Coach cal

[mjj_2K]

WE have plenty of room for 2 big men and I think Cal would like to get 2 more if he could since Gabreil is SF . so Allen and Bolden ( Centers) have little to do with Bam and Giles ( PF ) . Still with all that being said most of us know we will end up with either Allen or Bolden as Bam and Giles probably made their minds up a long time ago. Still I love how Cal never gives up as once in a while you get a Randle situation where a kid goes the place you never expected.

I disagree. I seriously doubt Cal wants 2 more big guys.

You can't just keep adding guys until you have top 50 recruits battling it out for the 12th man spot on the roster. At a certain point, you have to pick who it is you want that's actually going to have a chance to play. If Cal could pull a miracle and get Giles, and close out the dream backcourt of Fox/Monk, we'd be looking at this roster:

Humphries
SKJ
Wynyard
Giles
Gabriel
Willis
Matthews
Mulder
Monk
Fox
Hawkins

And that's assuming Briscoe, Ulis and Lee leave after this year, which I don't think is a safe assumption right now (especially with Lee. My gut says Briscoe and Ulis go, but I have no idea what Lee will do). Are you really going to try and stuff another 5 star big guy in there? That kind of thing may seem great in theory, but eventually it will blow up in your face.

 

[Fitch44]

What was the drew franklin tweet saying

It was this huge piece of enlightening info...

Giles to duke.

Seriously, I
Laugh at that site sometimes.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

I don't really understand the "Made up a lot of ground" talk. Did the kid start off thinking "oh Ky sucks I'm not going there" to now he's thinking "ya know KY is cool but still not going there"? If the kid started out as a Duke lock and still looks that way, if seems to me you are in the same shape as you started in.

 

[BBUK_anon]

I don't really understand the "Made up a lot of ground" talk. Did the kid start off thinking "oh Ky sucks I'm not going there" to now he's thinking "ya know KY is cool but still not going there"? If the kid started out as a Duke lock and still looks that way, if seems to me you are in the same shape as you started in.

Oh what you said. True but it didn't sound nearly as colorful...(saying that, I trust in Cal.)

 

[Teachable Moe]

I don't really understand the "Made up a lot of ground" talk..

It's code. It means that all their information is made up.

 

[.S&C.]

You speak in a lot of absolutes; where is your info coming from? The internet?

The only absolute is coaches (even Cal) will recruit certain recruits knowing full well they/he probably won't land them. To me, this is one of those situations. It's called making in-roads, and this is a common practice in recruiting.

It's smart to be connected on the recruiting trail. You never know when another ace recruit is going to pop up at said school and it will be beneficial to already have a relationship with people connected to him.

No internet info.......common f'ing sense.

 

[RipThru]

lol. So your statements are based on your deductions from common sense? Gotcha. Purely opinion is another way to state that..

 

[.S&C.]

lol. So your statements are based on your deductions from common sense? Gotcha. Purely opinion is another way to state that..

What opinion are you talking about? Everything I said is pure fact, as coaches do this all the time. Hell, i've personally seen it coaching high school. I've seen it on the AAU trail(being there with no shot). Coaches recruit kids they know they probably wont get all the time to make in-roads to future situations. Do you want to recruit an area and know NONE of the staff, players, schools, etc? Do you think Cal wants to be in that position? There are also "other" very good reasons for certain schools to recruit top players knowing they wont get them. John Wall anyone?

I'm not stating a fact about getting him or not getting him, I'm just saying Cal will recruit players knowing he probably wont get them for good reasons. You obviously dont understand any of this, so just continue to carry around ignorant to it. I don't care either way.

The comment was for those that think Cal wouldn't "waste time" on a recruit. He has a huge budget, and YES he will.

 

[RalphDaltonFan]

Don't see why it's a waste of time for UK to stay on Giles. What do they lose? Kid has visited UK 3 times for BBM, he's told people his favorite HC is Calipari, so no reason to give up/throw in towel. Do I know where he's going? Not at all. But as an outsider, I think you go all in and if you come up short--it isn't for lack of effort or conceding a recruit the caliber of Giles. One thing UK can even sell him on is the fact that if he were to get injured again--they've got track record of still getting their guy in the Lottery (Noel, WCS,).

