All on X in one thread, lol.
You are wrong again. Try reading instead of emotionally reacting. Politi is a fool and a tool of hate.Wrong
Al is also way older than that guy in the pic.That's not Al. Beer belly is way too small.
Funny, but trueThat's not Al. Beer belly is way too small.
A lot of executives think they're smarter than they really are. Preaching a winning culture needs to extend beyond saying "don't be afraid to win". That's like telling depressed people to just think happy thoughts.I appreciate Tates response BUT it falls on deaf ears. Since he took office he has preached winning culture and accountability. Today’s decision shows neither . Keep your tweets until you stop lying to the University and Alumni.
There are a few things that are fan facing numbers and the real numbers- What Aaron and Tate are showing- tell the story of why we are going to keep Greg around. And these are real numbers...but, I do not believe they are the true numbers behind the closed doors. Those are the numbers that create the narrative for the rest of us.
NIL and roster money are a constant...that is the same if Greg is here or not- throw that number out. It should have nothing to do with this decision- and quite honestly, we will have more roster money if we make a great hire and less if Greg has another crappy year after this 2-3 win season.
Buyout numbers- that is the initial number- and as these guys start getting jobs out there, that number drastically reduces. New staff- it will not be as large and I bet we go with more of an up and comer who will be more around half of Greg's current salary.
And if we are doing nothing- a half empty stadium and parking lots are going to cost us close to $10 mil lost revenue annually.
There are a few things that are fan facing numbers and the real numbers- What Aaron and Tate are showing- tell the story of why we are going to keep Greg around. And these are real numbers...but, I do not believe they are the true numbers behind the closed doors. Those are the numbers that create the narrative for the rest of us.
NIL and roster money are a constant...that is the same if Greg is here or not- throw that number out. It should have nothing to do with this decision- and quite honestly, we will have more roster money if we make a great hire and less if Greg has another crappy year after this 2-3 win season.
Buyout numbers- that is the initial number- and as these guys start getting jobs out there, that number drastically reduces. New staff- it will not be as large and I bet we go with more of an up and comer who will be more around half of Greg's current salary.
And if we are doing nothing- a half empty stadium and parking lots are going to cost us close to $10 mil lost revenue annually.
100%
To go further on the "2027 New Staff $30m" fake number AP and Tate are citing.
2027 staff is a sunk cost.
Similar to NIL/Roster money - its not like keeping Schiano means a $0 2027 staff.
The staff cost will be there with or without Schiano.
It literally is only a $28m (and likely less) decision.
Every other $ cited is a sunk cost.
Its just the buyout + any additonal staff cost above Schiano 2027 staff.
It’s actually embarrassing and a little distressing that the University President is putting out such a seemingly ignorant tweet.
Exactly. But one thing I don’t agree with is the 28mm number. There is not a single person on staff with a multi year contract that has the ability to sit out for the remainder of their contract. The defensive guys brought in ( which make up most of the longer term contracts) will have offsets. They are young and need to be employed to stay relevant. Kirk and Brock have 1 year remaining and they are more than likely the only ones that won’t be as attractive as candidates due to age. Shaw also has another year and will be a hot commodity. So will be offset. Only contracts that would have no offset would be Schiano.100%
To go further on the "2027 New Staff $30m" fake number AP and Tate are citing.
2027 staff is a sunk cost.
Similar to NIL/Roster money - its not like keeping Schiano means a $0 2027 staff.
The staff cost will be there with or without Schiano.
It literally is only a $28m (and likely less) decision.
Every other $ cited is a sunk cost.
Its just the buyout + any additonal staff cost above Schiano 2027 staff.
Its actually embarrassing and a little distressing that the University President is putting out such a seemingly ignorant tweet.
It's the buyout money. In the NIL age our recruiting disadvantages (campus, facilities, lack of winning history) are nullified making the job more attractive, assuming the NIL money is there.exactly, it’s not an $83MM problem. That’s nonsense. As you say, NIL and coaching staff salary is a constant. The buyout money and I think a feeling that this job is incredibly unattractive meaning that a replacement will be difficult to find are the drivers.
