This wasn't on the refs!! We played horrible!! Our bigs are soft as cotton!! The only things that the refs didn't call all night (and was driving me crazy) was Alford pushing off our guards with his non dribbling hand. He should have fouled out early in the first. Did they get some call? Yep. But you have to expect that. This came was just us playing horrible!! Bottom line!! UCLA is not close to the basketball team as UK. If we play like we did tonight we have 3-4 losses right now. Weve only played 2 good games which is why Im worried.
Zebras got this one
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Oh and Cal was not outcoached!! You can only do so much with your team playing the way they were.
Refs had nothing to do with our effort tonight no matter how bad they might have been, can't be using them as an excuse, we just played a darn bad game and UCLA was at the top of their game. By the way, I hate it when posters say Cal got outcoached by Alford or whoever the coach might be that night. We lost, it happens, and I still wouldn't trade Cal for Alford ever.
It gets old when people use the refs as an excuse! If we would have drove to the basket in the first half the fouls would have been close to being equal. Kentucky just plain out stunk the first half and dug to deep of a hole to comeback! Maybe they will learn from this and improve. In the big picture,that's the objective. Be your best in March!
A starter goes out with an injury. Another starter hampered by his previous injury. Not rebounding. Not hitting shots. Bad night for the Cats.
That said, it was tough to watch Briscoe call out 2 shoves by Lil' Alford without getting a favorable whistle, before getting called for a bump on the drive.
That said, it was tough to watch Briscoe call out 2 shoves by Lil' Alford without getting a favorable whistle, before getting called for a bump on the drive.
The officials definitely didn't do us any favors, but we just got outplayed. My biggest complaint with the officiating is they let UCLA's guards push off all game. It was so obvious.
Refs weren't the only reason but when you add Lee going down early with Ulis not being 100% and his shooting being effected by his elbow....
In the end, UCLA played the game as if their tournament lives were on the line and we played like it was just an ordinary thursday.
In the end, UCLA played the game as if their tournament lives were on the line and we played like it was just an ordinary thursday.
This loss was definitely not the fault of the refs but I think Verne Harris is terrible! And we may want to hope we do not see him again - he has officiated our last 3 losses:
UConn 2014 Championship
Wisconsin 2015 Final Four
UCLA tonight
JB
UConn 2014 Championship
Wisconsin 2015 Final Four
UCLA tonight
JB
About 6 minutes into the 1st, ref called Briscoe out of bounds. He blew the whistle, then it was another 2 steps or so before he went out of bounds, because he was pushed. Then get a tie up call, when UCLA player has 1 hand on the ball.
UCLA took the fight to UK from the opening tip. They absolutely got punked byWelsh and Parker. That has nothing to do with the refs. That is all about want to. Refs are gonna miss calls every game. You still have to play. Bottom line, UK allowed a charmin soft UCLA team to bully them from tip to buzzer.
Did anyone mention the Briscoe lane violation at the end of the game yet? It was weird. One ref motioned for Briscoe to get into the block as the other ref gave the shooter the ball. Briscoe was still moving into position as the shot went up. There were no UCLA players on the block, and the same ref that motioned for Briscoe to go into the block whistled a lane violation.
The game was decided at that point, but Briscoe couldn't catch a break the whole game and that was a microcosm right there.
The game was decided at that point, but Briscoe couldn't catch a break the whole game and that was a microcosm right there.
In the last game UK was out scored from the field and shot 43 free throws compare to like 15 for the team you played. Did the zebras win that game for you?
Under the new rules you are going to get more fouls called and will not always go your way especially away from home.
Under the new rules you are going to get more fouls called and will not always go your way especially away from home.
Yes we played bad and got outplayed, yet nothing irks me more than those that act like if it's not possible for us to play bad AND get screwed by the refs!!!!! Saying we got screwed does NOT mean we're saying we outplayed them lol! There are many, many reasons we lose or win games. Refs might not of cost us the game, but they sure didn't help, and if we got the favorable whistle like they did ( which they did, and that doesn't mean we didn't play bad also ) instead of an evenly officiated game, it might of made the difference. Maybe not, but maybe!
Most critiqes of our performance are correct, but that still doesn't mean that they got serious home cook in. In just sick of close minded posters who think that it's impossible to play bad, and get screwed by the refs, as if it's impossible for both to happen!
Some people just aren't bright and get so mad when we play bad that they will only place all the blame on the players orcoach instead of all the things that went into our loss, luck included.
Most critiqes of our performance are correct, but that still doesn't mean that they got serious home cook in. In just sick of close minded posters who think that it's impossible to play bad, and get screwed by the refs, as if it's impossible for both to happen!
Some people just aren't bright and get so mad when we play bad that they will only place all the blame on the players orcoach instead of all the things that went into our loss, luck included.
While I agree that we played horrible and that is why we lost, your statement above is not quite that simple. UCLA's guards had there hands on us the entire night on the perimeter. Add that to the the fact that they stayed packed in all night and we really had no way of driving in. I thought both teams were very physical with their hands in the first half, but UCLA got called for very few of those fouls. That is my only problem with the officiating last night.
I came in here to say this. People act as if the officiating made no difference at all, but it clearly did. And I'm not saying we would have won if it had been called fairly, it's just frustrating to see so many calls obviously in favor of UCLA.
Their players following game plan and outplaying ours. Cal can tell them what to do and position them. the players gotta do it.
