One Serious Weapon

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The guy is a moron! The NWO used this to kill those people…
4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski's Red Terror look like children at play.
Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
 

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
You do realize that the people committing these terrible crimes have less firepower than Law Enforcement right? The AR-15’s are not automatic. They are semi automatic like any other civilian firearm. 1 trigger pull equals 1 round fired. Law Enforcement on the other hand does in fact have automatic weapons. Body armor covers the chest area. It’s not a full body covering armor. The Uvalde police didn’t go in because they were cowards and poorly trained.
 

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
The cops in Uvalde had ARs, ballistic shields and body armor while they stood in the hallway listening to kids being shot. A lot went seriously wrong that day but the cops being outgunned was not one of them.

My son is a cop and there is no damn way he follows orders and stands down while shots are ringing out inside a school nor would I if I was in that situation. The mere thought of children dying should spur any normal person into action regardless of the circumstances. I honestly don't know how those cops can sleep at night knowing they did nothing for well over an hour while children were dying.

I have huge problem with sorry *** Democrats trying to advance their gun control agenda while they haven't done a single damn thing to ensure the schools in America are damn near impenetrable to those who wish to harm children. Every mass shooting doesn't involve an AR or AK but every damn one involves an evil heart.
 

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
Not sure if serious, but if I were going against the guy in Uvalde, I'd rather have a good shotgun honestly. Less overpenetration risk and quicker.
 

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.

why do people who know nothing about guns try to insert themselves into gun conversations?

I hope this is a troll because if you honestly still think AR-15 is an automatic rifle you should see your way out
 

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The cops in Uvalde had ARs, ballistic shields and body armor while they stood in the hallway listening to kids being shot. A lot went seriously wrong that day but the cops being outgunned was not one of them.

My son is a cop and there is no damn way he follows orders and stands down while shots are ringing out inside a school nor would I if I was in that situation. The mere thought of children dying should spur any normal person into action regardless of the circumstances. I honestly don't know how those cops can sleep at night knowing they did nothing for well over an hour while children were dying.

I have huge problem with sorry *** Democrats trying to advance their gun control agenda while they haven't done a single damn thing to ensure the schools in America are damn near impenetrable to those who wish to harm children. Every mass shooting doesn't involve an AR or AK but every damn one involves an evil heart.
Not to mention the one cop who did want to go in, was disarmed by the other LEOs and escorted out of the school.

There was apparently a LOT of miscommunication during that event.
 

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I am all for the 2nd amendment and gun rights, but even I have some trouble with this if accurate. Anything designed specifically to defeat body armor should be for military and law enforcement use only, but it's very difficult to regulate. It's one of those things if you give an inch on gun control they will take a mile. I have no issue with AR ownership by civilian population. I own multiple guns and support all ownership.
 
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I am all for the 2nd amendment and gun rights, but even I have some trouble with this if accurate. Anything designed specifically to defeat body armor should be for military and law enforcement use only, but it's very difficult to regulate. It's one of those things if you give an inch on gun control they will take a mile. I have no issue with AR ownership by civilian population. I own multiple guns and support all ownership.

mid have to research the gun because I’m not familiar with it but this article is clearly written from one side and that side is pretty against guns so I would imagine there is some exaggeration in there
 

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Wrong board.
 
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My knowledge of guns pertains solely to the shotguns and rifles I own for hunting.
But even I know that AR-15's and the like are not automatic weapons. They aren't "weapons of war", as some like to proclaim. The .308 I hunt with is a more powerful weapon than an AR-15.
While I agree that we have a major problem in this country, the type of weapon used isn't the problem. The sick sonofabitches that keep doing this are. And I've yet to see where any of these people were card carrying members of the NRA.
 

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mid have to research the gun because I’m not familiar with it but this article is clearly written from one side and that side is pretty against guns so I would imagine there is some exaggeration in there
Oh no doubt...i dont believe anything in an article written like this one. You lose all credibility when this slanted to one side.
 