That's because its not Al, it's Aaron.Al is also way older than that guy in the pic.
People don't realize Al and Aaron are two different individuals? They are completely different, and they are the same in that they are both Rutgers homers, which is not a bad thing.That's because its not Al, it's Aaron.
On the money, that's where we are. However you describe it, we don't have enough to take that big of a bite.
That said, I like having the LSU tag-team on board. They moved up the NIL money for this year, and I'd like to see how high they can get it. It doesn't happen right away, but if they can build it, we can swallow salaries like this in the future (though I hope we don't need to). The money-raising has improved. They basically started at zero. We have to give it some time to continue to keep improving it.
And as much as I find Al entertaining, it's not the fans on these sites and most of them at the games that will make the difference. It will be bigger donors and sponsors. If and when the LSU tag-team continue to line them up, we can make some moves on players and, if need be, coaches. If that happens, then I think the money from those like the fans on these sites and throughout the stands will increase significantly too.
That's the most likely way for it to happen.
People don't realize Al and Aaron are two different individuals? They are completely different, and they are the same in that they are both Rutgers homers, which is not a bad thing.
On Aaron's post, people have to realize that Pres. Tate and Keli Zinn would have been swimming against the tide with the buyout cost "narrative" whether the numbers were pumped up or not. NJ.com and the politicians would have been swarming like sharks with blood in the water destroying Rutgers with their wasteful spending on football narratives. It's one or the other (1) Rutgers is stupid to keep Schiano and is not serious about football; or (2) Rutgers football is sinking further into an already enormous debt.
The decision stinks for us fans. It's terrible. I don't like it, but I understand it. But there would have been consequences to the buyout as well that could have set us back.
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To go further on the "2027 New Staff $30m" fake number AP and Tate are citing.
2027 staff is a sunk cost.
Similar to NIL/Roster money - its not like keeping Schiano means a $0 2027 staff.
The staff cost will be there with or without Schiano.
It literally is only a $28m (and likely less) decision.
Every other $ cited is a sunk cost.
Its just the buyout + any additonal staff cost above Schiano 2027 staff.
Its actually embarrassing and a little distressing that the University President is putting out such a seemingly ignorant tweet.
Agree with you and @NickRU714 --there are dueling narratives, and either way, Rutgers would come out looking bad, as I laid out above. I don't like the decision, don't agree with it, but I understand it. Live to fight another day with more donor money in pocket, hopefully. . . .I laid this out a while ago in some other thread.....
Cost/Impact of Change:
- negative $17.3M buyout for GS
- minus - cost of new HC Salary
- plus - the net of removing Greg's Staff and adding the new staff (guessing this will be a plus due to the current bloated staff situation)
- plus - potential revenue increase based on attendance bump from the optimism that comes with a new HC
- plus - revenue increase for concessions / parking etc from the attendance bump
- plus - likely revenue increase from donations bump with optimism of a new HC
So why do you keep mentioning it when all of us already realize it.Great to have a President that cares this much about athletics, even if we don’t have the money. It’s become very clear. No one believes in Schiano. This was purely a monetary decision.
Good analysis IMO. I am OK with this decision, but I would have been Ok with the opposite one as well. The truth is there are no decisions here that are guaranteed winners, and we have to hope the one they picked is the best path.The only way it would have worked from a financial PR perspective is if a booster(s) paid the buyout. SL would have a field day otherwise and NJ is already very hostile to its flagship school. The poor boosters would suffer a similar fate.
Keli and staff are doing great work on the athletics financials. 26 will be better. 27 will be a lot better. The department paying the buy out would have put that work in jeopardy.
It’s a terrible situation and without booster funds this is the most prudent move for the dept and school as a whole, as sad as it is.
All of us don't realize it.So why do you keep mentioning it when all of us already realize it.
