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[Anon210980]

really people whining about this,schools have been doing this for decades in all sports!!!

 

[Anon210980]

1 year mission to play Call of Duty, i can see it now

jealous

 

[JoeBagobagels]

I heard they were called to serve among the more primitive folk in the less hospitable environs of Iowa City. Serving those in greatest need is surely the holier calling and greater sacrifice.

They went there lol.

 

[5q]

jealous

Hey They are war planning

 

[HOA242n!]

really people whining about this,schools have been doing this for decades in all sports!!!

Maybe it has happened, but Google couldn't give me a single example of an NCAA athlete that has gotten their eligibility frozen due to a religious mission not related to the LDS church. I know enough about LDS missions to understand it isn't generally a benefit to athletic development, but this specific situation really does appear to be new territory and the timing is oddly perfect to benefit PSU wrestling. It's totally within the rules, but if I wasn't a PSU wrestling fan, I'd look at it differently. Will be interesting to see if it (non-LDS missions for NCAA athletes) becomes more prevalent with all these new eligibility rules.

 

[Corby2]

Maybe it has happened, but Google couldn't give me a single example of an NCAA athlete that has gotten their eligibility frozen due to a religious mission not related to the LDS church. I know enough about LDS missions to understand it isn't generally a benefit to athletic development, but this specific situation really does appear to be new territory and the timing is oddly perfect to benefit PSU wrestling. It's totally within the rules, but if I wasn't a PSU wrestling fan, I'd look at it differently. Will be interesting to see if it (non-LDS missions for NCAA athletes) becomes more prevalent with all these new eligibility rules.

Missions are done with other religions but it's not really talked about as much as Mormon missions. In the past with RS and medical RS it just wasn't happening with athletes besides Mormons. The rule has always read official religious missions. I think the issue the wrestling world is having is that many Penn st fans are acting like this is totally normal. Everyone knows what this is let's just call it what it is. Henckel is hurt and cant compete so he's taking a mission medical. These guys were enrolled and drop classes is my understanding so this wasn't planned in August. Cole is being beat by his brother and can't get in the line up. I posted June 23 what would happen so this doesn't surprise me any. What is ridiculous to me is the other 78 D1 coaches who are afraid to use the rules

 

[RoarLions1]

Missions are done with other religions but it's not really talked about as much as Mormon missions. In the past with RS and medical RS it just wasn't happening with athletes besides Mormons. The rule has always read official religious missions. I think the issue the wrestling world is having is that many Penn st fans are acting like this is totally normal. Everyone knows what this is let's just call it what it is. Henckel is hurt and cant compete so he's taking a mission medical. These guys were enrolled and drop classes is my understanding so this wasn't planned in August. Cole is being beat by his brother and can't get in the line up. I posted June 23 what would happen so this doesn't surprise me any. What is ridiculous to me is the other 78 D1 coaches who are afraid to use the rules

From what I know, the Mormon Church encourages young men and women to take on mission work, more so than other faiths. I looked it up, and discovered that 32% take a mission assignment. I assume this "internet info" is correct, and if so is far and above what other denominations do though I am aware of other faith-based mission work.

That aside, I took the time this morning to read HR and the posts here and learned a good bit. Just ignore the snarkiness and the posts from the one-percenters (which frankly make up over half of the discussion) and there are points made in both forums that I haven't thought about. I feel, like you, that this move is within the rules, so any angst about it gets a big MEH from me. Timing is suspect, but who cares, both young men have strong faiths, so that legitimizes the mission to a large degree. I don't believe this story is over yet, the end has yet to be written.

 

[Corby2]

From what I know, the Mormon Church encourages young men and women to take on mission work, more so than other faiths. I looked it up, and discovered that 32% take a mission assignment. I assume this "internet info" is correct, and if so is far and above what other denominations do though I am aware of other faith-based mission work.

That aside, I took the time this morning to read HR and the posts here and learned a good bit. Just ignore the snarkiness and the posts from the one-percenters (which frankly make up over half of the discussion) and there are points made in both forums that I haven't thought about. I feel, like you, that this move is within the rules, so any angst about it gets a big MEH from me. Timing is suspect, but who cares, both young men have strong faiths, so that legitimizes the mission to a large degree. I don't believe this story is over yet, the end has yet to be written.

Exactly it's a rule and it's legal. You use the rules to your advantage. It was smart and I knew the minute I read the rule that Cael would use it immediately

 

[HOA242n!]

Missions are done with other religions but it's not really talked about as much as Mormon missions. In the past with RS and medical RS it just wasn't happening with athletes besides Mormons. The rule has always read official religious missions. I think the issue the wrestling world is having is that many Penn st fans are acting like this is totally normal. Everyone knows what this is let's just call it what it is. Henckel is hurt and cant compete so he's taking a mission medical. These guys were enrolled and drop classes is my understanding so this wasn't planned in August. Cole is being beat by his brother and can't get in the line up. I posted June 23 what would happen so this doesn't surprise me any. What is ridiculous to me is the other 78 D1 coaches who are afraid to use the rules

Well aware that other religions have missions, but can you find an NCAA athlete that took one and (as a result) was able to freeze their eligibility? With a quick Google search, I couldn't, but there are hundreds of LDS ones every single year (I know several dozen people personally who have done it). Henckel was going to miss the season anyway due to injury, but the timing for Mirasola is oddly perfect. I can certainly understand other programs looking at this situation side-eyed.