If I were a betting man--I'd bet Duke because of what I witnessed in person--he is very close with Tatum, and reminded me of the relationship between Okafor, Jones, and Winslow, but I'll say this--if he were to pull a "shock the world" announcement--it wouldn't be that shocking if you do math. Leaves local HS to go to Oak Hill Academy (albeit-my guess is that more Shoe Company driven as his old school is UA program and not for college choice--as much as Nike wants to get him done for NBA deal and keep him in fold), visited UK for Big Blue Madness 3 different years--including his official visit, UK had guys who were with him on Bahamas Trip Nike sponsored on their officials as well (Fox/Monk), along with Sacha Killeya Jones--who like Giles is a NC kid originally and is going to sign his LOI at same event Giles announces.

So if you want to look for any reason to pick UK-they are there. Enough to at least stay in fight.

 

[.S&C.]

Don't see why it's a waste of time for UK to stay on Giles. What do they lose? Kid has visited UK 3 times for BBM, he's told people his favorite HC is Calipari, so no reason to give up/throw in towel. Do I know where he's going? Not at all. But as an outsider, I think you go all in and if you come up short--it isn't for lack of effort or conceding a recruit the caliber of Giles. One thing UK can even sell him on is the fact that if he were to get injured again--they've got track record of still getting their guy in the Lottery (Noel, WCS,).

If I were a betting man--I'd bet Duke because of what I witnessed in person--he is very close with Tatum, and reminded me of the relationship between Okafor, Jones, and Winslow, but I'll say this--if he were to pull a "shock the world" announcement--it wouldn't be that shocking if you do math. Leaves local HS to go to Oak Hill Academy (albeit-my guess is that more Shoe Company driven as his old school is UA program and not for college choice--as much as Nike wants to get him done for NBA deal and keep him in fold), visited UK for Big Blue Madness 3 different years--including his official visit, UK had guys who were with him on Bahamas Trip Nike sponsored on their officials as well (Fox/Monk), along with Sacha Killeya Jones--who like Giles is a NC kid originally and is going to sign his LOI at same event Giles announces.

So if you want to look for any reason to pick UK-they are there. Enough to at least stay in fight.

I completely agree with this. Cal has been on this kid hard from the start. There's no reason to give it up.

I don't think these coaches "waste time" when they don't get them necessarily, I think it's money well spent on relationships and connections. The "waste time" comment was meant for the purposes of actually landing the recruit, not the recruitment itself.

But we've seen weirder things happen, I agree. I jsut think in the end he's Duke bound. We'll see.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Cal knows he is the only coach in the nation capable of plucking a ratface recruit out of carolina.

 

[true-blue1]

In recruiting nothing is a guarantee. I think UK has got as good of chance as Duke or Wake Forest. My opinion I think we land Giles.

 

[Jkwo_rivals113955]

I'm not putting my eggs in the Giles basket, but it is hilarious to me to watch people speak like a wise guru on the mountaintop when their info comes from the same internet rumor mill and prima facie assertions as the rest of us.

The common perception on the internet is that he's headed to Duke? Thanks so much for your insight! Where can I send the check to receive my prayer beads?

 

[RipThru]

I still think he's Duke bound and always has been.

There's one opinion. The fact is you don't know any more or any less than any other poster on this board. I saw these same comments, albeit not necessairily from you, about Jones, Murray, and others.
And I don't think you have any idea what coaches "know" or don't know.

 

[Born and Raised Big Blue]

What did Matt jones say today on the show?

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

There's one opinion. The fact is you don't know any more or any less than any other poster on this board. I saw these same comments, albeit not necessairily from you, about Jones, Murray, and others.
And I don't think you have any idea what coaches "know" or don't know.

True, Murray was considered by the so-called experts a veritable lock for Oregon.

Then cometh Cal. [winking]

 

[CarolinaCat11]

What did Matt jones say today on the show?

Nothing groundbreaking. Essentially that Coach Cal hasn't given up on Giles -- and won't go down without a fight. Said his pick is still Duke -- but "you never know."

 

[Marylandis1]

Giles grew up in Winston Salem and loves it there. He feels a kinship with Danny Manning and sees a lot of himself in Danny. He also likes the fact that he can be "the man" at Wake and wants to follow in the footsteps trodden by Tim Duncan. He also wants to be the guy responsible for returning the Deamon Deacons to the final four. For these reasons, he will announce his commitment to Wake in two weeks.

BTW, he injured his knee again last night. Hope it isn't serious.

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

Giles grew up in Winston Salem and loves it there. He feels a kinship with Danny Manning and sees a lot of himself in Danny. He also likes the fact that he can be "the man" at Wake and wants to follow in the footsteps trodden by Tim Duncan. He also wants to be the guy responsible for returning the Deamon Deacons to the final four. For these reasons, he will announce his commitment to Wake in two weeks.

BTW, he injured his knee again last night. Hope it isn't serious.

