Mass shooting in Buffalo - ten dead

[psuro]

10 dead in Buffalo supermarket attack police call hate crime

A white 18-year-old wearing military gear and livestreaming with a helmet camera opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, killing 10 people and wounding three others Saturday in what auth...

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[BW Lion]

I found this on another website.



and another link to his manifesto

 

[BobPSU92]

I found this on another website.



and another link to his manifesto

Those posts are from March. When did the guy first see them, and did he call the police (or report them to the football coach)?

 

[BW Lion]

Those posts are from March. When did the guy first see them, and did he call the police (or report them to the football coach)?

Who knows? I found the links on a website that is good for breaking news.

 

[91Joe95]

Who knows? I found the links on a website that is good for breaking news.

So not cnn? It's nice to see Google finally flagged the manifesto as a problem. Timely.

 

[91Joe95]

The cops apparently talked him out of killing himself.

 

[Nitt1300]

The cops apparently talked him out of killing himself.

why?

 

[NittPicker]

Reports say the guy is from Conklin, NY, which is just north of the PA border near Binghamton. There must be some sort of connection there because he could have made bigger headlines if he made the shorter drive to NYC and did the same thing. And it would have been even faster to drive to Philadelphia but the guy must have wanted to stay in New York state.

 

[BobPSU92]

Reports say the guy is from Conklin, NY, which is just north of the PA border near Binghamton. There must be some sort of connection there because he could have made bigger headlines if he made the shorter drive to NYC and did the same thing. And it would have been even faster to drive to Philadelphia but the guy must have wanted to stay in New York state.

There are no Tops food stores in NYC or Philly.

 

[psuro]

An act of terrorism .

 

[nittanymoops]

Shortly after the Charleston, S.C., church shooting, I was driving US 17 South from Myrtle Beach thru Charleston and down to where it meets I-95. It was a Sunday morning. As anyone familiar with the route can tell you, there are numerous small, primarily black churches along the road. And every one that was open had armed men standing out front. I've often thought of that day and unfortunately just had to shake my head. It's times like this that I don't recognize the America that I read about in history books. Where does this absolute venomous hatred come from? Prayers to Buffalo, and, really, to us all.

 

[91Joe95]

He live streamed the rampage.

Twitch deletes shooter’s live-stream video of Buffalo mass shooting

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) — The gunman who killed 10 people Saturday in a mass shooting at the Jefferson Avenue Tops Markets location was live-streaming on the internet, authorities said in a pres…

www.wivb.com

 

[rudedude]

I worked for NY state in Binghamton for many years running a developmental clinic where we evaluated young children with developmental delays in a 5 county area. My memory may be faulty, but the last name, Gendron, sounds familiar to me. I wonder if this teenager was once seen through our clinic. I may be wrong, but it wouldn’t surprise me. He is a disturbed young man.

 

[psykim]

tough part of this is that they had a security officer who had a gun and was trained to use it. However, the shooter wore body armor and had an assault weapon-security guard was tragically killed trying to defend the store. The shooter's body armor kept him alive-to kill others-after the security guard shot him. What a horrible tragedy!

 

[Pennstatel0]

Ro I used to live 1/2 mile away from that TOPS.
so when I heard about th shooting one of the first things that caught my ear was that the shooter was a white male. His race was stated at on the first report I heard.

I also knew the neighborhood was a predominantly black neighborhood.
From there it’s pretty easy to figure out that this was a hate crime.
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[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

Ro I used to live 1/2 mile away from that TOPS.
so when I heard about th shooting one of the first things that caught my ear was that the shooter was a white male. His race was stated at on the first report I heard.

I also knew the neighborhood was a predominantly black neighborhood.
From there it’s pretty easy to figure out that this was a hate crime.
t

I got through a fair amount of his "manifesto" (all of the Q&A) before it was taken down. It was a hate crime alright. In addition to blacks and Jews, he stated something to the effect that those he hated the most were the white people who were complicit in the destruction of whites in America. He also had the hope that they could be brought back into the fold. He stated that he was not a conservative because conservativism is corporatism. He said that when he was younger he was a communist. He's only eighteen now. He wrote that if he survived, he would plead guilty. He also wrote that be didn't want to kill any police because "some are decent." It went on and on in detail to just about every question that he would be asked. His inspiration was Brenton Harrison Tarrant, the New Zealand Christchurch mosque shooter. Just some things that stood out to me. Again, my recollection is anything but literal. He put a lot of thought into all of this and is a real lone wolf.

