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Aike

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It is not a warning. The NCAA rule clearly defines it as a class B technical foul and it never mentions the requirement of a warning beforehand. However, the direct rule states that the referee can choose to ignore it if it doesn't interfere with the play of the game. I just can't understand why that would be called in that situation.

  1. After a team warning has been issued, attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle had been blown.
 
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If the T was called with 6 minutes to go in the game, that's when you say "the T didn't beat us, we lost because of rebounding, or x or y or z."

But when that call happens with 9 seconds left in OT, and we win if it's not called - yeah, the T is what beat us.

It's fairly simple, you guys are making this harder than it is.
 

*Bleedingblue*

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I've been warned before on delay of game when we scored and I grabbed the rebound and let it bounce up the court. It was not a T. You have 1 warning then a T.
So it couldn't have been a delay of game on Humphries plus the foul called on him as a result.
Game stolen from our boys is what the call was. Pretty plain to see.

If we grabbed a bunch of boards in the first half we would of been up 15 points, maybe more. But even with the terrible first half rebounding performance we still lead by 1 at the half.

2nd half we fought and rebounded much better but we did not knock down shots and turned the ball over on several possessions. But I do believe we prob outrebounded them in the 2nd half. We did good on the boards in the second and we had the lead. It was the other things that caused us to drop this game. What was our shooting percentage at halftime? What was our % in the second?
 

Aike

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Anytime you play a close game, these crazy things can happen.

Not saying it wasn't ridiculous because it was but we did put ourself in that position

We put ourselves in the position to win and Adams essentially took that away.

If he makes that call in minute 1, we have 39 minutes to adjust and recover. At 10 seconds, your options and possibilities are severely limited.
 

Aike

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I've been warned before on delay of game when we scored and I grabbed the rebound and let it bounce up the court. It was not a T. You have 1 warning then a T.
So it couldn't have been a delay of game on Humphries plus the foul called on him as a result.
Game stolen from our boys is what the call was. Pretty plain to see.

If we grabbed a bunch of boards in the first half we would of been up 15 points, maybe more. But even with the terrible first half rebounding performance we still lead by 1 at the half.

2nd half we fought and rebounded much better but we did not knock down shots and turned the ball over on several possessions. But I do believe we prob outrebounded them in the 2nd half. We did good on the boards in the second and we had the lead. It was the other things that caused us to drop this game. What was our shooting percentage at halftime? What was our % in the second?

A delay of game T does not count as a personal foul.
 
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If the T was called with 6 minutes to go in the game, that's when you say "the T didn't beat us, we lost because of rebounding, or x or y or z."

But when that call happens with 9 seconds left in OT, and we win if it's not called - yeah, the T is what beat us.

It's fairly simple, you guys are making this harder than it is.

Why does it matter when the T was called ?

Heck if anything that just makes the argument of it being x y and z even more so.

If Lee makes free throws.
If we rebound.

That game Never even goes into OT
 

Xception

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I keep hearing all this talk about "the rule" Have yet to hear what "the rule" actually is.
A South Carolina player got a T for knocking the ball out of Briscoes hands after a play , that's not specifically in the rule book . I do t know why you think it needs to be worded exact for it to be called a T when unsportsmanlike behavior is generally covered . Refs have the ability to make a judgement call and we have all witnessed throwing or slamming a ball called . It was a dumb play and a justifiable T
 
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  1. After a team warning has been issued, attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle had been blown.

I would post the section of the NCAA rule book that I am referring to, but in order to get all pertinent info i would have to post the entire section, and it is too long and boring, but in case you are interested it is Rule 10, section 4, article 2, subsection H. But, if you go to Appendix 4 it does say that it should count as a technical foul against the player but not count as a personal foul, as you mentioned.
 

kyjeff1

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Ummm, we still would likely have won the game is Skal had hit his second free throw. Sad about Hump but that didn't cost us the game.
If Skal hits the second free throw we are up 1. The bucket A&M hit counts as 2 points.
 
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I mean that's like going 9 for 10 on the free throw line, losing a game by one and blaming the last second missed FT on the loss.

its never about one play.
 
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Ugoff

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A South Carolina player got a T for knocking the ball out of Briscoes hands after a play , that's not specifically in the rule book . I do t know why you think it needs to be worded exact for it to be called a T when unsportsmanlike behavior is generally covered . Refs have the ability to make a judgement call and we have all witnessed throwing or slamming a ball called . It was a dumb play and a justifiable T
That's one of those "you don't call it in that situation unless you are a complete dickhead" deals. Do you call a guy for hanging on the rim when he makes a winning dunk. No. BTW, shut up and tell me THE RULE
 

Aike

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Why does it matter when the T was called ?

Heck if anything that just makes the argument of it being x y and z even more so.

If Lee makes free throws.
If we rebound.

That game Never even goes into OT

It matters because teams adjust throughout the game based on previous action.

With 10 seconds left, your opportunity to make adjustments and corrections is severely limited.
 
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And at the end of the game the A&M coach mentioned that he didn't feel they should have called a T on Hump but felt they also shouldn't have called one on him as well.

So maybe it went both ways.
 
