Just heard from my daughter, a current Clemson student, that apparently the student government voted to change the name of Tillman Hall last night. Seriously?
Apparently Tillman name getting changed?
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Why would the university give a group of 18-22-year-old kids the power to make such a massive change, and have it done in one simple meeting? Doesn't check out.
I'm sure it's not finalized. The original name was Old Main. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Even if not finalized, is it the student council who gets the final say? Who else would be involved in the process? Are people still all "REEE! RACISM!! REEE!!" over the whole deal? Is that why we've been discussing this for the past seven years?
I’m just surprised that AmericasWorstNightmare1-4 were already taken
Not sure they have any power to make these sort of decisions.
Sorry I thought you wrote oldman above just put my glasses on. That's why I said I feel your pain. I thought you were younger.
If it’s gonna be changed the only logical option is Old Main
You should read up on Tillman.
Because there's racism and then there is what he was. Which is waaaaay worse than racist.
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Thanks. I'm having a touch time seeing more and more gray hairs. I'll be looking like Obama here in the next 5 years or so. Lol
Does this building not fall under the state/public building statute that makes changing the name a fairly difficult and lengthy process?
Students are probably taking the position along the lines of "The SC Legislature can call it whatever it wants, but we're going to refer to it as 'Old Main'."
I'm one of the folks who hates the overly-sensitive, "I cannot wait to be offended today," part of society. However, from what I know about Tillman, he was a reprehensible human being. I want the name changed, just so that folks can move on. Ben Tillman shouldn't be honored by Clemson.
If you want to fight the PC culture, fine. But Ben Tillman isn't the "hill to die on."
The "vote to change" was very likely a symbolic resolution as CUSG does not have official naming authority.
Now y'all don't let that nuance get in the way of a good millennial triggering and outrage.
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I say rename/return it to the Old Main Building, and I am right of Barry Goldwater on most issues.
Just a senseless thing to defend.
Just a senseless thing to defend.
Coincidence that the person who won the 1.5 billion lottery came forward yesterday and now we are hearing about a name change to an iconic building on campus...hmmmm
I was in student senate. The student gov is pretty much powerless. They’re mostly just making recommendations. So if this is true it’s lokely just the student senate saying they believe the name should be changed. Really doesn’t mean much.
Probably a resolution to have it changed. Means nothing really. I think only the state legislature can change the name. BoT can't even do it alone.
You could always dye your hair orange.
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Without Pitchfork Ben there would no Clemson.
It’s true. I really was the worst.
This stuff pisses me off. Yes most all of our forefathers were racist to some degree or another. Many of the founding fathers owned slaves and all discriminated against women, etc. You can’t change the past. Learn from their mistakes and move forward. If you changed the names on buildings, took down monuments, removed whatever said flag, symbol, etc. that offend certain groups or individuals you would literally have no history.
Learn from the past, acknowledge mistakes and move forward.
Learn from the past, acknowledge mistakes and move forward.
If you are so anti-PC that you don't want to change the name of Tillman Hall, but then you lose your mind over someone kneeling during a football game, you are really telling on yourself.
And if you really want to keep Tillman Hall, you might want to read up on the Hamburg Massacre, the Redshirts, the 1895 SC constitutional convention, etc. etc. etc. The man was a gleeful terrorist that bragged about killing African-Americans and set up policies that would disenfrachise blacks until at least the Civil Rights Act and likely beyond.
And if you really want to keep Tillman Hall, you might want to read up on the Hamburg Massacre, the Redshirts, the 1895 SC constitutional convention, etc. etc. etc. The man was a gleeful terrorist that bragged about killing African-Americans and set up policies that would disenfrachise blacks until at least the Civil Rights Act and likely beyond.
The people in here who have researched and know who Tillman was as a person and are still ok with the most recognizable building on campus being named after him are a “special” kind of person.
The problem is they never get enough. It starts and NEVER ends.
Owning slaves and being disrespectful to women is not the same as being a domestic terrorist and murderer.
As an almunus with a history degree from Clemson, I can say that there would have been no way I could have ever graduated had I not [checks notes] cited building names, statues, plaques on statues stating history has seen by folks supporting the Lost Cause version of the Civil War, and flags on poles on my essays and research papers.
Glad to see you waited 9 years until the perfect time for your first post.
Are you asking if a powerful white man in the state of South Carolina was convicted of murdering black people during Reconstruction? Seriously?