Well better Wake, who will not be relevant any time soon, than Duke.

 

[Shawn (uk7spd)]

Giles grew up in Winston Salem and loves it there. He feels a kinship with Danny Manning and sees a lot of himself in Danny. He also likes the fact that he can be "the man" at Wake and wants to follow in the footsteps trodden by Tim Duncan. He also wants to be the guy responsible for returning the Deamon Deacons to the final four. For these reasons, he will announce his commitment to Wake in two weeks.

BTW, he injured his knee again last night. Hope it isn't serious.

I can definitely see this happening. It would also make it easier to let down Duke and Coach K because he would be picking his home school and he would not be picking Kentucky, which would piss off K and Duke fans.

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

I can definitely see this happening. It would also make it easier to let down Duke and Coach K because he would be picking his home school and he would not be picking Kentucky, which would piss off K and Duke fans.

Why would he worry about pissing off Duke fans? At UK he wouldn't even have to visit Cameron.

 

[Shawn (uk7spd)]

Why would he worry about pissing off Duke fans? At UK he wouldn't even have to visit Cameron.

Because I think there has been a long-time connection there, as evidenced by the feeling by many that he would go there. But I think the bigger concern is Coach K, not Duke fans. For some kids, especially kids like Giles, I think letting down certain coaches definitely plays a role in their decision. I can totally understand why it would be hard for Giles to tell K he is not coming, if that comes to fruition.

 

[Cats192]

I think I speak for everyone when I say--just about everyone would still pick Duke. But it's not the lock everyone is saying either.

Those of you acting like some of the others are idiots for not saying he's going to Duke, let's talk about other kids--Terrance Jones committed to another school and then came. We have SOME degree of chance with Giles.

 

[.S&C.]

There's one opinion. The fact is you don't know any more or any less than any other poster on this board. I saw these same comments, albeit not necessairily from you, about Jones, Murray, and others.
And I don't think you have any idea what coaches "know" or don't know.

lol.....yea mmkay...

I think my use of the words "I think" pretty much sum up that part of it champ, so lets not act like you found something. Everything I stated about coaches recruiting players they don't necessarily think they are going to get is a fact. Where I work we have multiple D1 athletes yearly, and we see this every. single. year. There are plenty of situations where coaches recruit a kids based on multiple angles.

Again, you are moving the goal post, and everything you are saying is now a red herring. I never claimed to know more than anyone. Actually, everyone can read back and see where you are totally out of line at this point.

Oh and yea sure..... no one understands the simple aspects of recruiting in college. There is no such thing as a coach recruiting a player with the intentions of making in-roads with the staff or family, or maybe another recruit from a future class.

Not that this necessarily applies to Giles, but my comment (again for you) was directed at those who claim coaches will not recruit a player "fully aware" that he probably won't get him. This is why we have an enormous recruiting budget.

Now run along you're annoying me, and I think we both know you're trying to make this something it never was.

 

[.S&C.]

Why would he worry about pissing off Duke fans? At UK he wouldn't even have to visit Cameron.

Because they are super scary in person....

 

[Spanish Radio]

Good ball player if he comes to UK that would be great. If he goes to Duke I will watch him play in the late rounds of tournament if they make it that far and if they play UK I will obviously root against him and his team.

If he goes to Duke he will get to take advantage of the Duke officiating. He can develop his chicken wing like their last star.

 

[Aike]

Another reason to stay engaged with a recruit like Giles is to make the competition keep working.

 

[RipThru]

What a moron. Lol. I did not realize you are "the man". You said it was based in fact and now it's "I think". You're special aren't ya?

lol.....yea mmkay...

I think my use of the words "I think" pretty much sum up that part of it champ, so lets not act like you found something. Everything I stated about coaches recruiting players they don't necessarily think they are going to get is a fact. Where I work we have multiple D1 athletes yearly, and we see this every. single. year. There are plenty of situations where coaches recruit a kids based on multiple angles.

Again, you are moving the goal post, and everything you are saying is now a red herring. I never claimed to know more than anyone. Actually, everyone can read back and see where you are totally out of line at this point.

Oh and yea sure..... no one understands the simple aspects of recruiting in college. There is no such thing as a coach recruiting a player with the intentions of making in-roads with the staff or family, or maybe another recruit from a future class.

Not that this necessarily applies to Giles, but my comment (again for you) was directed at those who claim coaches will not recruit a player "fully aware" that he probably won't get him. This is why we have an enormous recruiting budget.

Now run along you're annoying me, and I think we both know you're trying to make this something it never was.