 

[psuro]

Ro I used to live 1/2 mile away from that TOPS.
so when I heard about th shooting one of the first things that caught my ear was that the shooter was a white male. His race was stated at on the first report I heard.

I also knew the neighborhood was a predominantly black neighborhood.
From there it’s pretty easy to figure out that this was a hate crime.
t

Yes it was. My point is this - the mentioning of the race of an assailant when he is a Caucasian is a relatively new phenomenon In MSM and other circles.


i Hope no one you knew was affected.

 

[psuro]

I got through a fair amount of his "manifesto" (all of the Q&A) before it was taken down. It was a hate crime alright. In addition to blacks and Jews, he stated something to the effect that those he hated the most were the white people who were complicit in the destruction of whites in America. He also had the hope that they could be brought back into the fold. He stated that he was not a conservative because conservativism is corporatism. He said that when he was younger he was a communist. He's only eighteen now. He wrote that if he survived, he would plead guilty. He also wrote that be didn't want to kill any police because some are "decent." It went on and on in detail to just about every question that he would be asked. Just some things that stood out to me. Again, my recollection is anything but literal.

Interesting he said he would plead guilty in his manifesto.

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

Interesting he said he would plead guilty in his manifesto.

Yeah, that really stood out to me.

 

[91Joe95]

tough part of this is that they had a security officer who had a gun and was trained to use it. However, the shooter wore body armor and had an assault weapon-security guard was tragically killed trying to defend the store. The shooter's body armor kept him alive-to kill others-after the security guard shot him. What a horrible tragedy!

He looked unharmed at what I think was his arraignment. Do most supermarkets have armed security guards? I don't remember seeing any where I shop.

The news is also reporting he threatened his high-school class last year and was referred to for mental evaluation. No mention if he faced charges or was released.

 

[Midnighter]

He looked unharmed at what I think was his arraignment. Do most supermarkets have armed security guards? I don't remember seeing any where I shop.

The news is also reporting he threatened his high-school class last year and was referred to for mental evaluation. No mention if he faced charges or was released.

There aren’t any where I shop, but they do exist, as was the case here.

 

[LB99]

Can we merge this thread and the Elon Musk Twitter thread and see how it turns out? I’d like to see who defends the manifesto on social media as “free speech” and says it should have been allowed?

 

[psuro]

Can we merge this thread and the Elon Musk Twitter thread and see how it turns out? I’d like to see who defends the manifesto on social media as “free speech” and says it should have been allowed?

This is a Capital(ist) idea!

 

[91Joe95]

Can we merge this thread and the Elon Musk Twitter thread and see how it turns out? I’d like to see who defends the manifesto on social media as “free speech” and says it should have been allowed?

No need to be offended by the thread. Maybe the FBI simply ran out of agents with so many investigating all those parents who care about their child's education.

 

[LB99]

No need to be offended by the thread. Maybe the FBI simply ran out of agents with so many investigating all those parents who care about their child's education.

Not offended by the thread. Just curious how those who champion Musk and “free speech”, anti censorship feel about idiots like this that posted what he posted? Are we still all in on “free speech”?

 

[Midnighter]

Just to show the other side of the coin from the predominant vibe of the posters on this thread (predominant, not total, vibe)

Racist Republican Lawmaker Claims White Supremacist Buffalo Shooting Was False Flag

After an 18-year-old uploaded a racist manifesto before targeting Black people in a mass shooting, the shooter's fellow racists are scrambling to obfuscate the truth

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I guess it's a matter of time before someone posits this kid as the Great White Hope, and praises him for eliminating "Future Baby Eating Leftists" .

Here are the people he killed in that effort:

 

[BobPSU92]

Not offended by the thread. Just curious how those who champion Musk and “free speech”, anti censorship feel about idiots like this that posted what he posted? Are we still all in on “free speech”?