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I am all for the 2nd amendment and gun rights, but even I have some trouble with this if accurate. Anything designed specifically to defeat body armor should be for military and law enforcement use only, but it's very difficult to regulate. It's one of those things if you give an inch on gun control they will take a mile. I have no issue with AR ownership by civilian population. I own multiple guns and support all ownership.
The weapon is actually designed to have more long-range power. One lesson from Desert Storm/OIF/Etc is that future conflicts may require longer range weapons. This new system gives you that. It also uses a hybrid brass/steel casing, which gives the casing more strength to withstand the higher pressures.
 

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I don’t know much about the specific details of all weapons. But much like I say to liberals about their progressive actions and what their ultimate goals are.
“If you aren’t able to define limits, you are an extremist.”

Both groups come in with incredible defense of “their” issues. But neither are able to promote what’s best to serve a civil society. “It’s my rights……. **** society…… I love the USA”

Are any gun advocates able to articulate what weapons a citizen should have and who should have them or should we expect this debate to continue for another 40, 100, 1000+ years while waste away on emotional ****** social progressive agendas and why I should have 2 tanks in my driveway, HOA be damned?

(please note, I support the 2nd Amendment. I also support lawn darts as originally designed!!! Count me out at RPGs)

I also support mental health but it’s tough to do while there is a report every week of another mass shooting.

(Then people ask why we have mental health crisis while constantly stoking fear with COVID/weapons/biological men in women restroom and sport/eliminating women’s right to choose/promoting Rx drug use over fitness.)

Both sides are so got damn paranoid about losing “their” rights and making money off of the sub100 IQ that both are in the business of restricting rights of everyone else.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me why I have no respect for libs and pubs, they literally do not give a **** about anyone else….. really.
 

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I don’t know much about the specific details of all weapons. But much like I say to liberals about their progressive actions and what their ultimate goals are.
“If you aren’t able to define limits, you are an extremist.”

Both groups come in with incredible defense of “their” issues. But neither are able to promote what’s best to serve a civil society. “It’s my rights……. **** society…… I love the USA”

Are any gun advocates able to articulate what weapons a citizen should have and who should have them or should we expect this debate to continue for another 40, 100, 1000+ years while waste away on emotional ****** social progressive agendas and why I should have 2 tanks in my driveway, HOA be damned?

(please note, I support the 2nd Amendment. I also support lawn darts as originally designed!!! Count me out at RPGs)

I also support mental health but it’s tough to do while there is a report every week of another mass shooting.

(Then people ask why we have mental health crisis while constantly stoking fear with COVID/weapons/biological men in women restroom and sport/eliminating women’s right to choose/promoting Rx drug use over fitness.)

Both sides are so got damn paranoid about losing “their” rights and making money off of the sub100 IQ that both are in the business of restricting rights of everyone else.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me why I have no respect for libs and pubs, they literally do not give a **** about anyone else….. really.
Most of these atrocities are committed with illegal weapons, as is most gun violence. I believe that detail gets lost on most people.
 

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Most of these atrocities are committed with illegal weapons, as is most gun violence. I believe that detail gets lost on most people.

I promise I’m not being argumentative. Unfortunately for me, facts are my #1 priority above my own opinions. I do respect your opinions even though we draw different conclusions but if we don’t have agreement on facts, we have don’t have anything. Unless you can cite something else that, there’s a foundation issue here.
(I’ll also add, how weapons are obtained doesn’t address the LIMIT of what type of weapons should be allowed.)

From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases, according to a comprehensive survey of law enforcement data, academic papers and news accounts compiled by the National Institute of Justice, the research wing of the Justice Department.
 

Jwilliamsiii

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I promise I’m not being argumentative. Unfortunately for me, facts are my #1 priority above my own opinions. I do respect your opinions even though we draw different conclusions but if we don’t have agreement on facts, we have don’t have anything. Unless you can cite something else that, there’s a foundation issue here.
(I’ll also add, how weapons are obtained doesn’t address the LIMIT of what type of weapons should be allowed.)

From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases, according to a comprehensive survey of law enforcement data, academic papers and news accounts compiled by the National Institute of Justice, the research wing of the Justice Department.
That appears to be a good source.