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It matters because teams adjust throughout the game based on previous action.

With 10 seconds left, your opportunity to make adjustments and corrections is severely limited.

Why not? After the T was called. Even after they make the free throws we still had a chance. Skal didn't have to miss that FT. And we didn't have to give up an offensive board and put back.

Even after that T we had a chance
 

kyjeff1

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Lost in all of this is the ball that Hump threw down bounced nicely into the hands of a nearby referee. I could understand the T if the ball went into the stands but it went right to a ref.
 

Xception

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That's one of those "you don't call it in that situation unless you are a complete dickhead" deals. Do you call a guy for hanging on the rim when he makes a winning dunk. No. BTW, shut up and tell me THE RULE
I've already explained it but you don't like that answer because it messes up your agenda , shut up and address how they called a T on the usc player without that being specifically in the rule . Humpries made a selfish play and got called for it .
 
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Yeah but you know something. Given Humphries reaction right after he did it, he knew the possibility of that being called a T.

It's a BS call.

It is what it is tho.

Issac obviously feels awful about it. Just have to move on and win our next game
 

Supreme Lord Z

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Lost in all of this is the ball that Hump threw down bounced nicely into the hands of a nearby referee. I could understand the T if the ball went into the stands but it went right to a ref.
The other team wasn't waiting to inbound the ball. Everyone was walking down the court for UK to shoot freethrows. What are the refs saying, that we were icing our own freethrow shooter by delaying the game? Idiotic.
 

Ugoff

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I've already explained it but you don't like that answer because it messes up your agenda , shut up and address how they called a T on the usc player without that being specifically in the rule . Humpries made a selfish play and got called for it .
Why are you deflecting and talking about the USC tech. No one here is defending that. Growing a beard here waiting for you to cite THE RULE
 
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big.cats

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If you look at the box score over all it came out petty even the technical cost the game bottom line say what you want to
 

Aike

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Why not? After the T was called. Even after they make the free throws we still had a chance. Skal didn't have to miss that FT. And we didn't have to give up an offensive board and weput back.

Even after that T we had a chance

Yes, we had a chance.

But we went from a sure 1, 2, or 3 point lead - to a tie game.

Listen, I'm not in the mood for one of your hair splitting, nickel and dime arguments.

Pick your battles.
 

Xception

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Why are you deflecting and talking about the USC tech. No one here is defending that. Growing a beard here waiting for you to cite THE RULE
Yea I destroyed your argument , not surprised you are avoiding it . They don't put every single circumstance in the rule book , they're covered under unsportsmanlike conduct , delay of game etc.... Since when did anybody ever use the logic you are trying to apply here ? Like never . What if a player broke down into to a dance , well according to you there is not a specific rule prohibiting dancing so that would be ok . See how faulty that type of logic is ? They would call a T on him for that .
 
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Yes, we had a chance.

But we went from a sure 1, 2, or 3 point lead - to a tie game.

Listen, I'm not in the mood for one of your hair splitting, nickel and dime arguments.

Pick your battles.

Right and if we did the things that we should have done that game doesn't go into OT.

I'm sure Cal isn't telling the players right now we lost because of a bogus call. He's telling them what he told them the entire first half. That we'd lose if we didn't start rebounding. The 2nd half was better but still not good enough.

It's understood tho. We are missing poy. Then Willis goes out and it's gonna be tough.
 
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Ugoff

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Yea I destroyed your argument , not surprised you are avoiding it . They don't put every single circumstance in the rule book , they're covered under unsportsmanlike conduct , delay of game etc.... Since when did anybody ever use the logic you are trying to apply here ? Like never . What if a player broke down into to a dance , well according to you there is not a specific rule prohibiting dancing so that would be ok . See how faulty that type of logic is ? They would call a T on him for that .
OK, now we're getting somewhere...

1. Cite THE RULE
or
2. STFU
 

BBBLazing

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No he is not right. In that case it's up the the refs discretion. It had no effect whatsoever on the game and should not have been called IMO.
not in your opinion, in your discretion, right? I hate the call as much as anyone, but it was in the ref's discretion. Isaac and Tyler both knew it as soon as it happened that is was a bad mistake. Watch the video. I wouldn't have called it, but it was a violation within the ref's discretion to call. We have to quit whining and wonder why Lee missed the free throw.
 

Xception

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OK, now we're getting somewhere...

1. Cite THE RULE
or
2 STFU
Thus is what I have broken you down to , you can't even formulate a rebuttal . You already have a mouthful , no need for you to stfu .
 

fatguy87

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Sure the call sucks, but the result going forward is encouraging.

We had a chance to win on the road against a good team despite injuries to key players, Poy and Willis, and we seem to have found a solid front court contributor in Humphries. I'm excited about this team's potential in March.
 
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Sure the call sucks, but the result going forward is encouraging.

We had a chance to win on the road against a good team despite injuries to key players, Poy and Willis, and we seem to have found a solid front court contributor in Humphries. I'm excited about this team's potential in March.


It's good but we do have to get healthy.

This team at full strength is gonna be a tough out in March.

But the thought of having to play the next few without Willis and Poy is gonna be rough