KY failed to adjust to officiating...

[Katwatcher]

They revert back because there is zero accountability for them. If the rest of us fail at our jobs we are held accountable for it. These guys can make multiple mistakes and the very next week they are calling a big game. Until the NCAA decide to hold them accountable it's always going to be the same way. Start off with freedom of movement end with hand and hip checks.

I thought the game was officiated very well. Saying that they can make multiple mistakes is just your opinion. The refs are held accountable by being rated every game.

 

[kyjeff1]

What the refs need to do is call fouls when they occur, which in this case, was seemingly multiple times a possession for OSU. Instead, refs influence themselves to not destroy the game with foul calls every possession (even when justified). This is what UofL has counted on for years. Foul every possession, roll with the 5-7 you get called for in the first 8 minutes and then benefit because officials are spineless little bitches that will endeavor to even up the calls over the remainder of the half.

Pointing to the foul count and saying the officiating was fair or even favored us is complete dumbassery. Would it have won us the game? Who knows, but they would have had to adjust or foul out every player within 10 minutes. Instead, OSU probably scored 30-35 points off of what under the rules of the sport would be considered gaining an illegal advantage.

I can't recall one single call that was a head scratcher. I knew they were going to get Ulis for the Intentional/Flagrant as soon as he did what he did. I also saw the refs call fouls on OSU on three straight possessions when they had clean blocks. I mean Poythress got absolutely stuffed on 2 of those, all ball too but they called a foul on OSU both times.
Our fans just need to give it a rest, every loss is always the refs fault. You can't pin this one on the refs man, no way. You look bad trying to do it.

 

[wildcatdon]

There were a lot of illegal screens set by Ohio State that were never called..I gave up on the walks these clowns missed after about 22 of them..It is ridiculous to allow these players in college to switch pivot feet every time they catch a pass. And if you go back and watch the game closely, every time Ohio State started that weave out front, the guy that was handing the ball off would pick up his dribble and take two steps before handing the ball to a teammate..That is walking friends and it was never called..But after all of that **** we still should have won the game..Cal should have given Humphries a chance. He played the kid against Duke for crying out loud and he did great.

 

[ClockCalamity]

Bev, I gotta disagree with you on this one. I am not going to go off on officiating but OSU played a physical game and when have you ever seen a men's bball game with that many held balls? I've seen that happen in the women's game but never in a men's game, that I can recall. Poy got banged under the boards and there was no call on a few of those.

OSU had a gameplan to be physical and that often works against a Freshman team. We've seen it a lot over the past several seasons. OSU was the better team. But, I would love to have a rematch in March.

And that is exactly what UofBrothel will do!!

 

[KyFaninNC]

Refs suck when we win threads= Refs suck when we lose threads. Some are just obsessed with the refs, I guess.

 

[Blue Decade]

Cats had many rebounds that they ultimately lost, and were recovered by OSU for easy baskets...Several times CATS had the ball only to be hacked/stripped by OSU.. KY never responded with the same kind of the physicality. KY usually tries to play FOUL free..and that cost them today.

It is true that Kentucky isn't a very physical basketball team right now. That's why we lost yesterday. But that isn't an officiating issue. It is a roster issue and an experience issue. You want our freshmen and sophomores to adjust to the officials? What kind of babbling BS is that?

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

This guy needs to learn to read for sure. NOBODY NOWHERE said we lost because of the refs...................NOBODY said that, NOBODY. NOT ONE person said that in the whole thread. You got that????????? Again NOBODY said it. If you think someone did, then reread what they wrote.

Thanks for saving me a long winded post. He seems to have reading comprehension issues. The OP made it quite clear that OUR inability to respond and react to the officiating was the problem.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Katwatcher there is no accountability for them. They are not rated because they can make multiple errors (missed walks, illegal screens, and hand checks) and they are still doing the prime time games. They are not the reason we lost. This all across basketball by the way. Don't sit here and tell us your are going to call freedom of movement then a month a half in scrap it. I'm sick and tired of the Roger Ayers and Doug Sirmons of the world ruining college basketball. Also the number of fouls don't tell the real story. It's when they occur. Momentum killers. Are you one of those guys that believe the officials are above reproach and shouldn't be criticized?

 

[jc2010]

I for one liked the way the game was called today. I can not stand to watch a game when the whistle is blown every five seconds.

