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[WexfordWarrior]

Cael is....

 

[Misalorales]

"Time spent in active-duty military service, on an official religious mission or in a similar service commitment may be excluded from the five-year period if the student-athlete does not participate in organized competition during that service.

If the student-athlete competes during the service period, the exception does not apply"


* As far as I can tell, Americorps and Peace corps would also qualify for this. As others have stated, mormons don't have a monopoly on missions either.
Also, as far as I can tell, they can work out every day and practice with one another so long as they don't participate in an actual competition.

This is going to get pretty interesting as time goes on and more schools find their work arounds.

 

[HOA242n!]

"Time spent in active-duty military service, on an official religious mission or in a similar service commitment may be excluded from the five-year period if the student-athlete does not participate in organized competition during that service.

If the student-athlete competes during the service period, the exception does not apply"


* As far as I can tell, Americorps and Peace corps would also qualify for this. As others have stated, mormons don't have a monopoly on missions either.
Also, as far as I can tell, they can work out every day and practice with one another so long as they don't participate in an actual competition.

This is going to get pretty interesting as time goes on and more schools find their work arounds.

What are the regulations regarding NIL when these "student"-athletes are taking part in these service projects/missions? Is that something that has even been brought up? I know that LDS missionaries can not, but that is an LDS rule (no active, or passive, income generation allowed), not an NCAA one (as far as I know). If athletes can still get paid while not losing eligibility, it could get wild.

 

[SJP80]

What are the regulations regarding NIL when these "student"-athletes are taking part in these service projects/missions? Is that something that has even been brought up? I know that LDS missionaries can not, but that is an LDS rule (no active, or passive, income generation allowed), not an NCAA one (as far as I know). If athletes can still get paid while not losing eligibility, it could get wild.

oooo, oooo, I love that. A paid religious mission. That would make Hawkeye heads explode.

 

[El_Jefe]

The Iowa board is extremely angry that PSU is "cheating" with Henckel and Cole going on religious missions.

First 6 words sufficed.

 

[vhsalum]

oooo, oooo, I love that. A paid religious mission. That would make Hawkeye heads explode.

Absolutely diabolical. LOL

 

[Corby2]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

 

[El_Jefe]

Morons.

2 non starters this year gone and presumably far far away from the best room in the world that helps them get better. Likewise PSU just lost some key depth in car of injury.

I would think there is little doubt they will come back with their work cut out for them to get back to where they were, let alone even better.

Let's have Aaron Brooks prove me wrong as the first test case.

Cael certainly teaches that life is much bigger than wrestling alone. There is a lot of good work these two can do while away. Maybe their mission will take them past Iowa where spreading a little more gratitude and joy is sorely needed.

Ummm ...

Though "car of injury" is a pretty funny typo. I think that belonged to Ferrari.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

That's a pretty spot on analogy

 

[Aardvark86]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

I do wonder a bit how much utility this tool really brings in an age of NIL. Say you're an athlete that isn't particularly religious. Do you really want to spend the better part of a year on a religious mission, which i assume involves foregoing, at least to some degree, the economic opportunities you might have by simply transferring. In short, I wonder this really works only in cases where a kid is reasonably religious.

 

[Corby2]

I do wonder a bit how much utility this tool really brings in an age of NIL. Say you're an athlete that isn't particularly religious. Do you really want to spend the better part of a year on a religious mission, which i assume involves foregoing, at least to some degree, the economic opportunities you might have by simply transferring. In short, I wonder this really works only in cases where a kid is reasonably religious.

Agree I don't see a kid who doesn't attend church regularly using this rule to get in the line up down the road. But at programs who make religion a big part of what they do it can definitely be beneficial

 

[Cali_Nittany1]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

Haha, I'd love to see the reaction you'd get if you put this on HR.

 

[mcpat]

Let's have Aaron Brooks prove me wrong as the first test case.

Matt Brown says hello

 

[jtothemfp]

I do wonder a bit how much utility this tool really brings in an age of NIL. Say you're an athlete that isn't particularly religious. Do you really want to spend the better part of a year on a religious mission, which i assume involves foregoing, at least to some degree, the economic opportunities you might have by simply transferring. In short, I wonder this really works only in cases where a kid is reasonably religious.

Exactly. Lots of the early reax are all about Cael, but what do the wrestlers want? (something Cael often asserts: 'it's up to them, etc')

Both Henckel and Cole, already church-goers at churches which have some mission programs (spake Cael yesterday), want to wrestle for this team!

H8ers be spewing shite like 'exploit' and 'loophole', lol, muhphuquas, why hasn't your coach been able to buy Cole or Henckel (or Sealey or Desmond or Connor Pierce) *away from PSU?

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Because Brooks has been so far away did you say moron it's actually moran I have heard

Yeah, maybe I am the only one, but despite the claims, I still haven't seen any proof Aaron has even sniffed the room since the ban.

