I love coaching searches, but we have to face reality

[greenbean.sixpack]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

 

[Bulldawg77]

No, the best move is to move on from Lebby

 

[8dog]

I think the odds of Kamario staying healthy all year are pretty low

 

[Indndawg]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

Did Lebby suddenly grow a brain over 2027? No its time to quit wish casting and face the truth. Keenum/Salmon screwed the pooch on this hire. Make the best hire possible. THEN go all in.

 

[patdog]

I think the odds of Kamario staying healthy all year are pretty low

He’s been healthy for 6 starts in his career. He’s ended 4 of them healthy & sustained 2 long term injuries in the other 2. If we run it back it’s likely to be more of the same.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

He’s been healthy for 6 starts in his career. He’s ended 4 of them healthy & sustained 2 long term injuries in the other 2. If we run it back it’s likely to be more of the same.

Yes, I realize this, but how often are we going to have a chance at a Hiesman, and that person be a longtime State fan and home town guy who will rep State for the rest of his life? We have to roll dice.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Yes, I realize this, but how often are we going to have a chance at a Hiesman, and that person be a longtime State fan and home town guy who will rep State for the rest of his life? We have to roll dice.

So a life long state fan and a guy that’s going to make millions by staying at state is sooo tied to a coach that if said coach leaves he will leave?? That’s what’s this fan base is afraid of??? You don’t think we can keep Taylor if we fire Lebby? You don’t think a new coach would be able to recruit Taylor and family to stay? Since when did Taylor and Lebby become one?

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Bring in a good coach and Kamario is much more likely to win the Heisman here.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

Yes, I realize this, but how often are we going to have a chance at a Hiesman, and that person be a longtime State fan and home town guy who will rep State for the rest of his life? We have to roll dice.

I don't see KT winning a Heisman under Lebby. For three years Lebby has fielded an O-Line that makes it virtually impossible for a QB to stay healthy all season. Also, deficiencies elsewhere on the team create a situation where the QB has to win every single game, which is why we are 0 - 5 since KT went down. The best chance for KT to win a Heisman is with the right new coach and the best thing for our program is cutting bait now.

 

[Maroon13]

Also the reality is State is NOT likely to replace Lebby with a sitting HC. History shows that just doesn't happen for State. All these names being thrown around.... ain't happening. Leach is the exception and he was old and had been passed over by other sec schools years prior. State is most likely to hire another reluctant assistant.

So I agree with you. he is here now, he won with Taylor to begin the year, may as well run it back. Also reduce the buyout for next year.

Steve says the full buyout for the coaching staff is $17million btw. Lebby's portion is $6.75 on December 1.

 

[patdog]

Yes, I realize this, but how often are we going to have a chance at a Hiesman, and that person be a longtime State fan and home town guy who will rep State for the rest of his life? We have to roll dice.

Where is it written in stone that if we fire Lebby, Kamario will transfer? Where is it written that if we keep Lebby he won't transfer for that matter?

 

[patdog]

Also the reality is State is NOT likely to replace Lebby with a sitting HC. History shows that just doesn't happen for State. All these names being thrown around.... ain't happening. Leach is the exception and he was old and had been passed over by other sec schools years prior. State is most likely to hire another reluctant assistant.

So I agree with you. he is here now, he won with Taylor to begin the year, may as well run it back. Also reduce the buyout for next year.

Steve says the full buyout for the coaching staff is $17million btw. Lebby's portion is $6.75 on December 1.

Why did we include big buyouts in the contracts of these assistants? I mean, Lebby's a bad coach, but I can understand his buyout, which is pretty low. But these assistants aren't any better.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Also the reality is State is NOT likely to replace Lebby with a sitting HC. History shows that just doesn't happen for State. All these names being thrown around.... ain't happening. Leach is the exception and he was old and had been passed over by other sec schools years prior. State is most likely to hire another reluctant assistant.

So I agree with you. he is here now, he won with Taylor to begin the year, may as well run it back. Also reduce the buyout for next year.

Steve says the full buyout for the coaching staff is $17million btw. Lebby's portion is $6.75 on December 1.

When you start to belive the great floating Rasta man and his band of po ols then you have become the sheep

imagine no longer having sources so you file FOIA weekly. I **** you not… imagine being in the heart of football season and decide to investigate a grade scandal….at a JUCO…. Read that again…

 

[Bulldawg77]

Why did we include big buyouts in the contracts of these assistants? I mean, Lebby's a bad coach, but I can understand his buyout, which is pretty low. But these assistants aren't any better.

