Curious who you would vote for...

[dpic73]

Are you not watching? Biden's team has already done this for themselves and created chaos in America at the same time. Geez, you seem educated, yet the TDS has blinded you to the current situation.

This makes no sense but are you suggesting that the DOJ should not be prosecuting Trump's treasonous crimes? He should just walk away scot-free from all the mayhem he has subjected this country to, and be allowed to create worse havoc the next time around, because he faced no accountability?

 

[robscottham]

Let's pretend that Manchin announces a run for the presidency and we end up with three candidates for President in Biden, Trump and Manchin. As of today, who would you be most likely to vote for?

RFK Jr.

 

[nytigerfan]

Are you not watching? Biden's team has already done this for themselves and created chaos in America at the same time. Geez, you seem educated, yet the TDS has blinded you to the current situation.

Border apprehensions = down
inflation rate = down
gas prices = down
jobs = way up
us manufacturing jobs = way, way, way, way up
stock market = up

Prognosis = Bidenomics works.

Our recovery has far outpaced the rest of the developed world. We need four more years of Biden; we cannot afford to let trump **** it all up again.

 

[jad7tiger]

Let's pretend that Manchin announces a run for the presidency and we end up with three candidates for President in Biden, Trump and Manchin. As of today, who would you be most likely to vote for?

The fact that ANYONE would even remotely condone the thought of casting a vote for a demented turd like biden is completely asinine! Just about ANYBODY else would be a better choice.

 

[WapPride]

Border apprehensions = down
inflation rate = down
gas prices = down
jobs = way up
us manufacturing jobs = way, way, way, way up
stock market = up

Prognosis = Bidenomics works.

Our recovery has far outpaced the rest of the developed world. We need four more years of Biden; we cannot afford to let trump **** it all up again.

Yeah but they feel like the country is in shambles, facts be damned.

 

[nytigerfan]

Yeah but they feel like the country is in shambles, facts be damned.

Yes, and remember the streets were burning the entire time Obama was president. Then everything was magically great again when trump was elected. They live in an alternate reality fueled by republican misinformation.

 

[jad7tiger]

Border apprehensions = down
inflation rate = down
gas prices = down
jobs = way up
us manufacturing jobs = way, way, way, way up
stock market = up

Prognosis = Bidenomics works.

Our recovery has far outpaced the rest of the developed world. We need four more years of Biden; we cannot afford to let trump **** it all up again.

Folks, take a snapshot... this is what you want to avoid. This is what it looks like when someone has their head so far up their anus, they are literally, or liberally, chewing their own colon.

 

[dpic73]

Folks, take a snapshot... this is what you want to avoid. This is what it looks like when someone has their head so far up their anus, they are literally, or liberally, chewing their own colon.

This is what it looks like when you ignore results in favor of FoxNews talking points.

 

[Willence]

Border apprehensions = down
inflation rate = down
gas prices = down
jobs = way up
us manufacturing jobs = way, way, way, way up
stock market = up

Prognosis = Bidenomics works.

Our recovery has far outpaced the rest of the developed world. We need four more years of Biden; we cannot afford to let trump **** it all up again.

Inflation rate by month:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

Gas price by month:

2020-Dec	12/07	2.156	12/14	2.158	12/21	2.224	12/28	2.243
2021-Jan	01/04	2.249	01/11	2.317	01/18	2.379	01/25	2.392
2021-Feb	02/01	2.409	02/08	2.461	02/15	2.501	02/22	2.633
2021-Mar	03/01	2.711	03/08	2.771	03/15	2.853	03/22	2.865	03/29	2.852
2021-Apr	04/05	2.857	04/12	2.849	04/19	2.855	04/26	2.872
2021-May	05/03	2.890	05/10	2.961	05/17	3.028	05/24	3.020	05/31	3.027
2021-Jun	06/07	3.035	06/14	3.069	06/21	3.060	06/28	3.091
2021-Jul	07/05	3.122	07/12	3.133	07/19	3.153	07/26	3.136
2021-Aug	08/02	3.159	08/09	3.172	08/16	3.174	08/23	3.145	08/30	3.139
2021-Sep	09/06	3.176	09/13	3.165	09/20	3.184	09/27	3.175
2021-Oct	10/04	3.190	10/11	3.267	10/18	3.322	10/25	3.383
2021-Nov	11/01	3.390	11/08	3.410	11/15	3.399	11/22	3.395	11/29	3.380
2021-Dec	12/06	3.341	12/13	3.315	12/20	3.295	12/27	3.275
2022-Jan	01/03	3.281	01/10	3.295	01/17	3.306	01/24	3.323	01/31	3.368
2022-Feb	02/07	3.444	02/14	3.487	02/21	3.530	02/28	3.608
2022-Mar	03/07	4.102	03/14	4.315	03/21	4.239	03/28	4.231
2022-Apr	04/04	4.170	04/11	4.091	04/18	4.066	04/25	4.107
2022-May	05/02	4.182	05/09	4.328	05/16	4.491	05/23	4.593	05/30	4.624
2022-Jun	06/06	4.876	06/13	5.006	06/20	4.962	06/27	4.872
2022-Jul	07/04	4.771	07/11	4.646	07/18	4.490	07/25	4.330
2022-Aug	08/01	4.192	08/08	4.038	08/15	3.938	08/22	3.880	08/29	3.827
2022-Sep	09/05	3.746	09/12	3.690	09/19	3.654	09/26	3.711
2022-Oct	10/03	3.782	10/10	3.912	10/17	3.871	10/24	3.769	10/31	3.742
2022-Nov	11/07	3.796	11/14	3.762	11/21	3.648	11/28	3.534
2022-Dec	12/05	3.390	12/12	3.239	12/19	3.120	12/26	3.091
2023-Jan	01/02	3.223	01/09	3.259	01/16	3.310	01/23	3.415	01/30	3.489
2023-Feb	02/06	3.444	02/13	3.390	02/20	3.379	02/27	3.342
2023-Mar	03/06	3.389	03/13	3.456	03/20	3.422	03/27	3.421
2023-Apr	04/03	3.497	04/10	3.596	04/17	3.663	04/24	3.656
2023-May	05/01	3.600	05/08	3.533	05/15	3.536	05/22	3.534	05/29	3.571
2023-Jun	06/05	3.541	06/12	3.595	06/19	3.577	06/26	3.571
2023-Jul	07/03	3.527	07/10	3.546	07/17	3.559