If a foul is committed every five seconds a foul should be called every five seconds. The players will adjust and quit fouling

 

[kyjeff1]

This guy needs to learn to read for sure. NOBODY NOWHERE said we lost because of the refs...................NOBODY said that, NOBODY. NOT ONE person said that in the whole thread. You got that????????? Again NOBODY said it. If you think someone did, then reread what they wrote.

LOL, you need to re-read this thread and several others.
You're like Leslie Nielsen in The Naked Gun : "NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG", meanwhile explosions are going off all over the place.

 

[kyjeff1]

Thanks for saving me a long winded post. He seems to have reading comprehension issues. The OP made it quite clear that OUR inability to respond and react to the officiating was the problem.

I wasn't responding to the OP.

 

[Aike]

Officiating in college basketball is terrible. Probably the worst of any sport. If I weren't a huge Kentucky fan, it would be enough to make me stop watching entirely.

We call a bettter game calling our own fouls at the gym than you will get in your typical college game. And I'm not joking even a little bit.

 

[Katwatcher]

Katwatcher there is no accountability for them. They are not rated because they can make multiple errors (missed walks, illegal screens, and hand checks) and they are still doing the prime time games. They are not the reason we lost. This all across basketball by the way. Don't sit here and tell us your are going to call freedom of movement then a month a half in scrap it. I'm sick and tired of the Roger Ayers and Doug Sirmons of the world ruining college basketball. Also the number of fouls don't tell the real story. It's when they occur. Momentum killers. Are you one of those guys that believe the officials are above reproach and shouldn't be criticized?

UKWILDCAT2004. the majority of calls in basketball are judgement calls. There is always fans that gripe about the touch fouls and others complain about being pushed around and hacked. For example I have sat beside two fans that disagreed with certain calls, both seeing it entirely different from the same angle.

We will never have officials that call things the same way all the time because all are human. In my opinion the Ohio State game was called as it should be. They let them play but did not let it get out of hand.

The officials certainly does not have anything to do with the timing of the calls that are momentum changers I don't know who you can blame for that, I am one of those guys that can say it is a very hard sport to officiate, its a fast paced game with big guys that are quick and agile in a so-called non contact sport.

I think every basketball fan should have the opportunity to referee at least one game that has some meaning whether it be middle school or college. I believe it would change your attitude very quickly.

You can disagree about whether they are rated every game or not, but if they were not doing an adequate job they would not be calling the games and I doubt that they will ask for your opinion or mine. jmho

 

[preacherfan]

We will never have officials that call things the same way all the time because all are human. In my opinion the Ohio State game was called as it should be. They let them play but did not let it get out of hand.

You can disagree about whether they are rated every game or not, but if they were not doing an adequate job they would not be calling the games and I doubt that they will ask for your opinion or mine. jmho

2 Points: First, we all know the well-publicized points of emphasis this year that have been followed in every game until yesterday. Do you think the refs have the freedom to determine what will and will not be called? That is a serious question, btw.

Second, rating the refs is a complete joke. The referee system is the good ol boy network. When Gerald Boudreaux defended two different calls on similar plays and contradicted himself in the process, I knew that either the supervisor was incompetent or unwilling to admit that one of the SEC refs made a mistake. (I am referring to an intentional foul called on Jasper who was going for the ball and then a common foul called on a Georgia player for hitting Bradley from behind and knocking him into the stands.)

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Katwatcher your are exactly as I thought you were. We do not dare question any official's action. I've had the opportunity to referee and umpire maybe not on the scale you requested me to do but I have. Timing of the calls absolutely have a bearing on games. Your foolish to think otherwise. If your are a paid official which they (going to go ahead and beat you to this point but we all know they have other jobs) there are certain calls you don't miss period. Maybe if the NCAA made them full time employees they could reprimand them over sub par jobs.

 

[preacherfan]

Katwatcher your are exactly as I thought you were. We do not dare question any official's action. I've had the opportunity to referee and umpire maybe not on the scale you requested me to do but I have. Timing of the calls absolutely have a bearing on games. Your foolish to think otherwise. If your are a paid official which they (going to go ahead and beat you to this point but we all know they have other jobs) there are certain calls you don't miss period. Maybe if the NCAA made them full time employees they could reprimand them over sub par jobs.