I don't believe other coaches are afraid to use these rules, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. It's customary for those of the LDS faith, but otherwise can't be too easy to convince someone to take a year or two off from school and sports with little benefit to them...unless there is a financial benefit (which I am still not sure is possible). I'm sitting around watching if this becomes a thing.

 

[Coastal2]

Other schools won't use this exemption often because they don't have AA level second or third stringers for the most part. At most programs, backups are backups for a reason, an extra year, especially one without being part of the team, isn't going to turn them into national champions. At Penn State, and even Ok State, some backups are backups because a national champion contender is at the weight.

Name a backup at Iowa that would gain an advantage by taking a season off.

 

[SkiSkiSki]

Well aware that other religions have missions, but can you find an NCAA athlete that took one and (as a result) was able to freeze their eligibility? With a quick Google search, I couldn't, but there are hundreds of LDS ones every single year (I know several dozen people personally who have done it). Henckel was going to miss the season anyway due to injury, but the timing for Mirasola is oddly perfect. I can certainly understand other programs looking at this situation side-eyed.

I don't believe other coaches are afraid to use these rules, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. It's customary for those of the LDS faith, but otherwise can't be too easy to convince someone to take a year or two off from school and sports with little benefit to them...unless there is a financial benefit (which I am still not sure is possible). I'm sitting around watching if this becomes a thing.

NCAA eligibility extension waivers and leaves of absence are processed internally through university compliance departments directly to the NCAA national office. Unless an athlete or their university issues a press release—which usually only happens when an athlete is a high-profile recruit or a prominent starter stepping away—waiver records are protected educational records under federal privacy laws (FERPA).

 

[vhsalum]

Other schools won't use this exemption often because they don't have AA level second or third stringers for the most part. At most programs, backups are backups for a reason, an extra year, especially one without being part of the team, isn't going to turn them into national champions. At Penn State, and even Ok State, some backups are backups because a national champion contender is at the weight.

Name a backup at Iowa that would gain an advantage by taking a season off.

Mocco

 

[Sir Pin Alot]

Willie made a great comment on Baschamania podcast when he referred to PSU as Holy Rollers due their strength in faith and you can't get mad at them when they practice what they preach.

 

[gslachta]

Anyone who didn’t see the Religious Mission exception as a massive loophole wasn’t paying attention. Next will be a military redshirt with the idea/unspoken agreement that you’d only be peeling potatoes or staffing a desk for a few years

Or assigned to Chaplin Corps as enlisted personnel because of religious experience. BTW I don’t know if Cael is Mormon but he is from Utah so I trust Cael to know.

 

[gslachta]

I do wonder a bit how much utility this tool really brings in an age of NIL. Say you're an athlete that isn't particularly religious. Do you really want to spend the better part of a year on a religious mission, which i assume involves foregoing, at least to some degree, the economic opportunities you might have by simply transferring. In short, I wonder this really works only in cases where a kid is reasonably religious.
My observation is that a large number of wrestlers are religious. Seems many of those interviewed after matches will credit God (Jesus).

 

[Corby2]

Well aware that other religions have missions, but can you find an NCAA athlete that took one and (as a result) was able to freeze their eligibility? With a quick Google search, I couldn't, but there are hundreds of LDS ones every single year (I know several dozen people personally who have done it). Henckel was going to miss the season anyway due to injury, but the timing for Mirasola is oddly perfect. I can certainly understand other programs looking at this situation side-eyed.

I don't believe other coaches are afraid to use these rules, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. It's customary for those of the LDS faith, but otherwise can't be too easy to convince someone to take a year or two off from school and sports with little benefit to them...unless there is a financial benefit (which I am still not sure is possible). I'm sitting around watching if this becomes a thing.

Mormon missions as you know are serious and not done to extend eligibility. Neither athlete will be doing a Mormon mission is my understanding. No other religions that I'm aware of have made missions the norm . I'm not aware of any athlete who wasn't Mormon doing a mission.Most understand why it's being done but that doesn't mean the NCAA wants to be fighting about religion in court. As long as the church fills out the proper paperwork the NCAA won't say a word.

 

[Coastal2]

Mocco

A recruit that's never wrestled a college match? If he does great this season, that would be applicable but it isn't currently.

 

[vhsalum]

A recruit that's never wrestled a college match? If he does great this season, that would be applicable but it isn't currently.

It applies. top ten recruit. 2 years to sit behind Keuter.

 

[District 4]

Other schools won't use this exemption often because they don't have AA level second or third stringers for the most part. At most programs, backups are backups for a reason, an extra year, especially one without being part of the team, isn't going to turn them into national champions. At Penn State, and even Ok State, some backups are backups because a national champion contender is at the weight.

Name a backup at Iowa that would gain an advantage by taking a season off.

Or they don't have a culture enveloped in many faith based wrestlers. As willy said this morning you can't ***** about psu wrestlers talking about God all the time and ***** that they take faith based missions

 

[Aardvark86]

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