Also reference strategic oil reserve levels:

U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR (Thousand Barrels)

Employment:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Manufacturing jobs:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Stock market:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

Real earnings:

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q2 2026 about full-time, salaries, earnings, workers, 16 years +, wages, median, employment, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Leftists say: "I'm going to burn your house down and then rebuild a lesser version and take credit for giving you a home!"

 

[nytigerfan]

Folks, take a snapshot... this is what you want to avoid. This is what it looks like when someone has their head so far up their anus, they are literally, or liberally, chewing their own colon.

Show me data that refutes the points I made. You cannot.

Remember, in the real world, your feelings don’t count.

**** your feelings.

 

[Willence]

Yeah but they feel like the country is in shambles, facts be damned.

Facts be damned is right. Only you're just not considering who is damning the facts... LOL

 

[Willence]

Show me data that refutes the points I made. You cannot.

Remember, in the real world, your feelings don’t count.

**** your feelings.

Done!

 

[nytigerfan]

Inflation rate by month:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

Gas price by month:

2020-Dec	12/07	2.156	12/14	2.158	12/21	2.224	12/28	2.243
2021-Jan	01/04	2.249	01/11	2.317	01/18	2.379	01/25	2.392
2021-Feb	02/01	2.409	02/08	2.461	02/15	2.501	02/22	2.633
2021-Mar	03/01	2.711	03/08	2.771	03/15	2.853	03/22	2.865	03/29	2.852
2021-Apr	04/05	2.857	04/12	2.849	04/19	2.855	04/26	2.872
2021-May	05/03	2.890	05/10	2.961	05/17	3.028	05/24	3.020	05/31	3.027
2021-Jun	06/07	3.035	06/14	3.069	06/21	3.060	06/28	3.091
2021-Jul	07/05	3.122	07/12	3.133	07/19	3.153	07/26	3.136
2021-Aug	08/02	3.159	08/09	3.172	08/16	3.174	08/23	3.145	08/30	3.139
2021-Sep	09/06	3.176	09/13	3.165	09/20	3.184	09/27	3.175
2021-Oct	10/04	3.190	10/11	3.267	10/18	3.322	10/25	3.383
2021-Nov	11/01	3.390	11/08	3.410	11/15	3.399	11/22	3.395	11/29	3.380
2021-Dec	12/06	3.341	12/13	3.315	12/20	3.295	12/27	3.275
2022-Jan	01/03	3.281	01/10	3.295	01/17	3.306	01/24	3.323	01/31	3.368
2022-Feb	02/07	3.444	02/14	3.487	02/21	3.530	02/28	3.608
2022-Mar	03/07	4.102	03/14	4.315	03/21	4.239	03/28	4.231
2022-Apr	04/04	4.170	04/11	4.091	04/18	4.066	04/25	4.107
2022-May	05/02	4.182	05/09	4.328	05/16	4.491	05/23	4.593	05/30	4.624
2022-Jun	06/06	4.876	06/13	5.006	06/20	4.962	06/27	4.872
2022-Jul	07/04	4.771	07/11	4.646	07/18	4.490	07/25	4.330
2022-Aug	08/01	4.192	08/08	4.038	08/15	3.938	08/22	3.880	08/29	3.827
2022-Sep	09/05	3.746	09/12	3.690	09/19	3.654	09/26	3.711
2022-Oct	10/03	3.782	10/10	3.912	10/17	3.871	10/24	3.769	10/31	3.742
2022-Nov	11/07	3.796	11/14	3.762	11/21	3.648	11/28	3.534
2022-Dec	12/05	3.390	12/12	3.239	12/19	3.120	12/26	3.091
2023-Jan	01/02	3.223	01/09	3.259	01/16	3.310	01/23	3.415	01/30	3.489
2023-Feb	02/06	3.444	02/13	3.390	02/20	3.379	02/27	3.342
2023-Mar	03/06	3.389	03/13	3.456	03/20	3.422	03/27	3.421
2023-Apr	04/03	3.497	04/10	3.596	04/17	3.663	04/24	3.656
2023-May	05/01	3.600	05/08	3.533	05/15	3.536	05/22	3.534	05/29	3.571
2023-Jun	06/05	3.541	06/12	3.595	06/19	3.577	06/26	3.571
2023-Jul	07/03	3.527	07/10	3.546	07/17	3.559

