Cousins trade rumors.
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I think It is hilarious to think that the lakers could not compete if they make this trade. The only people the lakers have under contract next year is kobe, randle, and jordan Clarkson. They pick up cuz and love then fill in with vet min players like miami did when they signed bosh and james. They would start Clarkson, kobe, love, cuz. Randle the 6th man or trade him for a starting 3. May not be the best team in the league but would be a playoff team. Then kobe comes off the books and they go big aftet kevin Durant or another big name.
LOL at those thinking the Lakers getting Cousins and they could "compete for a title.".
The Lakers could get Cousins, Rondo, have Randle back 100%, have Kobe back to as good as he can be at 38, and they aren't even a PLAYOFF team.
Title? Haha. Kobe has no other chance unless he goes to a contender. The Lakers are a good 3 years away regardless of what they do, which makes it really stupid to trade for Cousins unless they plan on keeping him for another decade like they did when they acquired Shaq.
The Lakers could get Cousins, Rondo, have Randle back 100%, have Kobe back to as good as he can be at 38, and they aren't even a PLAYOFF team.
Title? Haha. Kobe has no other chance unless he goes to a contender. The Lakers are a good 3 years away regardless of what they do, which makes it really stupid to trade for Cousins unless they plan on keeping him for another decade like they did when they acquired Shaq.
If Kobe insists on playing the way he did 10 years ago, they're not going to win until he leaves. When he's healthy he still wants to be "the guy" and his shooting last year was putrid. He needs to take a more supportive role like MJ did when he went to the Wizards. Having someone else on his team worth a hoot may help him to do that.
Just a quick reminder..
D. Cuz averaged this in 23.5 mpg in college.
15.1 ppg @ 56%, 60.4% FT, 9.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.8 bpg.
Not sure people realize the insane nature of dominance he showed in college.... Had he played 30 mpg his stat would look like this...
19.3 ppg @ 56%, 60.4% FT, 12.6 rpg, 1.3 spg, 2.3 bpg
Compare to Okafor's
17.3 ppg @ 66.4%, 51% FT, 8.5 rpg, .8 spg, 1.4 bpg.
Not sure why anyone would think that they are in same category......
D. Cuz averaged this in 23.5 mpg in college.
15.1 ppg @ 56%, 60.4% FT, 9.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.8 bpg.
Not sure people realize the insane nature of dominance he showed in college.... Had he played 30 mpg his stat would look like this...
19.3 ppg @ 56%, 60.4% FT, 12.6 rpg, 1.3 spg, 2.3 bpg
Compare to Okafor's
17.3 ppg @ 66.4%, 51% FT, 8.5 rpg, .8 spg, 1.4 bpg.
Not sure why anyone would think that they are in same category......
Also, Cousin is 24...he can be now and the future.
He'll also help bring in other talents. LA is a nice city. Bring shooters are him to give him space. He would be sickeningly good.
Towns has potential to be top 10 player, but nothing is guaranteed. Okafor might...but i feel like he is too limited in my opinion. Cousin is proven NBA superstar...
He'll also help bring in other talents. LA is a nice city. Bring shooters are him to give him space. He would be sickeningly good.
Towns has potential to be top 10 player, but nothing is guaranteed. Okafor might...but i feel like he is too limited in my opinion. Cousin is proven NBA superstar...
Do you want a Shaq like player, "Cousin" who is a monster inside, or do you want a Tim Duncan, in one of the other two draft choices.... Of course Cousins isn't shaq, but the next thing in the NBA to him.... And the first two draft choices isn't like a Duncan in his prime, but they are like a Duncan in his first years....
So you only read the one post? It was probably a monumental achievement for you to get that far.
LOL PER. Citing PER to counter to criticism involving offensive efficiency is folly. As a metric, PER is known for overvaluing high usage, inefficient players.
Cousins is great at everything in the boxscore but shooting, fouling, and turnovers. In those deficiencies, he ranges from about average to terrible.
He's a talented player, no doubt there. Perhaps some his weaknesses are exposed due to poor team composition. A solid point guard who can take some of the ball handling duties away from Cousins may help improve his prodigious turnover rate, for example.
PER is the metric used to evaluate player effeciency, true shooting percentange and turnover rate and fouling are components of PER. Your statement was that ," he's not elite efficiency wise" and cherry picked his worst components of the efficency ratings and left out the ones he excelled at, I otoh , Looked at the whole picture and conclude that you are incorrect and linked the stats to back that up. Which of those players in the top ten are over valued, even Whiteside played great for the short period he played, evryone else has been stars.
Sac not trading Cousins UNLESS they get a top pick and 2 starters IMO. No way Karl takes that job and then says he doesn't like Cuz...that would be pure idiocy.
Sacramento pick is as good as LAs...Sac has a C, and LAL doesn't have a choice....Sac just needs to make a pick that elevates their roster. They need more than one piece, but they right now are better than LAL.
Both teams will have a tough time making the playoffs no matter what trades/signings they make.