 

[Kybluedude]

I am sure Mr Giles was all in favor of CC visiting and that says it all to me. UK is in it. How could a young guy like him watch the NBA and not think of Cal getting him where he wants/ needs to be.

 

[buckkiller]

But but but he is a Puke lock why is he wasting his time! WAT ARE YOU DOING CAL!!

 

[RipThru]

See the S & C post... He will clear it all up for ya cause he knows a bunch of D1 athletes! He's a Duke lock, but Cal doesn't have anything better to do.

 

[.S&C.]

See the S & C post... He will clear it all up for ya cause he knows a bunch of D1 athletes! He's a Duke lock, but Cal doesn't have anything better to do.

what an idiot.

I tried to give ya a shot, but you're completely incapable. ignored.

 

[RipThru]

No... you're the idiot. You say coaches continue to recruit players to make inroads with the family or the staff...unless Giles has a brother I haven't heard about that makes no sense. And Giles goes to Oak Hill...I guess he and Coach Cal just met so Cal needs to stay on his good side. Ridiculous. You'd have folks to believe you know a lot more than you actually do. Happens all the time on message boards. You got called out over your bull$hittery and can't stand it.

 

[Bigkyfan88]

Because nothing is gaurentees when it comes to recruiting, and its just classy to stay supportive through out the entire process and not be one of those coaches that pulls the offer just cuz he know he aknt getting them

 

[Montana81]

Cal could have been there to see any number of recruits. It's not like Giles is the only talented player on Oak Hill's roster. They always have multiple high D1 talents.

Not only that but I believe Cal watches a lot of these kids just to put together a scouting report on them just as much as he does to actually recruit them.

Also, Cal seems like a great sport about recruiting as well. I mean why shouldn't he be? He gets more than his share. I think sometimes he goes out of his way to preserve the suspense for some of these kids even if he knows the kid is going elsewhere. Notice even the kids that turn him down always have nothing but nice things to say about him afterwords. Probably a reputation he'd like to keep.

 

[buckkiller]

Hey dumbssses! Cal wouldnt be wasting KENTUCKYS money if he was a Puke lock!!! GTFO!!!!

 

[buckkiller]

I have a strong feeling that Giles has told coach Cal that he is going to Duke or will most likely pick Duke. That's why Drew Franklin is saying Giles to Duke is a done deal and also why Cal as just started to recruit Allen heavily. I think Coach Cal is just being supportive in case he changes his mind and because it's never truely a done deal until the player announces where he will play. Heck the chrystall ball has Duke at a 94% and Wake at a 6% and doesn't even list UK so why are people on this board even considering its a possibility?

DUDE! CAL is at his game and it is not for support its to try and win this recruiting battle! Its Cal man really! He is wanting Giles very bad!! I dont care what crystal balls say or whatever media guy says, or some posters say! Its Cal he coachs Kentucky the greatest program of all time. I dont understand some peoples mentality.

 

[brianpoe]

Because nothing is gaurentees when it comes to recruiting, and its just classy to stay supportive through out the entire process and not be one of those coaches that pulls the offer just cuz he know he aknt getting them

Really?

You think Giles has told Cal he is not coming to UK and that he is in fact going to Duke? He lod Cal this?

And in order to "stay classy" Cal wastes his time to travel and watch him play instead of pursuing other options even more aggressively.

This is not SEC football, which S&C was kind of referring to for multiple reasons, which are definitely true.

Cal does not have to waste time.

Cal does not have to appear to be "classy".

Classiness has nothing to do with this.

Can you name any player that gave us a solid no that we continued to just show up to look classy?

Cal says UK is not for everybody and move on to the next.


I am sorry but this makes absolutely zero sense to me. I may be the only one who disagrees with your take here, but I do disagree wholeheartedly.

Giles may very well end up at Duke but I'd bet he hasn't told Cal that his mind his 100% made up.

 

[Jkwo_rivals113955]

Because I think there has been a long-time connection there, as evidenced by the feeling by many that he would go there. But I think the bigger concern is Coach K, not Duke fans. For some kids, especially kids like Giles, I think letting down certain coaches definitely plays a role in their decision.

I am the furthest thing from a tin hat guy, but to me that's more interesting to think about if K had remained the team USA coach - would certain elite players be afraid of being left off the roster? I doubt K is that petty, but theoretically, if he has the power to put Plumlee on undeservedly, he has the power to keep someone else off undeservedly.

 

[ukfan2410]

Rick Lewis‏@Coach_Rick57 17m17 minutes ago

Per Steve Smith, Harry Giles will be announcing on ESPN live next Thursday night in Turner Gymnasium & not in Winston-Salem