They spin it like this because they know there is a large portion of media and as you can see- fans, who have no clue how real business numbers work.100%
To go further on the "2027 New Staff $30m" fake number AP and Tate are citing.
2027 staff is a sunk cost.
Similar to NIL/Roster money - its not like keeping Schiano means a $0 2027 staff.
The staff cost will be there with or without Schiano.
It literally is only a $28m (and likely less) decision.
Every other $ cited is a sunk cost.
Its just the buyout + any additonal staff cost above Schiano 2027 staff.
Its actually embarrassing and a little distressing that the University President is putting out such a seemingly ignorant tweet.
Remember when you were stating who the interim coach would be threads when actual smart people like superfan were telling you he wouldn't be fired for the very reason you have finally realized.All of us don't realize it.
It’s a charade.If we aren’t serious about being competitive in Football than drop down altogether.I appreciate Tates response BUT it falls on deaf ears. Since he took office he has preached winning culture and accountability. Today’s decision shows neither . Keep your tweets until you stop lying to the University and Alumni.
Again more lies from Al. I never said anyone would definitively be the interim coach. I offered options. Continuously telling lies from your burner accounts isn't helping your cause here.Remember when you were stating who the interim coach would be threads when actual smart people like superfan were telling you he wouldn't be fired for the very reason you have finally realized.
Shows there is no plan or desire to fix the problem. He hopes what fans are left will just keep spending money. Embarrassing direction for a B1G Football team .100%
To go further on the "2027 New Staff $30m" fake number AP and Tate are citing.
2027 staff is a sunk cost.
Similar to NIL/Roster money - its not like keeping Schiano means a $0 2027 staff.
The staff cost will be there with or without Schiano.
It literally is only a $28m (and likely less) decision.
Every other $ cited is a sunk cost.
Its just the buyout + any additonal staff cost above Schiano 2027 staff.
Its actually embarrassing and a little distressing that the University President is putting out such a seemingly ignorant tweet.
I laid this out a while ago in some other thread.....
Cost/Impact of Change:
- negative $17.3M buyout for GS
- minus - cost of new HC Salary
- plus - the net of removing Greg's Staff and adding the new staff (guessing this will be a plus due to the current bloated staff situation)
- plus - potential revenue increase based on attendance bump from the optimism that comes with a new HC
- plus - revenue increase for concessions / parking etc from the attendance bump
- plus - likely revenue increase from donations bump with optimism of a new HC
It’s a charade.If we aren’t serious about being competitive in Football than drop down altogether.
My guess is we're talked about like the Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates ... we're happy to take a cut of the money and get our asses kicked by the Yankees and Dodgers every year.Somebody else said it best, we can’t afford to live in the nice neighborhood but try to fake it. I can only imagine the things that are said about Rutgers behind closed doors amongst big ten leadership.
Somebody else said it best, we can’t afford to live in the nice neighborhood but try to fake it. I can only imagine the things that are said about Rutgers behind closed doors amongst big ten leadership.
They say, “thank God for Rutgers. We need somebody to lose games.” You can’t have a top half of the conference without a bottom half.Somebody else said it best, we can’t afford to live in the nice neighborhood but try to fake it. I can only imagine the things that are said about Rutgers behind closed doors amongst big ten leadership.
I hear that but my thing is, why else would they keep this guy as the coach if it's not about money? If the options are between 1. there not being enough money 2.they think schiano is a good coach, just had two bad years 3.they don't care either way and just want to keep fans in interested enough to spendThey spin it like this because they know there is a large portion of media and as you can see- fans, who have no clue how real business numbers work.
Add in- the NIL numbers- they most likely go down with this decision where a new coach may have actually had them go up a bit. And attendance- I even look at it a little more in depth too - that less than half full stadium against Michigan. If this was 2 years ago and we only had 15k of our fans show- Michigan would have filled most of those seats for us. This year- even their fans didnt care to come out to watch that game.
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