Seriously, how can anyone support this?
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You going to start a new thread on each of these pro Palestinian activists that gets deported?
First sentence of article tells it all......
Mohsen Mahdawi, an organizer of pro-Palestinian demonstrations last year at Columbia University,
Not a citizen and doesn't have full constitutional protections. Marco Rubio can remove these people by decree. You guys need to come back and pull for the home team again at some point.
I hate the first amendment too. We should be deporting anyone who doesn’t agree with us.
We should not give radical muslim activists a platform over here in the US to cause trouble. No reason to have them here in that scenario.
I agree. Like I said if they don’t agree with us deport them.
What constitutional protections do you think he has?
They can go back to their home country and speak their mind there.
Imagine going to someone else’s house and talking **** about them?
You would get your *** kicked. We are being nice to these people.
This makes me sad to see from a free speech purist as I previously thought you were.
None of them care about free speech. They’ve never cared about it.
Our citizens get free speech.
Can you imagine an American going to his country and starting drama? Also known as a color revolution?
Should we not be able to defend against color revolutions?
If our citizens want to say it, fine. If you are a guest here, politely **** off. Go effect change in your own country.
Not much. Rubio sending them packing and that's a fact.
The only speech they care about protecting is that which agrees with their insular worldview.
I swear every day that goes by the MAGA crowd lays bare how un-American it is… and/or that they’re simply stupid and don’t understand concepts like free speech. I vote 2/2.
That’s not the constitution tho.
You do you Growls. Your lack of empathy recently makes me sad. Not that you care.
I care about American citizens. I can't invest emotional energy worrying about illegals that come in here to break the law and collect welfare.
Some of them are. Some are flat out animals without a soul. It's not our obligation to just let them stay and be citizens because an NGO took stolen taxpayer funds and paid for them to come here with promises galore. This is real life and the gig is up. They need to leave and then try to come back again in a legal manner at some point down the road.
I agree. Just my opinion, which I realize is probably worth less than $.02
I at no point in time have tried to say violent criminals (or even just criminals period) should just be allowed to stay. But every single person is afforded due process by the constitution, that is all I ask for. At the end of that due process, I support whatever the outcome is, which for criminals I believe should be deportation, and illegals as well provided they don't have a real claim to asylum etc.
With the way our constitution is written, is it your position that if a person can somehow make it onto land in America, even through unlawful or inhumane means, they should have the same rights and benefits and access to programs as a natural born citizen? If so, that’s most likely the issue between the sides.
Appreciate you acknowledging that. And I don't value my own opinion that much either lolI agree. Just my opinion, which I realize is probably worth less than $.02
You don’t agree with the constitution. That’s a you problem. Take it up with the founders, who you seem to disagree with.
MAGA cosplaying as patriots while completely disregarding the constitution is mind blowing.
Yes, that is definitely what I said. Every right. Every program. Every benefit. Absolutely trying to make that argument.
Did I say that or did I ask him a question and offer a possible explanation?
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying. And who is responsible for the programs and benefits? Is there a numerical limit of people that can come?
Well, I guess I jumped to that conclusion given your tendency to support this admin's decisions at every turn. Just replace "you" with "MAGA" in my statement, and the point stands.
I was pretty clearly being sarcastic as that wasn't at all what I said. You just took what I said and ran with it to mean whatever it is on the other side you want to be upset about.
They are afforded the rights given to them in the constitution period. There are rights in the constitution given to citizens and there are rights given to people.
Enjoy arguing against not me from here.
Only a matter of time before this starts happening to American citizens. Somehow I imagine the usual suspects here will rush to defend it with some other adjustment to the goal posts.
We are literally watching Fascist authoritarianism take hold of our country in real time.
We are literally watching Fascist authoritarianism take hold of our country in real time.
Am I not asking reasonable questions? Not arguing, trying to understand your thought process. I think I read yesterday if every immigrant that came in the last four years had a trial it would completely crush our judicial system and cause a major backlog on top of costing taxpayers billions. I think common sense folks would say that we don’t want our courts bogged down with that but what do I know. It’s complicated. What is your solution? If they can’t be sent back do they all go to trial?
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Sorry but its just what the constitution says. They are afforded due process. Full stop. Not all services, not all benefits. They don't get to vote, and many other rights only afforded citizens. But due process is every person. I agree the courts are a mess. Was an absolute key piece of the bipartisan immigration law that Trump killed. More judges etc to speed things along. I would be open to many ideas. But removing due process, allowing the government to sweep people up, claim they are a gang member and ship them to a prison camp without a chance to defend themselves isn't one of them.
And just like that you got on the saddle of fascism. We tried to warn you, but you told us we were just emotional libs. Turns out we were more American all along.
Yep, for sure. We've got ICE agents showing up in unmarked cars, wearing masks and literally pulling people (granted... suspected of being illegal immigrants) off the street and taking them 100s of miles away from there and refusing to tell where they are. That's the way the US does business now. Donald Trump won and this is who we are as a country.
To respond to the question of constitutional rights to non citizens. In the past we did give them the same protections we gave citizens. Not because we HAD to, but because that was the way we did business. Our constitution was who we were and what we aspired to give to the entire world. That's what made us special and part of what made us the greatest country in the world. God knows this country isn't perfect and we've done some bad things over our history, but we tried to do the right thing most of the time and providing constitutional protections and due process even to non citizens was part of that. We used to strive to be the "Good Guys". Yes, we failed at that sometimes, but we were trying and IMHO we mostly did a pretty good job of it.
No more. We are in the process of remaking ourselves in Donald Trump's image. We look out for number 1, period. We threaten our allies with us taking them over b/c that would be good for us. We use our position as the number 1 economy to bully other countries into giving us great deals or we'll crush them economically. That's just the way we roll now b/c that's the way Donald Trump rolls. And his supporters love it. Just face it. We aren't the good guys any more. We are now just like everyone else.