But what is classified as a 'Legal' purchase up front may not tell the whole story. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
indicates that
Of the known mass shooting cases (32.5% of cases could not be confirmed), 77% of those who engaged in mass shootings purchased at least some of their guns legally, while illegal purchases were made by 13% of those committing mass shootings. In cases involving K-12 school shootings, over 80% of individuals who engaged in shootings stole guns from family members.
 
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SDTiger9

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That appears to be a good source.

But what is classified as a 'Legal' purchase up front may not tell the whole story. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
indicates that
Of the known mass shooting cases (32.5% of cases could not be confirmed), 77% of those who engaged in mass shootings purchased at least some of their guns legally, while illegal purchases were made by 13% of those committing mass shootings. In cases involving K-12 school shootings, over 80% of individuals who engaged in shootings stole guns from family members.
We can talk legal Vs illegal weapon purchases all day, still doesn’t address what type of weapons should be allowed.

It’s like the historical drug trade. There was a baseline respect that you were buying clean coke heroin whatever. Now….. might have fentanyl, good luck.

There comes a point where we as humans have OVERSTEPPED OUR BOUNDS of human INTEREST.

There is no such thing as weapon PROTECTION or DEFENSE now. It’s ASSAULT and a 1 UP game. And those who say they are for RESPONSIBLE FOR GUN RIGHTS are no longer for PROTECTION and DEFENSE. They are for ASSAULT PROLIFERATION as they refuse to keep FENTANYL out of weapon distribution for the sake of “2nd Amendment” rights.

(I repeat, you are an extremist if you cannot define boundaries.)
 

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
This guy is an emotional thinker who is susceptible to choicely-worded propaganda like the one in OP’s link. But hey, that’s half the country these days
 

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I am all for the 2nd amendment and gun rights, but even I have some trouble with this if accurate. Anything designed specifically to defeat body armor should be for military and law enforcement use only, but it's very difficult to regulate. It's one of those things if you give an inch on gun control they will take a mile. I have no issue with AR ownership by civilian population. I own multiple guns and support all ownership.
Every hunting rifle I own will penetrate lvl 3 body armor except my 22 rifels and AR-15's. They are all more deadly. The AR 15 looks cool and dangerous so the media clings to it and the public fears it
 
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Every hunting rifle I own will penetrate lvl 3 body armor except my 22 rifels and AR-15's. They are all more deadly. The AR 15 looks cool and dangerous so the media clings to it and the public fears it
This. It’s hilarious how they always go after the AR-15, but never mention an AR-10, AK-47, etc

I remember listening to Biden speak not long after Sandy Hook, and he was harping on AR-15 owners and said something to the effect of “what do you need this weapon of war for, if you want to protect your home get a shotgun”

I was just dumbfounded and sat back and thought thank god that freak didn’t have a shotgun, the devastation could have been much worse. That’s when I started becoming very suspicious of the anti-gun mob. Their arguments make zero sense

So either they truly are just completely ignorant or they have ulterior motives
 
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areeves

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Why do you think the police waited so long to take out the shooter in Uvalde? The average policeman is already outgunned by these psycho’s with automatic military type weapons. These murderers have access to body armor and
large capacity magazines, Sounds like you and others on here don’t have a problem with mass killing.
Shut up! The reason why they waited so long to respond is because the people in charge are NWO & they wanted the most casualties possible to help the NWO’s Agenda in creating enough public outcry to pass legislation to confiscate our guns. Wake up!!!
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Shut up! The reason why they waited so long to respond is because the people in charge are NWO & they wanted the most casualties possible to help the NWO’s Agenda in creating enough public outcry to pass legislation to confiscate our guns. Wake up!!!
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well, they've completely fvcked that one up. 21 dead and no new gun laws. don't worry, there isn't any chance they will make new restrictions.
 

areeves

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well, they've completely fvcked that one up. 21 dead and no new gun laws. don't worry, there isn't any chance they will make new restrictions.
Yes there is, they’ve secretly passed some gun laws where confiscation will be lawful. These shootings will continue until they have enough public outcry to pass gun laws where our guns can be confiscated
 
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