
-Jonas Valancias
- Jan Veseley (not in the league anymore)
- Bismack Biyombo
- Brandon Knight
- Kemba Walker
- Jimmer Fredette
That just shows you how important scouts are and how easily they can eff up the direction of a franchise. Think about how differently the Kings might look if they had an intelligent management team that knew how to draft talent. They could have landed Cousins, Klay Thompson and Damien Lillard in three consecutive drafts. Instead they got Fridette and Thomas Robinson.
Had wall played at duke it wouldn't even be a question. ESPN would pump him and his brand as the best point guard in the game. No shift needed.
Yeah? Why don't you marry him if you have such a boner for Lebron?
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When Bron signed with Cleveland who could have seen Golden St being this great ? In fact if he stayed in Miami it wouldn't even matter they also wouldn't beat Golden St especially with Bosh out with blood clots both years
No you can just not comment on the fact he is a drama queen. Idgaf what you think. Go Warrior's!
By extended part of the series you mean the last 2 games right.
Anything is possible (well almost) but you'd have to be nuts to expect the Cavs to avoid being swept given that they have lost by a combined 48 points while neither Curry or Thompson played up to their normal level in either game.
It seems to me that the Warriers have too much speed and quickness for the Cavs to handle plus their shooting ability.
This is a moot point now but I still hold to my opinion 2 years ago...... they should have never let Andrew Wiggins go for Kevin Love.
Lebron won 2 titles in 4 years with the Heat. And not sure if serious on your question.
Mozgov got called numerous times for illegal screens while bogut basically slides left and right to stay in front of the cavs player and never gets called.
He's not, but this is exactly what happens when you take several ball dominant players and put them on the same team (e.g. Russel Westbrook and whomever he plays with)
Kyrie doesn't make anyone better and can shoot you out of a game. He's like a bad Iverson. Never was a fan.
Love is effective when he's ball dominant. That way his offense can overshadow his lack of defense. Love gets less shots, love gets much less effective, period.
This team needs a Nerlens Noel type far more than another gunner. They were most effective when Mosgov was playing well, but that time has passed. Tristan Thompson is okay, but not going to fix all your woes.
They need defense, specifically shot blocking because everyone can get by Love and Irving. Imagine WCS or Noel at C for them... Instantly better.
Love is effective when he's ball dominant. That way his offense can overshadow his lack of defense. Love gets less shots, love gets much less effective, period.
This team needs a Nerlens Noel type far more than another gunner. They were most effective when Mosgov was playing well, but that time has passed. Tristan Thompson is okay, but not going to fix all your woes.
They need defense, specifically shot blocking because everyone can get by Love and Irving. Imagine WCS or Noel at C for them... Instantly better.
And I wanted this guy bad in Atlanta when the opportunity seemed to be there.
I can acknowledge I may have missed on that one.
LeBron still hasn't learned his lesson about Cleveland: you don't win championships in Cleveland.
If Lebron were smart, he'd dump Irving and Love. He needs to get a tough nosed point guard that isn't made of glass. If not Wall, he should have Cavs go after Bledsoe.
Love is an incredibly overrated player. Just seems to be soft, can't play solid defense, nothing. If he isn't socring, he's a complete liability.
As much James won't want to admit it, he made a huge mistake in letting Andrew Wiggins go to Minnesota. He needs to revamp his idea of what he needs from his supporting cast. A good start would be to quit trying to sign broken 40 year olds that had a good year or 2 with him in Miami. Also, Dellavodova (however the f*ck you spell his name) is garbage and needs to be dropped as well.
Love is an incredibly overrated player. Just seems to be soft, can't play solid defense, nothing. If he isn't socring, he's a complete liability.
As much James won't want to admit it, he made a huge mistake in letting Andrew Wiggins go to Minnesota. He needs to revamp his idea of what he needs from his supporting cast. A good start would be to quit trying to sign broken 40 year olds that had a good year or 2 with him in Miami. Also, Dellavodova (however the f*ck you spell his name) is garbage and needs to be dropped as well.
Here's my thing on it
It's fine if you're Durant, Curry, Wade, etc. I don't expect those guys to elevate a team all by himself. LeBron for 12-13 years now has been sold to me as the chosen one, the King, better than Kobe, better than Jordan. He's the best because he makes his teammates better moreso than the other stars. Why isn't he making them better when it matters most? And it's fair to say that they aren't showing up. But, when they do show up, we're giving LeBron the praise for making them better.
