California blackouts

tigerc

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Green New Deal. Burn up in the summer and freeze your *** off during the winter.
 

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Cali has the 1st or 2nd most Republicans in the nation. HTH
Just because it says they’re Republican, doesn’t mean they’re conservative. John McCain (Committee of 300), Mitt Romney (33 Degree Mason) Both Bush’s (Committee of 300 & Skull & Bones) are all listed Republicans but All are Liberal & in The NWO!
 

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This is what has surprised me being out here since March, how many people that I've talked to are Republican.

Every person that works for our company that lives in Cali are Republicans and say that there’s way more out there than what you’d think.
 
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California switched to only solar and wind for electricity... how are they supposed to be running at full capacity 24/7 when 10 hours a day they don’t produce electricity?

The California government blames PG&E, but all the ridiculous restrictions the state puts on them makes it impossible for PG&E to do anything besides be the fall guy.

Aka California is run by a bunch of morons and finger pointers.
No, it didn’t. But yes, CA is led by some of the worst leaders in the US.
 

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If you guys don't live in California, why do you care? Believe me, Californians don't spend any energy wishing ill will toward South Carolinians.
I have a hard time believing that, considering CA is the leader of the movement go ban state travel to other states that aren’t as progressive as they are. As much as southerners complain about CA, they don’t do anything quite that ridiculous.
 

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I wasn't sure if this thread was a 'Blackout' like at a USuC game and the jersey thing, or this was a Black Lives Matter (BLM) topic with something occurring in Portland, OR?

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Listen up, You little Liberal, I’ll meet you anytime, any place & I’ll desecrate You! Just the name time & the place!
so you think @ChicagoTiger85 is a "sacred place or thing"


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my95GTHO

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We’re less than a decade away from no coal in the Carolinas, if not sooner.
@southerncaltiger
It will most likely be greatly reduced in the next 10 years but it will not go away. With the lack of natural gas pipelines in SC, there's no way to eliminate all the coal capacity. It doesn't hurt that coal keeps getting cheaper due to the stations that have closed in the last decade, coal units in the Carolinas are currently competitive with simple cycle gas units.
 

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California switched to only solar and wind for electricity... how are they supposed to be running at full capacity 24/7 when 10 hours a day they don’t produce electricity?

The California government blames PG&E, but all the ridiculous restrictions the state puts on them makes it impossible for PG&E to do anything besides be the fall guy.

Aka California is run by a bunch of morons and finger pointers.

i thought trump lifted those stupid obama environmental policies that are causing these blackouts?
 

my95GTHO

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Fire up the coal burner for a few hours.
Coal units, depending on the size, generally take between 4-24 hours from the call to initiate start up to actually be online producing power. If the unit was recently online, week or less, it will be a little faster.

Once they synchronize with the grid, depending on how long they were offline, it will take hours longer to run at full capacity.

Coal units are meant to run around the clock, the less they run, the more unreliable they become.

As you can see, they can't be used for emergency short term peaking, that's where natural gas shines.
 

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Bill Johnson. What were thy thinking? His track record is quite less than stellar.
I was at Progress Energy when he was there. So essentially he was my boss. Way down the chain of course. I don't really have an opinion on him, but as I recall, he played football at Penn State. So not a true southerner I don't think.
 
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I was at Progress Energy when he was there. So essentially he was my boss. Way down the chain of course. I don't really have an opinion on him, but as I recall, he played football at Penn State. So not a true southerner I don't think.

Always remember that you were at SCANA, but forgot that you also were at Progress (duh, on me..."Raleigh" should have reminded me). Yeah, my former VP was one of his right-hand folks at Progress. He seems like a pretty genuine guy, but as I said earlier ITT, he just didn't mesh well out here.
 
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Coal units, depending on the size, generally take between 4-24 hours from the call to initiate start up to actually be online producing power. If the unit was recently online, week or less, it will be a little faster.

Once they synchronize with the grid, depending on how long they were offline, it will take hours longer to run at full capacity.

Coal units are meant to run around the clock, the less they run, the more unreliable they become.

As you can see, they can't be used for emergency short term peaking, that's where natural gas shines.

Great points. Fit for purpose/fit for design, right? You wouldn't buy a Ferrari to be a grocery-getter/taxi for the kids (Recognizing that many TI members own them, though). Baseload-desiged plants shouldn't be used as peakers.
 
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Coal units, depending on the size, generally take between 4-24 hours from the call to initiate start up to actually be online producing power. If the unit was recently online, week or less, it will be a little faster.

Once they synchronize with the grid, depending on how long they were offline, it will take hours longer to run at full capacity.

Coal units are meant to run around the clock, the less they run, the more unreliable they become.

As you can see, they can't be used for emergency short term peaking, that's where natural gas shines.

I thought new FERC Regs lean towards hydro for peak loads to maintain riverine aquatic species, water conservation and lake front property values?
 