I think Hess, who is a clinical psychologist, makes over $100K doing games per year. What would they get paid to make them full time?

 

[ageit]

Get ready for pack and hack every game. Pack the middle likely with 2-3 zone and hack at every rebounder. Works well against our team and has exposed our lack of toughness. Correctable as far as we can get more toughness and I hope we work on it this week as I expect we will see a heavy dose this coming Saturday.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Preacher I think because the NCAA doesn't provide benefits to them makes them part time. I may be wrong though.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

I wasn't responding to the OP.

Really? Then who were you responding to? Because, I can't see where any poster prior to your first comment, said anything remotely close to what you implied. If you want to make a strawman antagonist and proceed to argue against it, have at it. But I must say, it's a bit strange.

 

[Katwatcher]

2 Points: First, we all know the well-publicized points of emphasis this year that have been followed in every game until yesterday. Do you think the refs have the freedom to determine what will and will not be called? That is a serious question, btw.

Second, rating the refs is a complete joke. The referee system is the good ol boy network. When Gerald Boudreaux defended two different calls on similar plays and contradicted himself in the process, I knew that either the supervisor was incompetent or unwilling to admit that one of the SEC refs made a mistake. (I am referring to an intentional foul called on Jasper who was going for the ball and then a common foul called on a Georgia player for hitting Bradley from behind and knocking him into the stands.)

preacherfan we could argue about the officiating til we both were turning blue. lol To answer your question, no I don't think the refs have the freedom to determine what will be called or not called. However they do have guidelines to follow on what they do call.

I'm sure you can go back10-20 years and point out games that had a bad call involved, but like I said that will not change as long as humans are officiating the games.

I disagree with calls I see on television quite frequently, even after seeing it in slow motion, but I don't consider it being incompetent if there is only1 or 2 {In my opinion missed calls}

If you think the rating system is not the best way to handle it, what is your suggestion that would fix the problem.

 

[kybassfan]

Long long ago in a Kentucky town far far away, back when I used to play basketball, I treated refs like they were the scum of the earth. Dogged them in games. Was good for at least one technical a game. My beloved coach taught me a lesson I will never forget.

He got me out of class for a full day. I reffed PE classes ALL DAY. It was horrible. The job was impossible. Girls games are the worst. They have no mercy. I have never bitched about a ref since, save a call or two.

If you think you can do better. You are wrong. If you think the job is easy, you are wrong. If you think the ref is biased, you are wrong. If you think any ref should be infallible you are wrong. If you think a game won't be influenced by a ref, you are wrong because it is unavoidable. They are part of the game. Get over yourself.

The job is horrible. Don't whine till you've walked a day in their shoes. I have. It sucked.

 

[preacherfan]

no I don't think the refs have the freedom to determine what will be called or not called. However they do have guidelines to follow on what they do call.

I'm sure you can go back10-20 years and point out games that had a bad call involved, but like I said that will not change as long as humans are officiating the games.

If you think the rating system is not the best way to handle it, what is your suggestion that would fix the problem.

We agree on your first paragraph. That is my basic contention about the game. The refs decided to violate the guidelines and call it differently. Yet, there is no accountability that we know of.

As to your second paragraph, my point was that the supervisor of officiating is "one of the boys" and isn't going to make one of his officials look bad if he can weasel out of it. Bad calls are part of the game but I expect the supervisor to explain it correctly and not contradict himself.

As to your third paragraph, I have no suggestions. I just know the current system is a joke. That might make a good thread discussion.

 

[MOX_MOX]

Iu borden lost it when I and others wanted press conferences for refs. "Why should they have to explain things to people who do not understand refereeing!"

"If you think the ref is biased, you are wrong." So you think it is impossible that a ref might have a negative preconceived opinion about cal, ky basketball, and ky fans? Are they robots?

refs having to speak to the media after the game where they would have to explain controversial calls would make me feel better about Ayers doing any of our games.

 

[Aike]

Iu borden lost it when I and others wanted press conferences for refs. "Why should they have to explain things to people who do not understand refereeing!"

"If you think the ref is biased, you are wrong." So you think it is impossible that a ref might have a negative preconceived opinion about cal, ky basketball, and ky fans? Are they robots?

refs having to speak to the media after the game where they would have to explain controversial calls would make me feel better about Ayers doing any of our games.