 

[Corby2]

Yeah, maybe I am the only one, but despite the claims, I still haven't seen any proof Aaron has even sniffed the room since the ban.

So you obviously don't talk to anyone you just look for stuff on social media

 

[HOA242n!]

I do wonder a bit how much utility this tool really brings in an age of NIL. Say you're an athlete that isn't particularly religious. Do you really want to spend the better part of a year on a religious mission, which i assume involves foregoing, at least to some degree, the economic opportunities you might have by simply transferring. In short, I wonder this really works only in cases where a kid is reasonably religious.

Obviously a factor, but it also hinges on NIL regulations. I haven't heard whether or not athletes can receive NIL while taking a religious-related mission. If so, they not only get paid for the year(s), but extend their ability to get paid an extra year (or two). I don't know what wrestlers are making with NIL, but for football and basketball players, there is a significant chance that their NIL paychecks are the largest they will ever get in their lifetime. There is zero doubt some guys will feign faith and do some community service for a year or two for a big bag of cash. Guys are suing the NCAA for extra eligibility - with all kinds of wild rationale - because they'll make substantially more being some middling player on a mediocre CFB team then they will with their first jobs in the real world.

On LDS missions you are not allowed to have any active (or passive) income generation. I have seen nothing to suggest that is the case with other religious missions or if the NCAA forbids it. If the NCAA cuts off the cash spigot for that time period, IMO this loophole remains mostly closed.

 

[PSU Mike]

Am I the only one that thinks that this is a direct result of Cael’s frustration with the eligibility chaos, including Levi’s dilemma and Jax training in Stillwater?

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Exactly. Lots of the early reax are all about Cael, but what do the wrestlers want? (something Cael often asserts: 'it's up to them, etc')

Both Henckel and Cole, already church-goers at churches which have some mission programs (spake Cael yesterday), want to wrestle for this team!

H8ers be spewing shite like 'exploit' and 'loophole', lol, muhphuquas, why hasn't your coach been able to buy Cole or Henckel (or Sealey or Desmond or Connor Pierce) *away from PSU?

Bingo.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Certain fan bases cannot understand that wrestlers might have a good reason to go to another school.

 

[El_Jefe]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

Iowa leveling the field:

 

[watoos]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

Instead of "the rest" just say Brands and post it on HR.

 

[Aardvark86]

Obviously a factor, but it also hinges on NIL regulations. I haven't heard whether or not athletes can receive NIL while taking a religious-related mission. If so, they not only get paid for the year(s), but extend their ability to get paid an extra year (or two). I don't know what wrestlers are making with NIL, but for football and basketball players, there is a significant chance that their NIL paychecks are the largest they will ever get in their lifetime. There is zero doubt some guys will feign faith and do some community service for a year or two for a big bag of cash. Guys are suing the NCAA for extra eligibility - with all kinds of wild rationale - because they'll make substantially more being some middling player on a mediocre CFB team then they will with their first jobs in the real world.

On LDS missions you are not allowed to have any active (or passive) income generation. I have seen nothing to suggest that is the case with other religious missions or if the NCAA forbids it. If the NCAA cuts off the cash spigot for that time period, IMO this loophole remains mostly closed.

I think third party nil can continue but not any institutional revenue share. That said, nil generally requires services which may be less feasible during a mission. And as you note, the religious sponsor has a say.

 

[TwoJoints]

Iowa leveling the field:

Back in the day my company signed a contract to purchase a IBM system 36 from a VAR (value added retailer). Back then you couldn’t purchase directly from IBM. You had to be purchasing software from a company which happened to run on an IBM computer. We actually needed the System 36 to run some proprietary software we’d created for our business so, in truth, the VAR’s software was never even going to be loaded on the machine. We ordered the System 36 configured with a 1/4” cartridge tape drive. Strangely, when the VAR called us to finalize delivery the sales agent asked me “What media do you want the calendaring software in?” I responded “Stone Tablets”. There was a long silence which I ultimately had to break by reminding her that the System 36 was being configured with a 1/4” cartridge tape drive so that’s probably how the calendaring software should be delivered too.

 

[Fatwoodchuck]

Back in the day my company signed a contract to purchase a IBM system 36 from a VAR (value added retailer). Back then you couldn’t purchase directly from IBM. You had to be purchasing software from a company which happened to run on an IBM computer. We actually needed the System 36 to run some proprietary software we’d created for our business so, in truth, the VAR’s software was never even going to be loaded on the machine. We ordered the System 36 configured with a 1/4” cartridge tape drive. Strangely, when the VAR called us to finalize delivery the sales agent asked me “What media do you want the calendaring software in?” I responded “Stone Tablets”. There was a long silence which I ultimately had to break by reminding her that the System 36 was being configured with a 1/4” cartridge tape drive so that’s probably how the calendaring software should be delivered too.

Wtf. This sounds way to complicated to be any fun.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

I think third party nil can continue but not any institutional revenue share. That said, nil generally requires services which may be less feasible during a mission. And as you note, the religious sponsor has a say.

