Imagine hating America so much that you’re happy to do away with the most fundamentally American ideals like free speech and due process
Seriously, how can anyone support this?
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I really don't get it. We aren't arguing that illegals should get free reign and never get sent back. But that they should get due process like is afforded everyone in the constitution.
You have to realize that it's not really hating America, it's loving Trump. He's all about the constitution when Trump isn't involved. Remember how Biden tried to forgive student loans and the SCOTUS shut that down and said Biden was out of his lane? Cheers all around! I wonder what they'd have said if Biden just came back and said... well, it's already done... too bad so sad. Growlz would have been getting the pitchforks and torches ready and rightfully so. But when Trump does it, it's fine. Remember when Trump posted on setting aside the constitution to get him back in the White House? Crickets. Trump running for a 3rd term? Nothing. Trump just saying he can't get that deported dude back? Not a problem.
We’re not even talking about illegals anymore. They literally arrested a dude who was here legally, has been here legally for a decade, and was on the cusp of being granted citizenship - they’ve said over and over again that they just want immigrants to do it “the right way” and this dude has and they’ve arrested him for the sole purpose of him using speech they don’t like. They aren’t even hiding it.
They deported someone “by accident” who was here legally, sent him to a prison in a foreign country, and despite an order from the Supreme Court they refuse to return him.
They’re removing people here legally due to speech, they’re ignoring court orders, they’re openly talking about sending American Citizens to foreign prisons, they have masked men arresting people for speech. There is no way any sane, rational person can look at this and not see that this is pure out and out Fascism.
If people would just admit that Fascism is what they want, then I’d have more respect for them. But that’s what this is. Pure authoritarianism out in the open.
Are you against deporting illegal immigrants? Unfortunately that law was signed into place (Expedited Removal) in 1996. It’s not against the law for ICE to deport people without due process if they meet certain criteria. That’s the actual law. Thats not a Trump or Maga thing. That’s just enforcing the current laws.
Due process is given to legal people in this country. Also no charges have been given to this man. You are fine with that why?
Also, you are fine with US citizens being sent to other countries to serve their prison sentence?
Why do you hate the constitution so much?
Expedited Removal is the law I mentioned. If you don’t like the law, change it. I don’t know enough about this particular case, this is generally speaking. I don’t hate the constitution and hope you are this passionate about the first and second amendments as well.
- Any noncitizen who arrived at a port of entry, at any time, and is determined to be inadmissible for fraud or misrepresentation or lacking proper entry documents and
- Any noncitizen who entered without inspection (by land or sea), was never admitted or paroled, is encountered anywhere in the United States, and cannot prove that they have been physically present in the United States for the two years preceding the immigration officer’s determination that they are inadmissible for fraud or misrepresentation or lack of proper entry documents.
Except when the Supreme Court rules that they broke the law and need to get the guy back?
They have admitted that they wrongfully sent the guy back. The display in the Oval with Trump and Bikele was disgusting. This is a man with kids who was sent wrongfully to a concentration camp in another country. How do you defend that?
And then to act as if it was funny? Dude, where is any sort of empathy?
Neither of those conditions apply to these situations. Both were here legally and had presented themselves. They were literally doing the right things.
Yeah this has nothing to do with the situation. Now run off to twitter to find a new reason to be ok with a person of legal status being removed but not charged of any crime.
I try with MTTiger, because he seems to actually want to have a real discussion. He just seems to not do any sort of reading before he screams wrongfully at the clouds.
Check out the thread where he claimed he was massively overtaxed and the federal government should fix his roads and schools.
Go back and read my posts. I have not commented on any of that. I asked @UrHuckleberry a question for clarification. You guys are relentless. Just sit around waiting to pounce and liking each others posts lol at this.
Those items don’t have to be mutually exclusive as you suggest.
I want a more efficient government that prioritizes schools and roads over someone’s skin Color (DEI)
To be fair you are completely misrepresenting my point. My point was that if a portion of tax dollars are being spent on waste and fraud then I am in fact taxed too much. And my second point was that if we have money for wars and trans Sesame Street why do I have to drive on horrible roads and **** like that. That’s probably a pretty common feeling. You come off as an elitist.
Disingenuous. That’s been the theme from most of the tolerant left in here lol.
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I have repeatedly said I am not against deporting illegals. In this very thread. Will be my last response, you win.
I don’t think you understand what due process is. How would you know they met certain criteria otherwise.
It was a ridiculous question though.
You have made points in this thread. If I asked for clarification for “so you support illegal immigrants being shot on sight because they don’t fall under the constitution?” That would be a “question for clarification” but would be ridiculous and not all the point you were making at any point.
I think this is all up for debate. Does a green card holder have full constitutional protections? I don't know. Has SCOTUS ruled on this before. Isn't it the host country's fault for allowing the person in. You've already spoken on his/her fitness to immigrate.
Everyone in the US is under the constitution. Different people or statuses are treated differently within however.
That’s why we have laws tho. He’s showing why the law is the way it is.
Did you ever admit that you were wrong though? Not trying to beat you up, but you kept trying to argue and seemingly got more and more desperate as you realized that your frustrations, weren't infact accurate?
That's part of the frustration, I love the discussion, I admit when I screw up, which I do all the time lol.
Expedited Removal isn't applicable in any of the instances in question.
Of course I do. I was wrong about the percentage of my income that is taxed. Is that an acceptable apology to be allowed to post now? I have yet to see a single poster that I would consider liberal admit to ever being wrong. I had a guy wish my entire family died in a fire, was that wrong? Where’s all my apologies? That seems much crazier than being wrong about a tax bracket.
I don’t know. But apparently you don’t either. I’ve cited the law. It is what it is man.
I read what was posted, which was why I responded. There’s no reason to even bring up expedited removal because it doesn’t qualify - unless the plan is to obfuscate the facts.
Yes that’s exactly what i was trying to do. I’ll see myself out. And it most certainly qualifies if an argument is being made to justify due process for any person within our borders.
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You mean like the biden infrastructure act that trump halted by executive order? do you think that trump priotitizes schools with his dummy down and brain drain policies and executive orders? ...
Please show the part of the constitution that states what you say and then show us some rullings from scotus to back up that interpretation.
go get em, growls, time to pull out that gateway pundit source ! lol
Not legal. Wrong Yoshi. Even if they brought this guy back they would just deport him to some other foreign nation. Maybe Siberia? They could work out a deal with Putin as part of the stopping the war.....ohhhh **** yes!!!
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The commie dems lets millions of illegal aliens in the nation and used stolen taxpayer funds via NGO scams to pay for it and none of yall cared at all. Now that law is being restored and they have the huge task of removing some of the millions here you guys want to nit pick every case and whine about due process? What a joke if it wasnt so sad!!! What about the due process of the millions of American citizens being severely adversely affected by this commie dem cluster fv*k??
If I thought you would see any amount of proof and change your opinion, I may do that. This is the basics of our constitution.
This case literally just went to the Supreme Court and was won 9-0 and you’re asking for proof from that same Supreme Court. And it’s one of the first five amendments. You don’t even have to get deep into them.
Nah, I’ll just refer to my first sentence there, have a good one TG.