I would pay ppv to watch the mandatory ref press conference. 10 minutes of squirming would be nice. Should let the coaches and players ask the questions.

 

[Spanish Radio]

Preacher I think because the NCAA doesn't provide benefits to them makes them part time. I may be wrong though.

The referees are employed by the conferences during the regular season

 

[wildcatdon]

Good point Aike.. Uk games are the only ones I watch anymore .. To me college basketball has been unwatchable for many years..So I Don't.

 

[Chuckinden]

I officiated high school for over 20 yrs and I knew a few officials that worked D-1 college games. The Hampton family that officiates in the SEC are long time acquaintances.

Officials are human and different. I worked with one really good official, but he was really biased sometimes. I refused to work with him after a few years. As Katwatcher said, judgement calls are hard to make at the blink of an eye. What really pisses me off about an official are "make up" calls and assuming a foul underneath before the play is even finished.

Officials are graded, but unless it's a flagrant or a significant amount of bad calls, the season schedule won't change for the official. Where the grades come into play is when the supervisors start assigning tournament games. Theoretically, only the highest rated officials gets the higher rated games, although in HS, it could come down to how big of a buddy you are with the assigning secretary. I'm sure it happens, to some extent, at every level.

Now having said all that, I still yell at the officials through the TV when I think they screw up.

 

[kybassfan]

Iu borden lost it when I and others wanted press conferences for refs. "Why should they have to explain things to people who do not understand refereeing!"

"If you think the ref is biased, you are wrong." So you think it is impossible that a ref might have a negative preconceived opinion about cal, ky basketball, and ky fans? Are they robots?

refs having to speak to the media after the game where they would have to explain controversial calls would make me feel better about Ayers doing any of our games.

Oh yeah, do a press conference. After all, those viewers would be completely unbiased. Great idea Forest.

Yeah, a biased ref is possible. Asteroids could strike the earth. Lightning can strike. Your point?

Refs make mistakes. Period. Part of the game. Get over it.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Kybassfan I assume you believe they should never be questioned about anything? I have always said you should never play a game close enough where one call makes a difference. I also think that they are not above being accountable for their actions.
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[Spanish Radio]

Officiating is a club. They all know it is very hard so they back each other no matter what happens.

Karl Hess and the ACC referees a few years ago:
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/35144201

 

[kybassfan]

Kybassfan I assume you believe they should never be questioned about anything? I have always said you should never play a game close enough where one call makes a difference. I also think that they are not above being accountable for their actions.
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Questioned to what end? They will make mistakes. Any moron knows that. They can't correct a mistake after the fact. Just what do you think interrogation of a ref would accomplish? A public hearing after each game would be pointless exercise.

How are going to hold them accountable in a meaningful way? Execution? Jailtime? Fines? In today's whiney PC world, accountability is 15 minutes on the Dr Phil show.

You want to make it better? Spend several million on AI based simulators for them to practice. You have the funds for this, I assume?

I don't really believe its accountability you want. You want a pound of flesh. In the same game, the other team wants their piece of the refs too, cause they are just as sure they got screwed same as you.

Officiating is part of the game. It is not perfect. It will never be perfect. You gave three choices. You can quit. You can whine. You can man up and play.

The third choice is the only opportunity to win.

 

[UKCAT5FAN]

Catphight Mulder missed a shot and Cal never put him back in. Cal is very anal and stubborn and needs to let some other guys play through mistakes. Mulder and Willis both need to play more. Ulis got abused today by bigger and quicker guards. Cal needs to make adjustments .

Mulder got pulled because he literally let his man go around him like he was standing still. Reminded me of James Young. The OSU kid just smacked him on the *** and said thank you, all before he even turned around. It was pretty bad and made me cringe. He is just a big liability in the defensive end, although I would like to see him play more to see if he can get in any rhythm. Also thought Willis should have played but I'm sure Cal has his reasons. Really interested to see what Wynyard can bring to this team. I'm not expecting much but hoping that I am pleasantly surprised with him. We could definitely use his skill set.

 

[Spanish Radio]

Questioned to what end? They will make mistakes. Any moron knows that. They can't correct a mistake after the fact. Just what do you think interrogation of a ref would accomplish? A public hearing after each game would be pointless exercise.