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i thought trump lifted those stupid obama environmental policies that are causing these blackouts?

Naw. Not all of them were stupid, and as I mentioned earlier ITT, his policies didn't drive California to pursue more aggressive timelines for their policies. Fed policies didn't cause our blackouts.
 
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Naw. Not all of them were stupid, and as I mentioned earlier ITT, his policies didn't drive California to pursue more aggressive timelines for their policies. Fed policies didn't cause our blackouts.


hey what is going on with gov newsome and that $3 million dollar mansion his brother gave him last year that he didnt pay property taxes on??

is that a big deal?



 
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I thought new FERC Regs lean towards hydro for peak loads to maintain riverine aquatic species, water conservation and lake front property values?

Hydro for peak loads is great...when it's available. For us, if we get poor snowfall in the Sierra, it not only eff's up my fly fishing in late August, but it also leads to decreased availability for cheap electric power during late summer/early fall heat waves.

Irrespective of your views on Climate Change, as things get warmer, the topology of the Sierra snowpack (or any mountain chain that stores snowpack) decreases. That's not good. Combine that with the fact that geologically, the soil layers in the Sierra are thin. That means that the unconfined aquifer storage is pretty limited. Essentially, once the snow melts, it forms runoff & is "gone". This is all highly simplified, but you get the idea.
 
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so he is selling his for $6 million

gifted one for $3 million with no taxes

pockets $3 million on sell of old one

thats a nice gig

all while serving as governor working to fix the homeless crisis

i love DEMOCRATS

i didnt look

but i bet both mansions

are FENCED to keep out americans
 

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Hydro for peak loads is great...when it's available. For us, if we get poor snowfall in the Sierra, it not only eff's up my fly fishing in late August, but it also leads to decreased availability for cheap electric power during late summer/early fall heat waves.

Irrespective of your views on Climate Change, as things get warmer, the topology of the Sierra snowpack (or any mountain chain that stores snowpack) decreases. That's not good. Combine that with the fact that geologically, the soil layers in the Sierra are thin. That means that the unconfined aquifer storage is pretty limited. Essentially, once the snow melts, it forms runoff & is "gone". This is all highly simplified, but you get the idea.


man these things

1-----i wish we would focus on solar power

there is no reason every home in america cannot have a solar backup or primary system by now.

we have the resources. a good business man could make it work

2----i wish we would focus on turning saltwater into freshwater. this would solve alot of the worlds water issues

3--- i wish we would focus on getting ownership of the natural resources on mars
that would fix the checkbook on the first day of ownership

4---i wish we would focus on infrastructure

nope

we are bytching about race

go figure
 
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Hydro for peak loads is great...when it's available. For us, if we get poor snowfall in the Sierra, it not only eff's up my fly fishing in late August, but it also leads to decreased availability for cheap electric power during late summer/early fall heat waves.

Irrespective of your views on Climate Change, as things get warmer, the topology of the Sierra snowpack (or any mountain chain that stores snowpack) decreases. That's not good. Combine that with the fact that geologically, the soil layers in the Sierra are thin. That means that the unconfined aquifer storage is pretty limited. Essentially, once the snow melts, it forms runoff & is "gone". This is all highly simplified, but you get the idea.

So they ruined the country's food basket by letting too many people in because of the great weather - as long as you have enough water?
 

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Every person that works for our company that lives in Cali are Republicans and say that there’s way more out there than what you’d think.


yea as much crap as i talk about california i do think 30% of the population lean republican but not too cozy with conservatives

moderate republicans can do well with the right message
 
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So they ruined the country's food basket by letting too many people in because of the great weather - as long as you have enough water?[..

In the West, “The Golden Rule” applies. He that owns the Gold makes the rules. In this case the “gold” is water. The classic Nicholson movie “Chinatown” is fiction, correct? Ha ha ha. No, not really. I would argue that the history of water in California is nearly as interesting as the history of gold, though not as well publicized.
 

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It will most likely be greatly reduced in the next 10 years but it will not go away. With the lack of natural gas pipelines in SC, there's no way to eliminate all the coal capacity. It doesn't hurt that coal keeps getting cheaper due to the stations that have closed in the last decade, coal units in the Carolinas are currently competitive with simple cycle gas units.
I hope you’re right. Otherwise, we’ll be right where CA is. Won’t happen often, but an unusually hot or cold weather pattern with traditional units not performing will put us in the same spot.
 
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I thought new FERC Regs lean towards hydro for peak loads to maintain riverine aquatic species, water conservation and lake front property values?

New FERC regs definitely want to protect aquatic life. From what I've seen they mandate higher volumes of water being released around the clock, not just on peak.

I hope you’re right. Otherwise, we’ll be right where CA is. Won’t happen often, but an unusually hot or cold weather pattern with traditional units not performing will put us in the same spot.

SC is in a much better place than California when it comes to traditional power production.
 
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