Employment:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Manufacturing jobs:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Stock market:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

Real earnings:

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q2 2026 about full-time, salaries, earnings, workers, 16 years +, wages, median, employment, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Leftists say: "I'm going to burn your house down and then rebuild a lesser version and take credit for giving you a home!"

Thank you for that. Your data just proved my point and saved me the time of having to post it.

Remember, you cannot blame inflation and gas prices on Biden’s policies and then not give him credit when numbers teen positive.

 

[nytigerfan]

Done!

Are you this dense? Your data backed up every point I made. Thanks!

 

[dpic73]

Inflation Rate - Countries - List

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Inflation Rate. This page provides values for Inflation Rate reported in several countries. The table has current values for Inflation Rate, previous releases, historical...

tradingeconomics.com

Country	Last	Previous	Reference	Unit
China	0	0.2	Jun/23	%
Switzerland	1.7	2.2	Jun/23	%
Spain	1.9	3.2	Jun/23	%
Saudi Arabia	2.7	2.8	Jun/23	%
South Korea	2.7	3.3	Jun/23	%
Canada	2.8	3.4	Jun/23	%
United States	3	4.1	Jun/23	%
Brazil	3.16	3.94	Jun/23	%
Japan	3.2	3.5	May/23	%
Russia	3.2	2.5	Jun/23	%
Indonesia	3.52	4	Jun/23	%
France	4.5	5.1	Jun/23	%
India	4.81	4.31	Jun/23	%
Mexico	5.06	5.84	Jun/23	%
Singapore	5.1	5.7	May/23	%
South Africa	5.4	6.3	Jun/23	%
Euro Area	5.5	6.1	Jun/23	%
Netherlands	5.7	6.06	Jun/23	%
Germany	6.38	6.1	Jun/23	%
Italy	6.4	7.64	Jun/23	%
Australia	7	7.8	Mar/23	%
United Kingdom	7.9	8.7	Jun/23	%
Turkey	38.21	39.59	Jun/23	%
Argentina	116	114	Jun/23	%

 

[jad7tiger]

Inflation rate by month:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

Gas price by month:

2020-Dec	12/07	2.156	12/14	2.158	12/21	2.224	12/28	2.243
2021-Jan	01/04	2.249	01/11	2.317	01/18	2.379	01/25	2.392
2021-Feb	02/01	2.409	02/08	2.461	02/15	2.501	02/22	2.633
2021-Mar	03/01	2.711	03/08	2.771	03/15	2.853	03/22	2.865	03/29	2.852
2021-Apr	04/05	2.857	04/12	2.849	04/19	2.855	04/26	2.872
2021-May	05/03	2.890	05/10	2.961	05/17	3.028	05/24	3.020	05/31	3.027
2021-Jun	06/07	3.035	06/14	3.069	06/21	3.060	06/28	3.091
2021-Jul	07/05	3.122	07/12	3.133	07/19	3.153	07/26	3.136
2021-Aug	08/02	3.159	08/09	3.172	08/16	3.174	08/23	3.145	08/30	3.139
2021-Sep	09/06	3.176	09/13	3.165	09/20	3.184	09/27	3.175
2021-Oct	10/04	3.190	10/11	3.267	10/18	3.322	10/25	3.383
2021-Nov	11/01	3.390	11/08	3.410	11/15	3.399	11/22	3.395	11/29	3.380
2021-Dec	12/06	3.341	12/13	3.315	12/20	3.295	12/27	3.275
2022-Jan	01/03	3.281	01/10	3.295	01/17	3.306	01/24	3.323	01/31	3.368
2022-Feb	02/07	3.444	02/14	3.487	02/21	3.530	02/28	3.608
2022-Mar	03/07	4.102	03/14	4.315	03/21	4.239	03/28	4.231
2022-Apr	04/04	4.170	04/11	4.091	04/18	4.066	04/25	4.107
2022-May	05/02	4.182	05/09	4.328	05/16	4.491	05/23	4.593	05/30	4.624
2022-Jun	06/06	4.876	06/13	5.006	06/20	4.962	06/27	4.872
2022-Jul	07/04	4.771	07/11	4.646	07/18	4.490	07/25	4.330
2022-Aug	08/01	4.192	08/08	4.038	08/15	3.938	08/22	3.880	08/29	3.827
2022-Sep	09/05	3.746	09/12	3.690	09/19	3.654	09/26	3.711
2022-Oct	10/03	3.782	10/10	3.912	10/17	3.871	10/24	3.769	10/31	3.742
2022-Nov	11/07	3.796	11/14	3.762	11/21	3.648	11/28	3.534
2022-Dec	12/05	3.390	12/12	3.239	12/19	3.120	12/26	3.091
2023-Jan	01/02	3.223	01/09	3.259	01/16	3.310	01/23	3.415	01/30	3.489
2023-Feb	02/06	3.444	02/13	3.390	02/20	3.379	02/27	3.342
2023-Mar	03/06	3.389	03/13	3.456	03/20	3.422	03/27	3.421
2023-Apr	04/03	3.497	04/10	3.596	04/17	3.663	04/24	3.656
2023-May	05/01	3.600	05/08	3.533	05/15	3.536	05/22	3.534	05/29	3.571
2023-Jun	06/05	3.541	06/12	3.595	06/19	3.577	06/26	3.571
2023-Jul	07/03	3.527	07/10	3.546	07/17	3.559