This game to me was old man ball. Their players just old manned our guys
FWIW, I knew it was going to be a long night early in the game when Tony Parker drove to the basket, then went out of his way to initiate contact and barge into either Poythress or Lee and a foul was called on UK.
Based on everything that the rules committee and head officials have been emphasizing prior to the season, this was clearly an offensive foul. The refs completely blew that call.
Granted, it wasn't the difference between UK winning or losing but officiating no doubt did play a huge role in this game. For anyone to act like it doesn't truly has their head in the sand.
Based on everything that the rules committee and head officials have been emphasizing prior to the season, this was clearly an offensive foul. The refs completely blew that call.
Granted, it wasn't the difference between UK winning or losing but officiating no doubt did play a huge role in this game. For anyone to act like it doesn't truly has their head in the sand.
Officiating was hot garbage last night. The sequence of Willis' 3 point play to cut it to 9 or 10 followed by Alfrod elbowing Briscoe and Briscoe being called for the foul was big. That's a massive momentum killer. They call it correctly and put their guy on the bench with #3 or #4 and then Briscoe hits at least 1 of 2 and they game could have changed. We get confidence and go on even a small 5-0 or 6-0 run after and it is a 1 possession game and then UCLA gets stressed.
Even though we played really bad and had injuries, the refs did play a part.
Above is a lot of maybes and what ifs, but it shows how 1 call can change everything and kill momentum.
Also, why do fat post players get away with shouldering their way to the rim. Parker elbowed and shouldered our guys 5-6 times before shooting. At some point that HAS to be an offensive foul. And then Alford got the typical white guard treatment.
Even though we played really bad and had injuries, the refs did play a part.
Above is a lot of maybes and what ifs, but it shows how 1 call can change everything and kill momentum.
Also, why do fat post players get away with shouldering their way to the rim. Parker elbowed and shouldered our guys 5-6 times before shooting. At some point that HAS to be an offensive foul. And then Alford got the typical white guard treatment.
Even the UCLA fans were calling BS on the fouls against UK. However , UK didn't grab rebounds and didn't expect UCLA to be as quick as they were. UCLA played a notch above UK last night. We weren't ready and played at a disadvantage without Lee and Alex and it comes down to that.
Yes, UCLA got some home cooking, but I didn't see ref's diving on the floor for loose balls for them! We just flat got out-hustled. If Lee stays in and Poy does anything, maybe we eke out a win but we might not have learned a valuable lesson.
Good answer ....we got our tails beat. Thats the bottom line, UCLA wont play a better game all year long.
Once I see the biggest violators in the country being called for the so-called rules changes then I will believe they exist... And if they are every member of your starting five should foul out the first half... Take this BS back to your board
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Basically, this replaced the UNCheat game, eh? Still felt just like we were playing in Chapel Hill, though.
Felt more like a typical away game at a blue blood. We've had how many of those since Cal has been here? Like 3? One of those was UNC in 2010..
I'm used to the treatment of Kentucky, being goliath and sooo NBA ready, that officials tend to let stuff go. It happens in all sports. Happens to Lebron, JJ Watt, etc. They equalize the game on us, nothing personal, it is what it is.
But man, I really hate the Home/Away foul discrepancy. Makes it such an uphill battle when we are in someone else's house. Officials should just grow a pair and call fouls right and stop worrying about the student section. Until then, I'll continue to wish that we play every game on Neutral court. haha.
I'm used to the treatment of Kentucky, being goliath and sooo NBA ready, that officials tend to let stuff go. It happens in all sports. Happens to Lebron, JJ Watt, etc. They equalize the game on us, nothing personal, it is what it is.
But man, I really hate the Home/Away foul discrepancy. Makes it such an uphill battle when we are in someone else's house. Officials should just grow a pair and call fouls right and stop worrying about the student section. Until then, I'll continue to wish that we play every game on Neutral court. haha.
UNCheat 2010--- After the game, I remember Cal saying: "Can't touch 44." Anytime the Cats breathed on Zeller, he went to the line for Ft's. Difference in the game.
@ SC with Devin Downey was another one of those. Refs had whistles ready to help as soon as he got the ball.
To be honest. Did the refs give us any breaks? No. Where they responsible for our play? Absolutely not. To solely blame the refs for the loss is dumb. However I will say I have never seen a more inconsistent year of officiating before. Could just be me.
UCLA played a great game, yes. Won't play that good for the rest of the season. It's not the fact that bad calls were made, it's when the bad calls were made. Every time UK gained momentum, there was a BS whistle. It should be obvious to anyone that watched the game. The fourth foul on both Briscoe and Poythress were horrible. They whistled Alex for #3 and #4 in about a ten second span very early in the second half causing Cal to have to sit him. I would have to watch the game again but there were several very bad calls at pivotal parts of the game. UCLA outlpayed us, but it's still a very different game without those momentum changing calls IMO. Losing Lee really hurt because Skal got manhandled all night long. Tyler not being 100% didn't help either.
Hey ville77 don't you have your own team to worry about? I think with Katina gate and everything else going on with your program our comments on the officials should be the least of your concerns.
Officiating was terrible, and we won't get the same respect in Rupp next year (will still beat UCLA though), but we played terrible as well. Even with fair officiating, we probably lose by 4-5 points.
The way the refs call a game has a huge impact on the way a player plays. They don't play defense because they think a foul will be called so they have to change the game plan. Poy isn't an aggressive player and he fouled out early in the second half, that was a huge game changer especially since Lee was already out of the game with an injury.