The NIL clearing house also has a say and the odds they would approve something viewed as a circumvention of an NCAA rule are also nil.

 

[Corby2]

The NIL clearing house also has a say and the odds they would approve something viewed as a circumvention of an NCAA rule are also nil.

They NIL clearing house may as well be called the learing house everyone already found ways around it

 

[SleepyLion]

The NIL clearing house also has a say and the odds they would approve something viewed as a circumvention of an NCAA rule are also nil.

Would the missionaries even have to be enrolled in school? If not, would the NIL clearing house have any "jurisdiction"?

 

[Aardvark86]

Would the missionaries even have to be enrolled in school? If not, would the NIL clearing house have any "jurisdiction"?

Actually I thought they couldn’t be enrolled, and was wondering about that too.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Would the missionaries even have to be enrolled in school? If not, would the NIL clearing house have any "jurisdiction"?

Actually I thought they couldn’t be enrolled, and was wondering about that too.

They are banned from being enrolled. So you are right. It would not even be considered NIL at that point. Someone on HR who is a LDS said the church bans them from commercial arrangements while on mission. So there is that. Not sure if other denominations have a similar structure.

 

[HikeNatParks]

Always believed God cares more for how a person lives their life than how religious they are. I have to, since I’m not religious at all. That said, I admire and respect those whose faith is an integral part of their lives and am likely just envious not feeling the same.
I want to tell myself these kids found an available time in their lives to do something they always planned to do. Having that availability open up due to not making a starting wrestling lineup doesn’t have to be nefarious, though it will always be seen that way.
I’ve no idea if William or Cole are on this mission solely to game athletic eligibility rules, or if Cael & Co encouraged that angle, but I’m willing to let the God they worship and the wrestling gods pass judgment down the road.

 

[pawrstlersinpa]

I mean... come on. Unless they're taking the actual 2 year Mormon mission - this is pretty crazy.

Not cheating, but redshirting in God's name is wild.

3D Chess. And, oh, have a blessed day.

 

[pawrstlersinpa]

Rumors are swirling that the Mission is running wrestling camps for the unsaved youth of central Pennsylvania. In a twist of irony, camp will be held at M2. Names for the camp are still being discussed, but leading candidates are...

Jesus Saves, But We Shoot Singles
The Fellowship of the Singlet
He Is Risen, You Are Pinned

With The Holy Headlock, Pins for Sins, and Saved by Grace, Pinned by Force also in the running.

 

[BigbucksBob]

Rumors are swirling that the Mission is running wrestling camps for the unsaved youth of central Pennsylvania. In a twist of irony, camp will be held at M2. Names for the camp are still being discussed, but leading candidates are...

Jesus Saves, But We Shoot Singles
The Fellowship of the Singlet
He Is Risen, You Are Pinned

With The Holy Headlock, Pins for Sins, and Saved by Grace, Pinned by Force also in the running.

Told compliance my guys were working with one of the dance around with rattlesnakes churches and their mission was somewhere else in WV. They weren’t buying it at first, but then Terry showed up at the meeting and made it seem feasible. Meanwhile I have them living in Sammy Brooks’ van in the Carver parking lot.

 

[trufan]

If other programs don't start doing this they will just fall further behind. It's a rule USE it. You either evolve with the times or you get left behind.
Cael has STARLINK
DT has dial up
The rest are using typewriters

I once saw Manning using hand signals in the Jordan Center.

 

[El_Jefe]

Rumors are swirling that the Mission is running wrestling camps for the unsaved youth of central Pennsylvania. In a twist of irony, camp will be held at M2. Names for the camp are still being discussed, but leading candidates are...

Jesus Saves, But We Shoot Singles
The Fellowship of the Singlet
He Is Risen, You Are Pinned

With The Holy Headlock, Pins for Sins, and Saved by Grace, Pinned by Force also in the running.

He Is Risen, You Are Technically Fallen?

 

[PSUbluTX]

Rumors are swirling that the Mission is running wrestling camps for the unsaved youth of central Pennsylvania. In a twist of irony, camp will be held at M2. Names for the camp are still being discussed, but leading candidates are...

Jesus Saves, But We Shoot Singles
The Fellowship of the Singlet
He Is Risen, You Are Pinned

With The Holy Headlock, Pins for Sins, and Saved by Grace, Pinned by Force also in the running.

I heard they were called to serve among the more primitive folk in the less hospitable environs of Iowa City. Serving those in greatest need is surely the holier calling and greater sacrifice.

 

[nerfstate]

And on the 24th page of the thread, God finished the work that he had done, unfolding the funniest stretches of posts imaginable, and he rested on the 24th page from all the work that he had done.

 

[mcpat]

Ironbird is something

 

[5q]

Good luck getting your recruiter to actually follow through with that!

1 year mission to play Call of Duty, i can see it now