Also reference strategic oil reserve levels:

U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR (Thousand Barrels)

Employment:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Manufacturing jobs:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Stock market:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

Real earnings:

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q2 2026 about full-time, salaries, earnings, workers, 16 years +, wages, median, employment, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Leftists say: "I'm going to burn your house down and then rebuild a lesser version and take credit for giving you a home!"

Great job! And, beat me to it. Thank you!

 

[Willence]

Are you this dense? Your data backed up every point I made. Thanks!

You have to actually look at things before...

Nothing could stay that high and consider what we've done to get there. You're only seeing what you want to which is not surprising.

-Gas before Biden - $2.24 - Today $3.56
-Manufacturing jobs have risen slightly since 2020. But much of that investment was announced long before Biden because of Trump era repatriation policies. (HINT: It takes a while to build a factory....)
-We have the lowest labor force participation rate since the dog days of the 1970's and that fantastic economy. There's A LOT more to unemployment than the unemployment rate. We're still below pre-pandemic employment by millions of jobs...
-The stock market has gone up after dramatic losses. It's been a yo-yo since Biden took office and let's understand something. He took over an economy that was almost totally shut down. Going from 0 to 60 shouldn't have been as difficult as it was but given the reckless spending of both Trump and Biden, we faced way bigger headwinds than we should have.
-Jobs are paying more and things are costing more. The problem is things are costing a lot more than people are making more. I don't know how you can avoid facing that reality...

Things are no where as rosy as you try to make them out to be. Like I said, I'll burn your house down and build you a smaller house and then take credit for giving you a home. That's ridiculous.

 

[jad7tiger]

Show me data that refutes the points I made. You cannot.

Remember, in the real world, your feelings don’t count.

**** your feelings.

Thank you for this, Hillary! And you too can shove your feelings right up what's "left" of your colon.

 

[WapPride]

Inflation rate by month:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

Gas price by month:

2020-Dec	12/07	2.156	12/14	2.158	12/21	2.224	12/28	2.243
2021-Jan	01/04	2.249	01/11	2.317	01/18	2.379	01/25	2.392
2021-Feb	02/01	2.409	02/08	2.461	02/15	2.501	02/22	2.633
2021-Mar	03/01	2.711	03/08	2.771	03/15	2.853	03/22	2.865	03/29	2.852
2021-Apr	04/05	2.857	04/12	2.849	04/19	2.855	04/26	2.872
2021-May	05/03	2.890	05/10	2.961	05/17	3.028	05/24	3.020	05/31	3.027
2021-Jun	06/07	3.035	06/14	3.069	06/21	3.060	06/28	3.091
2021-Jul	07/05	3.122	07/12	3.133	07/19	3.153	07/26	3.136
2021-Aug	08/02	3.159	08/09	3.172	08/16	3.174	08/23	3.145	08/30	3.139
2021-Sep	09/06	3.176	09/13	3.165	09/20	3.184	09/27	3.175
2021-Oct	10/04	3.190	10/11	3.267	10/18	3.322	10/25	3.383
2021-Nov	11/01	3.390	11/08	3.410	11/15	3.399	11/22	3.395	11/29	3.380
2021-Dec	12/06	3.341	12/13	3.315	12/20	3.295	12/27	3.275
2022-Jan	01/03	3.281	01/10	3.295	01/17	3.306	01/24	3.323	01/31	3.368
2022-Feb	02/07	3.444	02/14	3.487	02/21	3.530	02/28	3.608
2022-Mar	03/07	4.102	03/14	4.315	03/21	4.239	03/28	4.231
2022-Apr	04/04	4.170	04/11	4.091	04/18	4.066	04/25	4.107
2022-May	05/02	4.182	05/09	4.328	05/16	4.491	05/23	4.593	05/30	4.624
2022-Jun	06/06	4.876	06/13	5.006	06/20	4.962	06/27	4.872
2022-Jul	07/04	4.771	07/11	4.646	07/18	4.490	07/25	4.330
2022-Aug	08/01	4.192	08/08	4.038	08/15	3.938	08/22	3.880	08/29	3.827
2022-Sep	09/05	3.746	09/12	3.690	09/19	3.654	09/26	3.711
2022-Oct	10/03	3.782	10/10	3.912	10/17	3.871	10/24	3.769	10/31	3.742
2022-Nov	11/07	3.796	11/14	3.762	11/21	3.648	11/28	3.534
2022-Dec	12/05	3.390	12/12	3.239	12/19	3.120	12/26	3.091
2023-Jan	01/02	3.223	01/09	3.259	01/16	3.310	01/23	3.415	01/30	3.489
2023-Feb	02/06	3.444	02/13	3.390	02/20	3.379	02/27	3.342
2023-Mar	03/06	3.389	03/13	3.456	03/20	3.422	03/27	3.421
2023-Apr	04/03	3.497	04/10	3.596	04/17	3.663	04/24	3.656
2023-May	05/01	3.600	05/08	3.533	05/15	3.536	05/22	3.534	05/29	3.571
2023-Jun	06/05	3.541	06/12	3.595	06/19	3.577	06/26	3.571
2023-Jul	07/03	3.527	07/10	3.546	07/17	3.559

Also reference strategic oil reserve levels:

U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR (Thousand Barrels)

Employment:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Manufacturing jobs:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Stock market:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

Real earnings:

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q2 2026 about full-time, salaries, earnings, workers, 16 years +, wages, median, employment, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Leftists say: "I'm going to burn your house down and then rebuild a lesser version and take credit for giving you a home!"

Inheriting a catastrophic economy (thanks in large part due to a global pandemic, and the beginning of a war where one of the largest providers of O&G in the world gets blackballed by the rest of the civilized world), and stabilizing it while seeing US inflation markedly lower than the rest of the world is a massive win.

Employment is on an uptick despite the 2nd largest generation all hitting retirement age, the stock market is on the uptick heading back to all time high levels, real earnings are on the upswing and are the highest they've ever been outside of the COVID shutdown, manufacturing jobs are once again at an all time high following the COVID shutdown, and the SPR has been declining for 15 years and frankly i'm not too concerned about those reserves being down. All of this was shown in the links you provided above.

Edit: I also forgot to add that Goldman Sachs just released a report saying they're lowering the odds the US actually hits a recession, so 10 points to JOETUS.

 

[OleFastball]

RFK Jr anyone?

He would be my 2nd choice.

 

[vhh1]

I continue to hope (but it's probably a futile hope) that someone will emerge from the primaries that I can actually vote for instead of voting "against" someone. As someone said earlier if the only options are the three listed, then I will vote for a write-in candidate. At this point, I firmly believe that we would be better off just electing someone chosen at random from the general population.

 

[nytigerfan]

You have to actually look at things before...

Nothing could stay that high and consider what we've done to get there. You're only seeing what you want to which is not surprising.

-Gas before Biden - $2.24 - Today $3.56
-Manufacturing jobs have risen slightly since 2020. But much of that investment was announced long before Biden because of Trump era repatriation policies. (HINT: It takes a while to build a factory....)
-We have the lowest labor force participation rate since the dog days of the 1970's and that fantastic economy. There's A LOT more to unemployment than the unemployment rate. We're still below pre-pandemic employment by millions of jobs...
-The stock market has gone up after dramatic losses. It's been a yo-yo since Biden took office and let's understand something. He took over an economy that was almost totally shut down. Going from 0 to 60 shouldn't have been as difficult as it was but given the reckless spending of both Trump and Biden, we faced way bigger headwinds than we should have.
-Jobs are paying more and things are costing more. The problem is things are costing a lot more than people are making more. I don't know how you can avoid facing that reality...

Things are no where as rosy as you try to make them out to be. Like I said, I'll burn your house down and build you a smaller house and then take credit for giving you a home. That's ridiculous.

Look at things before the global pandemic? I wonder why gas was so cheap before Biden took office? Could it be b/c trump shut down the country and nobody was driving?

As always, you guys use covid as an excuse for trump's poor economic performance, but you refuse to factor it into any assessment of Biden. You just continue to show your unrelenting bias.

And again, thanks for posting the data to validate everything that I said. You reminded me of MTG the other day, railing on Biden for rebuilding infrastructure and helping the poor. He used it as a commercial.