How are going to hold them accountable in a meaningful way? Execution? Jailtime? Fines? In today's whiney PC world, accountability is 15 minutes on the Dr Phil show.

You want to make it better? Spend several million on AI based simulators for them to practice. You have the funds for this, I assume?

I don't really believe its accountability you want. You want a pound of flesh. In the same game, the other team wants their piece of the refs too, cause they are just as sure they got screwed same as you.

Officiating is part of the game. It is not perfect. It will never be perfect. You gave three choices. You can quit. You can whine. You can man up and play.

The third choice is the only opportunity to win.

The refs should be employed by the NCAA and not the conferences. The ACC is a perfect example of a commissioner who is a dyed in the wool Tar Heel. The refs basically get paid by that guy. That situation does not make for good appearances.

 

[kybassfan]

Officiating is a club. They all know it is very hard so they back each other no matter what happens.

Karl Hess and the ACC referees a few years ago:
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/35144201

Great observation. When the Indians attack repeatedly, you can expect the settlers are going to circle wagons and build forts.

 

[kybassfan]

The refs should be employed by the NCAA and not the conferences. The ACC is a perfect example of a commissioner who is a dyed in the wool Tar Heel. The refs basically get paid by that guy. That situation does not make for good appearances.

I don't disagree with that premise at all. Centralized governance will go a long way toward standardization.

The only comment I would make is that the NCAA has displayed a great aptitude for mismanagement and incompetence. Great care would be required.

Personally, I would opt for a third party service or service(s). Let the NCAA make the contracts.

I still maintain that fans should not any must not play any role nor do they deserve any explanation. They are, understandably, the most biased people on the planet

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Kybassfan you must have some anger issues I assume. You act like if we question any call they make or let go is beyond reasonable. If officiating is so great and up to par why do we have intelligent individuals like Jay Bilas calling for more accountability and consistency from officials? Is he just moron like me as you pointed out.

 

[kybassfan]

Kybassfan you must have some anger issues I assume. You act like if we question any call they make or let go is beyond reasonable. If officiating is so great and up to par why do we have intelligent individuals like Jay Bilas calling for more accountability and consistency from officials? Is he just moron like me as you pointed out.

Well you just said two things and tried to make it look like one.

FANS have zero role in anything to do with officials. They officiate the game. We just watch. Period. End of story. No official should EVER be accountable to any fan EVER! No official owes any fan any explanation other than to make clear any specific call.

If you check my comments just a few up, you'll find that I advocate for accountability and oversight. Consequently your comment is nonsensical with respect to any position I have stated.

Anger issues? If that means that I don't agree with you, then yes, quite probably. However, I think what that really means is you object to my stating opinions rather emphatically. Guess you'll just have to deal with that.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

I'm just trying to have a logical conversation but your are the one that called me the moron. You also said if I thought I could do better that would be wrong. I never not once inferred that I could. Coaches, players, and fans (how dare I right?) all derserve explanations on certain calls but not every call. If you go to a game or watch it on TV you have supplied the NCAA with revenue so with that said you deserve an explanation on calls if you so chose. If you don't then don't watch the press conference just like you don't have to watch the coach or player ones.

 

[kybassfan]

I'm just trying to have a logical conversation but your are the one that called me the moron. You also said if I thought I could do better that would be wrong. I never not once inferred that I could. Coaches, players, and fans (how dare I right?) all derserve explanations on certain calls but not every call. If you go to a game or watch it on TV you have supplied the NCAA with revenue so with that said you deserve an explanation on calls if you so chose. If you don't then don't watch the press conference just like you don't have to watch the coach or player ones.

LOL. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were so important. These things are so difficult to infer from text.

Did you also take the Carly Simon song personally?

There is a big difference in coaches and players versus fans. Well, maybe not for you, but for us normal fans.

Last bit, I'd pay just a bit closer attention to your terms and conditions when it comes to your subscriber rights to programming. Not sure you have a good grasp of how that works.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

I'm pretty far from important and I am quite confident that I never said I was. The NCAA and conferences definitely get a cut from televised broadcasts just the same as ticket sales from games. Before you say it I never said officials cost us the game but our defense, inability to hit shots, and lack of physicality did among other things. The lack of consistency and accountability is destroying the game.