Sacramento pick is as good as LAs...Sac has a C, and LAL doesn't have a choice....Sac just needs to make a pick that elevates their roster. They need more than one piece, but they right now are better than LAL.
Both teams will have a tough time making the playoffs no matter what trades/signings they make.
We will have to agree to disagree. btw I graduated in 79 too if that is what the 79 means? May be your age though...Be Good
Born in '79 :sunglasses:
It was a rough but good year. I graduated from High School the same day John Wayne died....
My criticism focuses on his offensive efficiency, which I thought was pretty clear in my first post. Components that have nothing to do with offensive efficiency and are included in the calculation of PER, like defensive rebounding and steals, are irrelevant. Saying "look at his PER" doesn't directly address my claim. I've already conceded that he does other things quite well. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
He's about average in TS%, average in offensive rebounding, great at assists, and beyond awful in ball handling. His outstanding weakness in turnovers nosedives his offensive efficiency. Last season, his offensive rating was just 104. Elite players tend to be much more efficient on offense. Davis, James, Harden, Curry, Durant, and Jordan for example, all had offensive ratings above 110 according to basketball reference just last season. His offensive efficiency is just not at the same level as the elite class of players in the NBA right now.
Without looking at the top ten, I'm going to guess Westbrook and Aldridge. PER tracks public perceptions of players quite well, but has little empirical basis.
I would disagree in as what Karl would or wouldn't do. After the first week of watching Cousins in games Karl decided then that he was not a good fit for what he wanted to do. The more I hear the more Im believing that Cousins we be traded. Could be to the Knicks, Boston, LA or even Atlanta. I'm not saying he should be traded I'm just saying Karl is telling those closest to him HE thinks so.
I really have to question a coaches capabilities if they don't like Cuz's game. I really do. Cuz will go through a "Wall" for the right coach/ person. Can you imagine if Cal were still coaching Cuz? He'd be nearly all world about now. (I do believe that.)
TS% includes free throws...so poor free throw shooter = poorer TS%
almost every other category his is top 10 in league
if anyone saw cuz, single handle destroy the Suns near the end of the 2014 season ...oh, goodness. talk about potential!!
Looking at it from a GM point of view it makes perfect sense. You have to assume Towns is going #1. Okafor and Julius Randle are very similar players so why have both guys. You're going to be able to net more with the #2 than you are if you use JR as trade bait since he's coming off an injury and hasn't been able to show you anything. With Cousins, you have a true center and they are probably banking on JR as his 4.
I would like to add that teams shouldn't consider under normal conditions to make trades with the Celtics or the Lakers. Somehow their luck is uncanny in how they always seemed to contend by being able to wrangle superstars to their roster.
Let them build by the draft and free agents. The league had to step in to overrule a Chris Paul trade to the Lakers and the TWolves gave the Celtics Garnett. They made it look so easy to pick up top talent for years.
You're right about the Lakers' history of making out in trades, but there was nothing wrong with the Chris Paul deal.
They had acquired assets (Odom, Gasol), and were willing to trade away those assets for someone of greater perceived need (Paul).
The problem was that they made the deal in the middle of the owners' meeting, in an odd period where the league had voting control over New Orleans.
The owners, Dan Gilbert chief among them, were mad that the Lakers were not only going to get better, but would avoid the luxury tax as well. Small town owners depended on the wealthy Lakers for extra cash.
David Stern took the opportunity to flex his muscle, and the Lakers haven't been the same since.
Odom wanted out. Gasol was unhappy and eventually walked for nothing. Dwight Howard came for a year, but quickly found greener pastures. The plan had been Paul/Howard/ aging Kobe of course.
I won't say it's impossible, but I'm inclined to believe it's a smokescreen at this time. If this offer were actually on the table, the Lakers should accept it before the Kings change their minds. Only PF or C I'd take for sure over Cousins is Anthony Davis.
I was just talking to someone the other day about what the Lakers might need. I mention to that person that it would be great if they had a player like Cousins or Davis. I would officially be a Lakers fan if Boogie makes the move.
If LA does a trade like Randle and #2 for Cousins and #6 this thing could be huge for LA.
Randle is perfect for Karl's style, but in LA he would t be a compliment to either Okafor or Cuz.
For LA you take Cuz, sign Love and draft our boy Devin Booker and that team competes easily and takes a lot of pressure off Kobe so that he makes it a full season. Booker helps drastically!
Randle is perfect for Karl's style, but in LA he would t be a compliment to either Okafor or Cuz.
For LA you take Cuz, sign Love and draft our boy Devin Booker and that team competes easily and takes a lot of pressure off Kobe so that he makes it a full season. Booker helps drastically!
lmao. You are a complete moron if you think the Los Angeles Lakers are remotely close to competing for a title. Not to mention, next year is Kobe's last season with the Lakers. So you think the Lakers could win it all NEXT YEAR, just by adding Cousins?
Solid analysis there man.
There's no need for this. This is the kind of crap that mods need to take care of. You can disagree without being an ***.