You are the best!

 

[nytigerfan]

Inheriting a catastrophic economy (thanks in large part due to a global pandemic, and the beginning of a war where one of the largest providers of O&G in the world gets blackballed by the rest of the civilized world), and stabilizing it while seeing US inflation markedly lower than the rest of the world is a massive win.

Employment is on an uptick despite the 2nd largest generation all hitting retirement age, the stock market is on the uptick heading back to all time high levels, real earnings are on the upswing and are the highest they've ever been outside of the COVID shutdown, manufacturing jobs are once again at an all time high following the COVID shutdown, and the SPR has been declining for 15 years and frankly i'm not too concerned about those reserves being down. All of this was shown in the links you provided above.

Edit: I also forgot to add that Goldman Sachs just released a report saying they're lowering the odds the US actually hits a recession, so 10 points to JOETUS.

Edit: I also forgot to add that Goldman Sachs just released a report saying they're lowering the odds the US actually hits a recession, so 10 points to JOETUS.

They obviously have not spoken to @PalmettoTiger1 , @Willence , @jakefest , and the rest of the TI top economists. They have been telling us that we have already been in a recession for the past year.

 

[scotchtiger]

I would be interested to see how Manchin positions himself. He's closer to the middle and more reasonable than Biden or Trump, but he's a lifelong dem and has voted for a ton of dem policy in his career. If I thought he would continue to support that even as an independent, then that would be a hard no.

Given that scenario, I would probably either not vote for president or write in someone. I will not vote for Biden or Trump.

 

[flotiger]

I continue to hope (but it's probably a futile hope) that someone will emerge from the primaries that I can actually vote for instead of voting "against" someone. As someone said earlier if the only options are the three listed, then I will vote for a write-in candidate. At this point, I firmly believe that we would be better off just electing someone chosen at random from the general population.

Yep, understandable. But no one who understands the peril our democracy is facing, that understands the facts of the economy, the constitution, justice and the law, and history, can possibly vote for Trump or DeSantis. You can.....and I do....disagree with many Biden and Democrat policies, but to choose Trump or DeSantis is the ultimate betrayal to this country.

 

[flotiger]

I would be interested to see how Manchin positions himself. He's closer to the middle and more reasonable than Biden or Trump, but he's a lifelong dem and has voted for a ton of dem policy in his career. If I thought he would continue to support that even as an independent, then that would be a hard no.

Given that scenario, I would probably either not vote for president or write in someone. I will not vote for Biden or Trump.

The problems, imo, with Manchin is his age at 75, along with him being in the pockets of fossil fuel companies. He made his money in the coal mining business, didn't he? And some of the statements he's recently made at various speaking engagements lead me to believe he's all about himself, not the country. He relishes his position where both parties are begging for his vote. And he votes for whichever throws him a bone on energy that he can benefit from. Not saying that most politicians aren't the same to some degree, but I'm just speaking on this one politician since he's relevant to what may play out in the next election.

 

[Willence]

Look at things before the global pandemic? I wonder why gas was so cheap before Biden took office? Could it be b/c trump shut down the country and nobody was driving?

As always, you guys use covid as an excuse for trump's poor economic performance, but you refuse to factor it into any assessment of Biden. You just continue to show your unrelenting bias.

And again, thanks for posting the data to validate everything that I said. You reminded me of MTG the other day, railing on Biden for rebuilding infrastructure and helping the poor. He used it as a commercial.

You are the best!

Here you go:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APUS49B74714

Feel free to pick any year before the pandemic if you like.

I didn't validate anything you said. Your warped reality does that all on its own.

Here's the thing man...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bid...l-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

This isn't Republican spin. This isn't even all Republicans united to hate Bide in spite of his brilliance. Just keep on keeping on in the land of Oz and run on this ridiculous mess we have. It's so much more than just one thing. And the reality is the conditions that caused a lot of this aren't Biden's fault. They are things that just are. But at some point we decided to blame/credit the President for the economy and this is what we have.

As someone who actively participates in the economy and works with families who are trying to navigate a very complicated landscape today, things aren't great. They aren't even good. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of uncertainty. You aren't going to be able to outrun that with your fake statements.

Have a blessed day!

 

[OleFastball]

Border apprehensions = down
inflation rate = down
gas prices = down
jobs = way up
us manufacturing jobs = way, way, way, way up
stock market = up

Prognosis = Bidenomics works.

Our recovery has far outpaced the rest of the developed world. We need four more years of Biden; we cannot afford to let trump **** it all up again.

inflation down? Down from what? That is ridiculous to think that inflation is down under Biden. Pure Horsestuff.

 

[nytigerfan]

Here you go:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APUS49B74714

Feel free to pick any year before the pandemic if you like.

I didn't validate anything you said. Your warped reality does that all on its own.