SOP with one year deals. This multi year deals other than ZA will drop to one year jan 1. So we can lump sum them. It’s closer 13MM with the offsets of Lebbys deal. That’s peanuts for this day and age

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Also the reality is State is NOT likely to replace Lebby with a sitting HC. History shows that just doesn't happen for State. All these names being thrown around.... ain't happening. Leach is the exception and he was old and had been passed over by other sec schools years prior. State is most likely to hire another reluctant assistant.

So I agree with you. he is here now, he won with Taylor to begin the year, may as well run it back. Also reduce the buyout for next year.

Steve says the full buyout for the coaching staff is $17million btw. Lebby's portion is $6.75 on December 1.

Why would we expect it to be cheaper to fire Lebby in the future? We're not giving him a new contract with a low buyout. It would just be kicking the can down the road.

 

[GloryDawg]

So a life long state fan and a guy that’s going to make millions by staying at state is sooo tied to a coach that if said coach leaves he will leave?? That’s what’s this fan base is afraid of??? You don’t think we can keep Taylor if we fire Lebby? You don’t think a new coach would be able to recruit Taylor and family to stay? Since when did Taylor and Lebby become one?

I have a hard time imaging him leaving.

 

[patdog]

I have a hard time imaging him leaving.

Gut feeling, I think he's back whatever we do with Lebby. But nothing would surprise me too much these days.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Why would we expect it to be cheaper to fire Lebby in the future? We're not giving him a new contract with a low buyout. It would just be kicking the can down the road.

There is no basis to being him back. Nothing is good in the program right now

 

[ckDOG]

I think the odds of Kamario staying healthy all year are pretty low

And lower with Lebby given past history and the quality of offensive line he gives us.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Gut feeling, I think he's back whatever we do with Lebby. But nothing would surprise me too much these days.

He’s a 20 year old kid so I’m sure the emotions will get to him. Hes an intelligent young man and can understand that it’s a business and in this situation tough decisions have to be made. He will be more than well compensated here. Also, it’s not like we fire Lebby on Monday and he enters the portal. The portal doesn’t open until Jan 4-13. You have a month to let the new staff recruit him. Plus if we are smart and I’m assuming we are his deal isn’t tied to a coach but tied to the Rev share. That means a huge chunk would have to be paid out by the other school .

 

[gtowndawg]

Or, and hear me out, we bring in a good coach, KT is a Heisman contender, we go to playoffs and then the new coach uses that as a springboard to keep us competitive in 2028. Brilliant!

 

[Right_Field_Heckler]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

So your expectation is to have 1 good season out 5?

 

[Drebin]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

You think a Jeff Lebby-coached team is going to make the playoff?

 

[Drebin]

Steve says the full buyout for the coaching staff is $17million btw. Lebby's portion is $6.75 on December 1.

If Steve knows anything, he also should have reported that those buyouts have mitigations. Most of the staff will get jobs elsewhere. So 17M isn't the number.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I think the odds of Kamario staying healthy all year are pretty low

That's silly, he was hurt twice in HS because he had to run it a ton, and nothing major. But, this whole thread is weird *** assumptions, so I assume Lebby is back barring losing to Tech, we have a massive bank roll that we rework both lines with and we sign a top HS QB and a better backup, the team is a legit contender for a run in the playoffs and nobody is bitching about anything. Then again, Lebby could lose out and we have to blow all our money to retain players, sign some Sunbeltesque coach to a stupid contract, and get more of the same. Give me that first scenario because pulling a P4 head coach is really, really hard to do.

 

[Tractorman]

As I stated in another post, you go ask Kamario about the 2 scenarios. If he says I'm only staying if Lebby is here, we roll with it, without an extension, and reevaluate after the season. If he says I'm all Dawg, you look to see who is interested. It is pretty simple in this case. K1 is a generational talent and you include his thoughts in this decision.

We shouldn't be in a situation of hoping one way or another. Just go ask the man and if he is willing to stay regardless, sign the NIL. There is no other scenario for this year, end of debate.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

We're already putting out feelers if we're considering a possible change & we'll go through a group to handle that to talk to agents

 

[QuaoarsKing]

If Kamario says he's quitting if we fire Lebby, we should fire Lebby and spend the next 2 months convincing Kamario to stay after all.

The program's job is to convince people, not to accept their first reaction as unmovable.

As I stated in another post, you go ask Kamario about the 2 scenarios. If he says I'm only staying if Lebby is here, we roll with it, without an extension, and reevaluate after the season. If he says I'm all Dawg, you look to see who is interested. It is pretty simple in this case. K1 is a generational talent and you include his thoughts in this decision.