Based on when he posted his crap on Discord, there appeared to be an opportunity to stop him before he killed anyone. That could be seen as an upside to unabated free speech, but it would require people to act.

 

[91Joe95]

Not offended by the thread. Just curious how those who champion Musk and “free speech”, anti censorship feel about idiots like this that posted what he posted? Are we still all in on “free speech”?

The authorities had him last year on terroristic threats and let him go. Seeing his thoughts very well may have aided in their investigation.

 

[bbrown]

Based on when he posted his crap on Discord, there appeared to be an opportunity to stop him before he killed anyone. That could be seen as an upside to unabated free speech, but it would require people to act.

 

[Nohow]

Based on when he posted his crap on Discord, there appeared to be an opportunity to stop him before he killed anyone. That could be seen as an upside to unabated free speech, but it would require people to act.

Trouble with that reasoning is that the law can’t be monitoring all the crap that would be allowed under totally unabated free speech, while it might inspire the crazies, perhaps even creating more of them. Social media attracts the lowest common denominator and inspires the most extreme. For example, Facebook is a tool of the devil and Zuckerberg is the devil.

 

[psuro]

Trouble with that reasoning is that the law can’t be monitoring all the crap that would be allowed under totally unabated free speech, while it might inspire the crazies, perhaps even creating more of them.

Which then gets back to what the individual platforms allow and don’t allow.

 

[LB99]

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in right now in this country related to social issues and everyday behavior is because somewhere along the way, many decided it was ok to say whatever they wanted no matter how rude, condescending, inciting or untrue it was, without repercussions, while hiding behind “free speech”. Social media perpetuated this.

 

[BobPSU92]

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in right now in this country related to social issues and everyday behavior is because somewhere along the way, many decided it was ok to say whatever they wanted no matter how rude, condescending, inciting or untrue it was, without repercussions, while hiding behind “free speech”. Social media perpetuated this.

 

[LB99]

Lol. He’s off the wall sometimes. I could do without his cursing, but I think it is added for entertainment. If you watch him with the kids, he’s very good with them. My first impression of him was that he was obnoxious and rude, since then I’ve watched the kids shows and the shows where he goes to different areas to learn their local cuisine and my opinion of him changed.

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

Interesting he said he would plead guilty in his manifesto.

Payton Gendron’s Manifesto Mentions ‘Great Replacement Theory’ & Brenton Tarrant As Buffalo Mass Shooting Inspiration | News

www.thereportertimes.com

I guess he had second thoughts after discussing it with his attorneys. That might change though. The death penalty will be on the table for this one. Then again, he might be going for "martyrdom." From the above article:

"Gendron said that he understood what the charge was. But his lawyer said that he would deny it in court. As opposed to his manifesto, he rejected the charges for his crimes. But, in his manifesto, he was supposed to confess and plead guilty to his crimes."

 

[CVLion]

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in right now in this country related to social issues and everyday behavior is because somewhere along the way, many decided it was ok to say whatever they wanted no matter how rude, condescending, inciting or untrue it was, without repercussions, while hiding behind “free speech”. Social media perpetuated this.

Nail on the head. And some very high-profile people have made a habit of setting a very bad example of this.

 

[lemonears]

Since the shooter was a teen his parents should have some culpability. I'm not saying they should get life in prison but they should be charged with a lesser offense. They had to know that their a$$hole kid was prone to do this aberrant behavior and they should have some responsibility for the atrocity. We need to hold parents accountable when a kid commits a crime.

 

[psuro]

Since the shooter was a teen his parents should have some culpability. I'm not saying they should get life in prison but they should be charged with a lesser offense. They had to know that their a$$hole kid was prone to do this aberrant behavior and they should have some responsibility for the atrocity. We need to hold parents accountable when a kid commits a crime.

He is 18. A legal adult.

 

[aferrelli]

Yeah, that really stood out to me.

The kid seems to believe that he is a martyr of sorts.

 

[aferrelli]

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in right now in this country related to social issues and everyday behavior is because somewhere along the way, many decided it was ok to say whatever they wanted no matter how rude, condescending, inciting or untrue it was, without repercussions, while hiding behind “free speech”. Social media perpetuated this.

Great point.