Here's the thing man...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bid...l-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

This isn't Republican spin. This isn't even all Republicans united to hate Bide in spite of his brilliance. Just keep on keeping on in the land of Oz and run on this ridiculous mess we have. It's so much more than just one thing. And the reality is the conditions that caused a lot of this aren't Biden's fault. They are things that just are. But at some point we decided to blame/credit the President for the economy and this is what we have.

As someone who actively participates in the economy and works with families who are trying to navigate a very complicated landscape today, things aren't great. They aren't even good. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of uncertainty. You aren't going to be able to outrun that with your fake statements.

Have a blessed day!

All the data points in my original post are trending in the right direction (maybe I will give you gas since it has upticked this summer, which it always does). But still much lower than the previous year, no?

The pandemic affected everything, everywhere. Biden has led the recovery here much faster than in most of the developed world.

I don't give a **** about consumer confidence. Most consumers in this country are ******* idiots. The people you are referencing are probably watching fix news every night, so no wonder they lack confidence in where we are as a country.

Everything I said was true. All of those metrics are trending in the right direction under Biden's leadership. Your data proved it. Thanks again for that.

 

[nytigerfan]

Here you go:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APUS49B74714

Feel free to pick any year before the pandemic if you like.

I didn't validate anything you said. Your warped reality does that all on its own.

Here's the thing man...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bid...l-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

This isn't Republican spin. This isn't even all Republicans united to hate Bide in spite of his brilliance. Just keep on keeping on in the land of Oz and run on this ridiculous mess we have. It's so much more than just one thing. And the reality is the conditions that caused a lot of this aren't Biden's fault. They are things that just are. But at some point we decided to blame/credit the President for the economy and this is what we have.

As someone who actively participates in the economy and works with families who are trying to navigate a very complicated landscape today, things aren't great. They aren't even good. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of uncertainty. You aren't going to be able to outrun that with your fake statements.

Have a blessed day!

And I forgot to mention, Joe Biden is even significantly reducing the trade deficit with China. We are forecasted to have a $250M gap this year. The average under trumpty was $360M, and that even includes the COVID year, when it dropped significantly due to china's lockdowns.

All real Americans should be celebrating this.

Way to go Joe!

 

[dpic73]

Edit: I also forgot to add that Goldman Sachs just released a report saying they're lowering the odds the US actually hits a recession, so 10 points to JOETUS.

They obviously have not spoken to @PalmettoTiger1 , @Willence , @jakefest , and the rest of the TI top economists. They have been telling us that we have already been in a recession for the past year.

Don't forget this lunatic who's holed up in his fallout shelter
His last line is pure gold haha

https://clemson.forums.rivals.com/threads/who-here-is-in-a-sales-role.256103/post-5453030

 

[other1]

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...nce-charged-again-eliyahu-eli-weinstein2023-7

 

[dpic73]

Yep, understandable. But no one who understands the peril our democracy is facing, that understands the facts of the economy, the constitution, justice and the law, and history, can possibly vote for Trump or DeSantis. You can.....and I do....disagree with many Biden and Democrat policies, but to choose Trump or DeSantis is the ultimate betrayal to this country.

You got that right brother- policies matter but it's about a hell of a lot more than that this time around.

Trump’s plans for 2025 sound like a vengeful disaster​

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...al-power-second-term-2024-autocracy-rcna95098

 

[DW4_2016]

Inflation rate by month:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

Gas price by month:

2020-Dec	12/07	2.156	12/14	2.158	12/21	2.224	12/28	2.243
2021-Jan	01/04	2.249	01/11	2.317	01/18	2.379	01/25	2.392
2021-Feb	02/01	2.409	02/08	2.461	02/15	2.501	02/22	2.633
2021-Mar	03/01	2.711	03/08	2.771	03/15	2.853	03/22	2.865	03/29	2.852
2021-Apr	04/05	2.857	04/12	2.849	04/19	2.855	04/26	2.872
2021-May	05/03	2.890	05/10	2.961	05/17	3.028	05/24	3.020	05/31	3.027
2021-Jun	06/07	3.035	06/14	3.069	06/21	3.060	06/28	3.091
2021-Jul	07/05	3.122	07/12	3.133	07/19	3.153	07/26	3.136
2021-Aug	08/02	3.159	08/09	3.172	08/16	3.174	08/23	3.145	08/30	3.139
2021-Sep	09/06	3.176	09/13	3.165	09/20	3.184	09/27	3.175
2021-Oct	10/04	3.190	10/11	3.267	10/18	3.322	10/25	3.383
2021-Nov	11/01	3.390	11/08	3.410	11/15	3.399	11/22	3.395	11/29	3.380
2021-Dec	12/06	3.341	12/13	3.315	12/20	3.295	12/27	3.275
2022-Jan	01/03	3.281	01/10	3.295	01/17	3.306	01/24	3.323	01/31	3.368
2022-Feb	02/07	3.444	02/14	3.487	02/21	3.530	02/28	3.608
2022-Mar	03/07	4.102	03/14	4.315	03/21	4.239	03/28	4.231
2022-Apr	04/04	4.170	04/11	4.091	04/18	4.066	04/25	4.107
2022-May	05/02	4.182	05/09	4.328	05/16	4.491	05/23	4.593	05/30	4.624
2022-Jun	06/06	4.876	06/13	5.006	06/20	4.962	06/27	4.872
2022-Jul	07/04	4.771	07/11	4.646	07/18	4.490	07/25	4.330
2022-Aug	08/01	4.192	08/08	4.038	08/15	3.938	08/22	3.880	08/29	3.827
2022-Sep	09/05	3.746	09/12	3.690	09/19	3.654	09/26	3.711
2022-Oct	10/03	3.782	10/10	3.912	10/17	3.871	10/24	3.769	10/31	3.742
2022-Nov	11/07	3.796	11/14	3.762	11/21	3.648	11/28	3.534
2022-Dec	12/05	3.390	12/12	3.239	12/19	3.120	12/26	3.091
2023-Jan	01/02	3.223	01/09	3.259	01/16	3.310	01/23	3.415	01/30	3.489
2023-Feb	02/06	3.444	02/13	3.390	02/20	3.379	02/27	3.342
2023-Mar	03/06	3.389	03/13	3.456	03/20	3.422	03/27	3.421
2023-Apr	04/03	3.497	04/10	3.596	04/17	3.663	04/24	3.656
2023-May	05/01	3.600	05/08	3.533	05/15	3.536	05/22	3.534	05/29	3.571
2023-Jun	06/05	3.541	06/12	3.595	06/19	3.577	06/26	3.571
2023-Jul	07/03	3.527	07/10	3.546	07/17	3.559

Also reference strategic oil reserve levels:

U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR (Thousand Barrels)

Employment:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Manufacturing jobs:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Stock market:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

Real earnings:

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q2 2026 about full-time, salaries, earnings, workers, 16 years +, wages, median, employment, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Leftists say: "I'm going to burn your house down and then rebuild a lesser version and take credit for giving you a home!"

posting **** that makes a lot of the other guys points and claiming victory. nice work.

wait, when do you think Biden took office? are you one of those guys who wonders why Obama didn't do **** for our nation on 9/11?

 

[iceheart08]

if you really and truly can push the button for Biden, then I am speechless.

Given that your admitting to being literally incapable of putting yourself in someone else's shoes to understand why they might make a decision, nobody should be surprised that you can't come up with words type.

 

[Kelbo]

It's truly sad that neither party will run a better candidate. What's nuts is the one Republican running I will never vote for is the one guy who the Republicans are gonna nominate. I truly don't love Biden, but I have faith that at least the team around him will be fine, and better than anything a Trump presidency will bring. As @Willence stated, a second Trump presidency would be a **** storm that is scary to think about.

Can you imagine the next virus?

 

[dpic73]

Can you imagine the next virus?

No, the Trump virus was bad enough!

 

[iceheart08]

Till I'm blue in the face:

Biden beats trump
Biden loses to any other serious republican candidate.
Trump will not win.

You think people won't be excited to vote? You are right. Unless trump is on the ballot. They will vote against trump. And his base continues to dwindle. Look at their posts above. Their devotion and language is indecipherable from parody.

 

[dannyford]

Edit: I also forgot to add that Goldman Sachs just released a report saying they're lowering the odds the US actually hits a recession, so 10 points to JOETUS.

They obviously have not spoken to @PalmettoTiger1 , @Willence , @jakefest , and the rest of the TI top economists. They have been telling us that we have already been in a recession for the past year.

We were in a recession late last year but your boy decided to tweak the definition when we had two consecutive quarters of no GDP growth.

But good for America, I'll allow it

 

[nytigerfan]

Here you go:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APUS49B74714

Feel free to pick any year before the pandemic if you like.

I didn't validate anything you said. Your warped reality does that all on its own.

Here's the thing man...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bid...l-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

This isn't Republican spin. This isn't even all Republicans united to hate Bide in spite of his brilliance. Just keep on keeping on in the land of Oz and run on this ridiculous mess we have. It's so much more than just one thing. And the reality is the conditions that caused a lot of this aren't Biden's fault. They are things that just are. But at some point we decided to blame/credit the President for the economy and this is what we have.

As someone who actively participates in the economy and works with families who are trying to navigate a very complicated landscape today, things aren't great. They aren't even good. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of uncertainty. You aren't going to be able to outrun that with your fake statements.

Have a blessed day!

By the way, I love how you say that the growth of manufacturing jobs is because of what trump did, not Biden. But when it comes to the debacle in Afghanistan, none of what trump did (including negotiating with the m'f'n taliban to take over), had anything to do with it. It was all on Biden.

When it is convenient for your argument, the decisions trump made three years ago affected what happens today. But all the bad stuff started on Biden's first day in office.