We shouldn't be in a situation of hoping one way or another. Just go ask the man and if he is willing to stay regardless, sign the NIL. There is no other scenario for this year, end of debate.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

You think a Jeff Lebby-coached team is going to make the playoff?

Yep we'll go 7-5 or 8-4 and just miss it, book it

And 2-10 in 2028

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Yep we'll go 7-5 or 8-4 and just miss it, book it

And 2-10 in 2028

And you support bringing Lebby back anyway?

 

[woozman]

LIQL will be back, with KT1. We will make the 24 team playoff and KT1 will be a heisman contender. Then we'll go 4-8 i 2028 and be looking for a new coach in November.

That's probably the best move honestly. We should be set up for 2027, push all chips in and make a playoff/heisman run. How may opportunities will we have to win a heisman?

You’re more than likely correct. But one thing you didn’t mention was that if we roll it back, make the 24 team playoff and KT is a Heisman contender - we would extend Lebby and give him a raise and then really be 17ed the following year…

 

[patdog]

That's silly, he was hurt twice in HS because he had to run it a ton, and nothing major. But, this whole thread is weird *** assumptions, so I assume Lebby is back barring losing to Tech, we have a massive bank roll that we rework both lines with and we sign a top HS QB and a better backup, the team is a legit contender for a run in the playoffs and nobody is bitching about anything. Then again, Lebby could lose out and we have to blow all our money to retain players, sign some Sunbeltesque coach to a stupid contract, and get more of the same. Give me that first scenario because pulling a P4 head coach is really, really hard to do.

Well sure, I'll take that first scenario in a freaking heartbeat. It's completely unrealistic and will never happen, but heck yeah, if we actually could get that scenario, I'm 100% down for it. Back in the real world, it's time to bring in the best G6 or FCS head coach we can and turn the program over to him. He'll have the same bankroll Lebby would and can't do much worse with it than Lebby did this year.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

And you support bringing Lebby back anyway?

I'm OK with taking a shot, I mean we can't get any worse

We already wasted 2018 and 2023

 

[L4Dawg]

I'll give you some more reality. When/if we fire Lebby we will in all likelihood be forced to overpay for another coordinator who has never been a head coach. It will be a total crap shoot that could be better, the same, or worse.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I'm OK with taking a shot, I mean we can't get any worse

We already wasted 2018 and 2023

That sounds like the argument to make the change. Can't possibly be any worse, but maybe a better coach + Kamario means a deep playoff run.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I'll give you some more reality. When/if we fire Lebby we will in all likelihood be forced to overpay for another coordinator who has never been a head coach. It will be a total crap shoot that could be better, the same, or worse.

If we specifically targeted a 55+, experienced, successful head coach, that does what we apparently want to do, I guarantee you we would land one.

But we won't, because we have no plan, aren't clear about what we want to do, and are too busy trying to hire a 'name' like we're some blue blood.

So at the end of the day I agree with you. But not because you know what you're talking about.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

That sounds like the argument to make the change. Can't possibly be any worse, but maybe a better coach + Kamario means a deep playoff run.

I think you're on crack if you believe Taylor will be back if we have a coaching change. No way all those moving parts go in our favor. The only thing we know for sure, is that Debby and Taylor smoked everybody with ease in September. I'm willing to roll with that.

 

[8dog]

That's silly, he was hurt twice in HS because he had to run it a ton, and nothing major. But, this whole thread is weird *** assumptions, so I assume Lebby is back barring losing to Tech, we have a massive bank roll that we rework both lines with and we sign a top HS QB and a better backup, the team is a legit contender for a run in the playoffs and nobody is bitching about anything. Then again, Lebby could lose out and we have to blow all our money to retain players, sign some Sunbeltesque coach to a stupid contract, and get more of the same. Give me that first scenario because pulling a P4 head coach is really, really hard to do.

He has had 7 starts at 2 major surgeries in college. I’m not telling anyone to run him off. Just laying out the odds

 

[patdog]

I'll give you some more reality. When/if we fire Lebby we will in all likelihood be forced to overpay for another coordinator who has never been a head coach. It will be a total crap shoot that could be better, the same, or worse.

Here's some reality. We can and will hire a better coach than Lebby, whether it's this year, next year or even the year after. And it is not a question of if, it's a question of when. Literally every coach we've had in the last 50 years is better than him except Croom and Felker. And even those two are debatable.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I think you're on crack if you believe Taylor will be back if we have a coaching change. No way all those moving parts go in our favor. The only thing we know for sure, is that Debby and Taylor smoked everybody with ease in September. I'm willing to roll with that.

Did they "smoke everyone with ease" or did they need second half comebacks to beat mid teams like South Carolina and Missouri?