If you're in that discussion for the best ever, then you've got to get it done in some of these. I don't care that he isn't undefeated. I think the whole Jordan going 6-0 in the Finals is an overused and misleading statistic. But I do care that he's only won 2 rings. This IS his legacy on the line.
Curry, Durant, Wade, CP3--they were never pushed as the best ever. If they win, good on them. If not--they still aren't even in the discussion for the best ever.
The Cavs are good, the West had some great teams though. As someone said, East vs. West is a big difference.
The Warriors are better this year, and have something to prove with Irving and Love playing (although Love went out, but they still lose the game IMO).
Lebron probably is starting to feel some wear and tear...he came in the league straight out of HS. He has avoided any major injuries so far...as Kobe did until a few years back. Then he got hurt and things changed a lot. If Lebron can avoid that he will good for another half decade for sure. I'm not sure the Cavs are ever gonna be good enough to beat the West champ though. That's funny considering how they were proclaimed a super team like Miami before them. Lebron is great, but he still has not won anything without two other super stars on his team. Yes I know, Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, Jordan had Pippen and so on...but Lebron has 2 of those types in Miami and Cleveland.
The Warriors are better this year, and have something to prove with Irving and Love playing (although Love went out, but they still lose the game IMO).
Lebron probably is starting to feel some wear and tear...he came in the league straight out of HS. He has avoided any major injuries so far...as Kobe did until a few years back. Then he got hurt and things changed a lot. If Lebron can avoid that he will good for another half decade for sure. I'm not sure the Cavs are ever gonna be good enough to beat the West champ though. That's funny considering how they were proclaimed a super team like Miami before them. Lebron is great, but he still has not won anything without two other super stars on his team. Yes I know, Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, Jordan had Pippen and so on...but Lebron has 2 of those types in Miami and Cleveland.
He is a legitimate offensive AND defensive threat. Not saying that the Cavs would win this series with Wiggins, but Kevin Love (along with JR Smith, Kyrie, and....Lebron...hell the whole Cavs team) is getting murdered on defense. He cant guard anyone.
Wiggins is a star in the making and I think he could at least put some more pressure on the Warriors defense.
The entire Cavs team is soft. And if you think Love is actually a very good player, then you're crazy. Dude is one of the most overrated and weak players in the league. While kyrie is a good player, he is no leader. And then it goes to lebron. Lebron James is by far the biggest sissy superstar to ever play the game. He walks around like he deserves every call or get a lot of championships. Why anyone outside of Cleveland pulls for him is beyond me.
FFS, he hand picked this group. Went back to Cleveland to team up with Kyrie, they traded Wiggins to bring in Love. He went to bat for Thompson. He got Blatt fired for Lue.
A big problem is they have a ton sunk into Love and Thompson, and when it's crunch time, LeBron is playing the 4. He's trying to go down into the paint and battle the majority of the game.
Did you just wake up from a coma that began after the 2011 Finals? Maybe right before 2012 ECF against Boston?
He and MJ have this in common. They both suck at personnel evaluation.
My bad. 2. And yes, I'm serious. The one thing no one touches on when it comes to Lebron is does he make guys around him better. Jordan's drive to win made other guy's want to win just as bad. Pippen has talked about it Jordan's drive and intensity. Does Lebron have that? I'm not so sure. I know the guy wants to win but does he demand excellence from others. Does his drive make guys want to play better?
Would add tho.. True cavs didn't have love or Irvin last year. But the Warriors are much improved. So that's a wash. If this warriors team played that hobbled team last year, would have been murder.
That's exactly my point. He hand picked his supporting cast, and look how much they've been unable to step up to the plate in crunch time.
Lebron has simply put too much faith in other players who are incapable or unwilling to do what's necessary to step up. Therefore he needs to drop his ego and be willing to accept from people who know how to put a team together. Bottom line is this, I think he made a mistake in returning to Cleveland. Because Dan Gilbert is a buffoon and will not be able to make a difference.
Pat Riley has shown he knows what it takes to be able to build a winning team. If I were Lebron, I'd have stayed in Miami, if the goal was to win more rings.